Kinda shocked so many people have posted so many negative reports about this show. I think it started out strong despite a few unrealistic plot details, and it's been improving steadily. This episode - Wow! Maybe none of you has a family like this, for which you should be eternally grateful, but take it from me, it felt so on target I'm sort of in the midst of a PTSD flashback right now. Very appropriate for just before a family holiday.
Like watching a car crash; you couldn't take your eyes off of it. It really helped me understand why Javier is who he is, but raised another question: Did the tragedy with Santino and the father's ensuing lack of compassion provide the crucible that created a killer, or was his father's nature always within Javier and did this incident provide the means to awaken it? If anything, the dinner seemed to finally bind Letty to Javier without reservation. It was one of the best episodes yet.
I think in general, growing up in an atmosphere where a parent's brutal, murderous acts are public and commonly held to be acceptable can influence a child, obviously. We've seen it throughout history; children repeat attitudes and behaviors they've been taught and witnessed. It's how prejudice is transmitted through the generations ("Teach Your Children" - CSN).
That said, several details argue against that scenario and the genetic one you suggest, especially in this case. First, luckily, not every child is subject to such indoctrination. My parents probably wouldn't ever consider themselves racist; in fact, my mother would be highly insulted by the mere suggestion. But my sister and I grew up hearing the usual buzz words during the 60s and 70s. Still, we instinctively reacted against that whole attitude. It can be done!
Second, I think it was made clear in this episode that while it was generally known what the father had done, it wasn't a subject that was ever spoken about.
Finally, my impression was Javier felt such overwhelming guilt for the death of his favorite brother, magnified by the blame his father piled on him, and was still so young and impressionable, that in his grief compounded by the additional loss of his family, he punished himself and internalized the label of "killler". Of course, his sister was quite correct: that was when he was still a child. He then made a choice to continue killing innocent people, probably because he'd become comfortable earning easy money doing something at which he'd gotten very good. But he obviously has a soft spot for young children: his brother, the child killed by the drunk driver, Letty's son, the son of the guy who hired him to kill his wife over the custody battle. Ultimately, he reluctantly shot the man in self defense (not in a legal "definition" of the term, of course). While I'd never justify the acts of a hitman, taking that out of the equation, Javier is actually a kinder, rather more moral person than Letty, which is what makes their relationship do interesting.
God, that dinner scene made me so mad! Knowing myself, I could never have shown that bastard the respect and restraint Javier achieved, even before his attack. During the accusations, knives would have been thrown, both verbal and actual. And when the rest of the family, especially the mother, simply fell in line and meekly followed the dictator out of the room, abandoning her son yet again?! As a feminist I was livid! And I'm not interested in hearing any cultural or age-related defense *beep* In fact, I believe their motivation was more financial than anything else. Ugh!!!
I should have been more specific and indicated the appropriate "subject" I wanted to correct. If you read for context, that would have been "susceptible to", rather than the one you assumed.
FYI: your comment comes off a tad condescending. I understand the impulse to be bitchy sometimes, but you may want to adjust your aim to attack those who deserve the nastiness. Spraying everyone indiscriminately just earns you negative karma.
Finally, my impression was Javier felt such overwhelming guilt for the death of his favorite brother, magnified by the blame his father piled on him, and was still so young and impressionable, that in his grief compounded by the additional loss of his family, he punished himself and internalized the label of "killler". Of course, his sister was quite correct: that was when he was still a child. He then made a choice to continue killing innocent people, probably because he'd become comfortable earning easy money doing something at which he'd gotten very good. But he obviously has a soft spot for young children: his brother, the child killed by the drunk driver, Letty's son, the son of the guy who hired him to kill his wife over the custody battle. Ultimately, he reluctantly shot the man in self defense (not in a legal "definition" of the term, of course). While I'd never justify the acts of a hitman, taking that out of the equation, Javier is actually a kinder, rather more moral person than Letty, which is what makes their relationship do interesting.
God, that dinner scene made me so mad! Knowing myself, I could never have shown that bastard the respect and restraint Javier achieved, even before his attack. During the accusations, knives would have been thrown, both verbal and actual. And when the rest of the family, especially the mother, simply fell in line and meekly followed the dictator out of the room, abandoning her son yet again?! As a feminist I was livid! And I'm not interested in hearing any cultural or age-related defense *beep* In fact, I believe their motivation was more financial than anything else. Ugh!!!
I agree with most of this. Javier is an adult, and his sister is right, the life he leads is his choice now, but the lack of compassion from his entire family was pretty horrible. Obviously the father is the worst, but the rest stood by and allowed Javier to be exiled and the father to behave the way he did. Family like that is just as culpable, imo.
