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Ninja nuns with rifles and katanas..

posted 9 years ago by Hut_Syndrom
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I just know that somewhere before they started the production there was a script reading and someone said "mmm.. we already used the g.i joe soldiers in some of the previous movies so how can we make it more interesting?", after zombies, robots, mutants and isis were pitched someone came up with this ridiculous idea.
Perhaps the nuns exist in the source material, but I can't tell since I stopped following the comics somewhere between 52 to Batman RIP because I felt it became too fictitious and unreadable.

Last year I wrote on Jay Olivia's IMDB profile blaming him for creating crap Batman movies, to my surprise he answered and I felt a big shame. Then I answered and told him that he has a dream job that I can only dream of and he should use it to execute his vision rather than doing washed down movies. Jay was kind enough to answer again and he wrote "I don't write the movies I work on nor do I have any control what they are based on. I am an employee of WB animation and I get whatever they assign me.....I am just the Director and I have no say in the design of these shows......don't kid yourself that I have all this so called "Power".

Then I realized that the animated comics directors are going through the same production hell as the live action comics films directors. Jay I am sorry! I have nothing against what you do and how you do it and I believe that I can understand the kind of pressure you are working under.

But eventually, somebody thought that having ninja nuns with rifles is a good idea. He also thought that they will add up nicely to Black Mask, Firefly, Blockbuster, Tusk, The Mad Hatter, Jervis Tetch, Electrocutioner etc... All those names and the stupid villains who stand behind them (and the ninja nuns) are just a proof to how ridiculous the DCU had become.

It seems that DCU today looking is much more Sci-Fi friendly and the storytelling level is based in the comfortable PG13 zone.
I don't know how many decision makers up there in WB actually love comics, I feel that they just want to create more bullshi$ character in order to sell more merchandise.
Personally, I don't think it is a good movie, neither the previous Batman animated movies of the past couple of years.
Even Batman: The Dark Knight Returns didn't reach halfway of it's potential. It wasn't a bad movie but it could have been great as an R-rated movie (and with better casting).
There are very few untouched gems left in Batman published history and I wish that at least one of them ((Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth) ) will get a proper treatment because anything less than R rated will be waste of digital ink.

[–] Otaku-sempai 9 years ago

Batman: The Dark Knight Returns was pretty faithful to the source material. I guess you were disappointed that the Joker's cotton candy booth wasn't surrounded by dead boy scouts.

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[–] Hut_Syndrom 9 years ago

Thanks for the sarcasm.
In fact I grew tired with seeing/reading the same guys over and over again and wish that they will kill off most of the villains.
Not only that they are ridiculous and irrelevant (perhaps Batman as well) but the fact that they always resurrect somehow and Batman and co. keep fighting them while the GCPD is quite helpless make you wonder what the hell is Batman good for, if he can't keep their menace away from the streets.

[–] Otaku-sempai 9 years ago

Not so much sarcastic as genuinely curious how you think the adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns could have been much more faithful. I didn't expect (although I did have hope) that Romano would get Letterman and Paul Shaffer to voice David Endocrine and his sidekick.

Frank Miller's story (as well as the movie) actually does deal with your complaint about endlessly recycled villains.

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[–] Palidan400 9 years ago

I agree with your thoughts. I'm pretty disappointed by basically all of DC's animated work (besides the few gems here and there) over these past few years. I hate to criticize, as like you said, a lot of times it's not necessarily the creators' faults and they don't have much say, but it feels like the writing they put out for their recent animated films are something from a 10-year-old still living in the 90s. So many cliches, insane and ridiculous set-ups just for the sake of "cool, flashy" fights, etc.

They have great moments at times when they ground it down and get a bit more serious, but it's just surrounded by so much... craziness that doesn't make any sense at all. Things just happen for the sake of plot convenience and to allow the next fight to occur.

There's nothing wrong with looking to Batman's extended universe, but I feel they just go too over the top. I loved Under The Red Hood, NOT because "it had the Joker" in it, but because they kept focused and grounded throughout. It seems like nowadays, Batman's always just about awesome fights, but a huge aspect of him is forgotten - him being a detective.

And of course, it's not always about Batman. But even when the DC animated films now are about other characters, I find them just too over the top. Yet people still love and praise them and feed into it, so they will continue...

