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Lipstadt Is Against Holocaust Denial Laws

posted 8 years ago by bloody-3
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Speaking at the Oxford Union Society Deborah Lipstadt stated she is against laws that make holocaust denial a crime.
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/09/14/should-holocaust-denial-be-a-crime-debra-lipstadt-says-no/
I agree. These laws are totalitarian and have no place in a democratic society -
www.ihr.org/news/irving022006.html
http://codoh.com/library/document/688/
There are two sides to every story. By allowing only one point of view it is propaganda at best and indoctrination at worst. If people think the deniers are wrong they should prove it the democratic way with discussion and debate -
https://forum.codoh.com/viewforum.php?f=2
http://codoh.com/library/categories/1167/
However, she is still pushing the false meme that anyone who questions the holocaust is nazi/anti-Semite/racist when this is clearly not the case as there are Jews and people of all nationalities who are doing this -
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6912
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=7630
www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/06/astronomer-and-science-historian-nicholas-kollerstrom-challenges-the-holocaust-industry/
www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/12/occams-razor-destroys-the-holocaust-industry/

[–] RoyWilliamsbeatsCoachK 8 years ago

Yeah you shouldn't go to jail for denying the holocaust, but you also shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone, ever.

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

However, she is still pushing the false meme that anyone who questions the holocaust is nazi/anti-Semite/racist when this is clearly not the case as there are Jews and people of all nationalities who are doing this

So you tried to take another stab at the "but but but there are Jewish Holocaust deniers." And your problem is just the same as before -- you're pointing to the fringe of the fringe of the fringe of the Jewish fringe. Any group that's large enough is going to have (at least) a teeny tiny handful of nutbars and wackjobs. And "Jewish Holocaust denier" is both the definition of "wackjob" and "teeny tiny handful." But anti-Semites have for hundreds of years picked their Favorite Jew to hide their own hatred behind, so you're part of a long, long tradition.

One of the things Lipstadt demonstrated in court was that Holocaust denial was closely associated with far-right racist groups but tries to pretend it's not. You are carrying on as part of that tradition too.

By the way, the site you point to -- Veterans Today -- is a hilarious mess. First headline I read was "UFO destroys Israeli weaponised satellite on the launch pad." This is the quality of scholarship you'd expect from Holocaust deniers.

[–] bloody-3 8 years ago

All of the countries that have holocaust denial laws call themselves "democracies". Since when is it a crime to ask questions in a democracy ? People should have the right to query any aspect of history and that includes the holocaust -
http://questioningtheholocaust.com

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

"a crime to ask questions" -- as if something can't be both a question and hate speech.

[–] indigo942 8 years ago

"as if something can't be both a question and hate speech."

Can you define "hate speech" objectively?

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

An individual can't, by definition. But a society can decide where its lines are drawn and whether Holocaust denial is on the wrong side of it.

[–] bloody-3 8 years ago

Britain which is where the trial took place does not have a specific holocaust denial law. But that didn't stop 2 men from being imprisoned over cartoons which mocked the more outlandish holocaust claims.
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2015/01/cartoon-blasphemy-of-holocaustianity.html
That's right in democratic Britain they were imprisoned over a comic book. Here is a reproduction -
www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/TalesV2.pdf
The same politicians who were condemning the censorship of the Muhammad cartoons a few years earlier either supported their jailing or remained silent.

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

Got a cite that isn't straight from a hate site?

[–] BravisJ 8 years ago

It's too bad she won't talk about Holocaust denial in any other way than to call it hate speech.

Denying an historical event doesn't mean approving it even if it indeed happened...