I actually understand why Javier endured the dinner. He's still that 16 year-old boy looking for his father/family's love and acceptance. Doesn't matter that's he grown, his emotional development in regards to his family has been stunted. He doesn't have the capacity to stand up to them or leave because he was never able to grow with them to do so - instead he's been absent, the reject. So though he's in his 30s now, he hasn't had 20 years of family life to learn how to deal with family.
Glad that Letty stood by him. Their relationship and personalities are so strange, but what a fascinating dynamic. _______________________________________________________________________________ Everyone sees what you seem to be, few know what you really are. -- Machiavelli
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I really didn't get the impression that the rest of the family was willfully rejecting Javier. It felt more like Stockholm Syndrome; the family has lived in a hostage situation for years and the atmosphere of fear that the father has created keeps them from expressing any form of dissent. The cruelest part of it was that the father feigned an attitude of forgiveness and used the family to lure Javier in for one more twist of the knife.
The cruelest part of it was that the father feigned an attitude of forgiveness and used the family to lure Javier in for one more twist of the knife.
Let's not forget knocking his little grandson upside his head with that brutal punch! Little man should've turned around and kicked grandpa right in the nuts! Grandpa might've grudgingly given him some respect for standing up for himself!
It's curious Eva would accept her (killer) father's investment money, but banish Javier from her and her daughters' lives from this point? And what about her other brother? (The one who pulled the gun on her husband at the dinner table?)
It's curious Eva would accept her (killer) father's investment money, but banish Javier from her and her daughters' lives from this point? And what about her other brother? (The one who pulled the gun on her husband at the dinner table?)
I wondered about the brother too - is he just dad's henchman? Does he have a grudge against Javier too?
I figured the rest of the family puts up with crazy dad because he has money. You have to cut your brother out of your life but you get a restaurant or a business in Argentina or a bunch of money.
What kind of PI would out a hit man? Wouldn't you be scared he'd come gunning for you? And, you'd hope a hit man would be more careful about being traced.
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Good comments and points about The Ballad of Little Santino episode: love/hate Lette as we should (she has & does harm to others).
My two questions:
How did the husband of the murdered woman find Javier let alone why would Javier allow himself to be contacted? Makes no real sense but does make dramatic sense.
How did the PI assemble all that information about Javier? How far back does the info go and if he could find it couldn't the police? And if Javier's father really wants to do harm to his son why not turn it over to the police? Javier is in this 30's or 40's: what has he been doing since 16? How long & why did he become a hit man? How many people has he murdered?
What kind of PI would out a hit man? Wouldn't you be scared he'd come gunning for you? And, you'd hope a hit man would be more careful about being traced.
That's exactly what I wondered!!! Javier had been so careful(so we thought). Who was this PI? Jack Bauer? Why would the father even go to the trouble to putting a PI on Javier? I thought Javier was forever "dead" to him because of Santino.
I think the father hired the PI not because he wanted to re-establish contact, but because he saw an opportunity to finally turn the rest of the family against Javier. Yes, he managed to keep him away and control the others financially, but as he admitted, it always galled him that they still felt love and loyalty for him. The brother with the gun probably also was jealous. They say when someone comes face to face with their mortality it puts the important things into perspective, which is why the family believed that he wanted to welcome Javier back into the family. How *beep* up was this man that his heart attack made him even more vindictive?
Oh, I found myself crying through this episode! Yeah there was a little over-the-top telenovela thing going on, but it still got to me. I really do like this show! Alot.
LOL I felt the exact same way. If Letty didn't take him into her arms, I was more than ready to do the job. Juan Diego takes my breath away. Frankly, Letty should put a hit on the old man. I'm sure that half of Argentina wants him dead anyway, so they likely wouldn't trace it back to her.
I thought this was one of the better episodes, and frankly thought it all fit together. Not sure how they did that! But it all made sense.
The sister who owned the restaurant went along with the rest not because it was a choice between her father and Javier, but was a choice between Javier and the whole rest of the family, which is what the father in effect made it.
I also loved the way it seemed like the direction was going to go with Letty screwing up the whole night and then instead it became this contest between the father and Javier with Letty sticking by Javier. Great.
I also loved the episode. It showed how a patriarchal family works and what binds it together - the strong and undoubted patriarch at the top. Great acting!
I can't tell from your comment whether you approve of the whole patriarchal thing. Do you? And does that mean you approve of what this particular patriarch did?
(Coming from a definite matriarchy, I once commented on a first date that the men in my family were incidental. He wrote a song about it.)