[–] Hut_Syndrom 9 years ago

I think that the contemporary version of Batman both in comics and in animated universe became inhuman in every possible aspect.
It has been years now that most of the training, detective work, socializing etc.. are made 99% out of the story, his database is so big that it makes the real secret secret agencies look like a bunch of kids playing spies.
His healing time (if he ever gets seriously injured) is pretty much as fast as Captain America and his strength is out of his world. Even his suit got upgraded and now he is more of an Iron-Man than Bat-man.
Batman/Bruce hardly faces any real conflicts anymore, and if he does they get sorted out quite easily.
Perhaps there is nothing else to tell about Batman (it applies to the other superhero as well). All the characters have been overused and eventually despite everything the villain will come back no matter what.

You can blame it on the fact that he is a "regular" human being in a world where every 3rd person has superpowers. What makes him DC's version of black widow in the battle of New York.
Or you can say it's the result of the fact he carries the weight of 76 years of stories and on the same time his universe doesn't change that much. Every possible story was told in this way or another many times.

If you will try to argue with people here you will get the same answer "because i'm Batman" other people will say 'haters gonna hate' which is the lamest way to say 'I will disagree with whatever you are going to say, because no matter what is your arguments I am right about everything'.

I wish that the executives who are in charge of Werner-DC had an open door policy. I would have pitched R rated comics movies. Enough with the under-developed characters, relationships and violence. I mean just look at all the fuss around Deadpool (ok I am not sure how much character development will be there) but I am sure it will be a critical and financial success. Kids are going to watch it either way and when they will try to integrate DP as part of the MCU, they will realize that the universe that they created is just too self-righteous and unrealistic.

[–] Palidan400 9 years ago

Yeah, good way of looking at it. With so much done already on Batman, I feel like DC at this point just thinks the only way of improving is by going up, by making everything crazier. When going and keeping down can sometimes be a great way to re-stabilize the character.

I don't like Deadpool in the comics (actually he's one of my least favorite characters) for the same reason... they just keep making his character and storylines go up and increase in insanity.

And yeah, it's ridiculous that people will just call you a hater for any criticism. I mean, truth be told, Batman is my favorite comic book character of all time. It's because I love his character so much that I criticize, as I want his stories to be great. And not just him of course, but all the work from DC's animated films. Oh well. Hopefully it improves.

[–] Kent_Kainer 9 years ago

I wish they'd dump the comics as source (haven't read a single one, not my media) and think of something adultish for the movies, the ones that are not meant to be kiddie stuff.
In general I don't mind their merchandising shows aka kid shows. If it's not the only choice.

No monsters, no inhumane strength or other dumb features and gadgets (when I saw the Batwing suit I loled, looked like Tony Stark did it), no talking animals, no inhumane freaks.

Just normal humans with their struggles, their problems, their private lives, rather common crimes. Maybe a little conspiracy, but pls nothing ridiculous.

Concentrate on a good character driven story with depth (and not convenient events). No random shallow ppl getting thrown in and out.

Originally I liked Batman (and nobody else) because he was a mere human doing his best utilising his money for both Batman and Bruce Wayne. For the good. Not always successful but be the secret hero for the little guy.

Nowadays stories just resolve about ridiculous fights among silly freak characters. World domination or destruction, those stories circle.

Who's Bruce Wayne anyway?
Shows today only show Batman. Not his troubled double life.

And to be fair, in many shows Batman has been made humanly impossible too. Like in the Justice League series. He's not just a good detective... he is _the_ detective. A mastermind nobody questions. He knows more than anybody else and is prepared for just almost everything. +Unlimited money.
They probably made him like that to counter the lack of super powers most in the league have, but it's ridiculous too.

Actually I liked the anime story of Batman where some kids meet up and have exciting stories to tell, each of them saw a fight of Batman and in their vision he was once a robot, once a real bat-man (animallike) and once a moving, creepy shadow.
And as the fight continues to where the kids are chatting, the fourth boy sees Batman too... but what he sees is a man in a costume, hurt from the fight. Bleeding and tired. He helps him, Batman thanks him.

That dvd has some other short stories too I liked a lot.
Also I liked Batman Year One - or something. Even when it was Gordon year one ^^

As for this movie... the only normal person was Dick Grayson. I start to like him and start to dislike the rest.
Damien is even beyond discussion. If he'd turn out as an android, I'd say: that explains a lot ^^

P.S.: Those were nunjas! xD

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[–] magemaximus 8 years ago

sounds like shadow warrior 2

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