I cannot go to sources. They aren't in the country I live in, and if they were, I cannot afford to travel to the sources. I won't believe what I read in a book; their pictures can be misrepresented as Jewish deaths committed by Nazis when they're actually caused by allied bombing of a camp in Germany that the Brits bombed. And it's well known that historians have made it official that no so called death camps were on German soil.
It's all in the research of the source material, as you say, and that's what the revisionist historians have done. They follow up on the stories in eye witness testaments and in their books. It's all in those documentaries you claim have a negative agenda.
wtdk123: There's no value to misrepresenting murder but there is iin denying it-- to justify and exonerate those that committed it.
I don't think you understand that your wording of the above quote goes in the favor of those who don't buy into the Holocaust. You say there's no value in misrepresenting murder, but there is in denying it. That means you're giving value to deniers. Plus, exoneration means to absolve of blame. Meaning, they aren't to blame, so they're acquitted of guilt. That's freeing Nazis from a criminal charge. (My following remarks will clearly show why you haven't represented yourself clearly and correctly.)
I know you didn't mean that which you wrote, but that's what you've posted.
And you're right, there's no value in misrepresenting murder. That is in no way what I am doing. I am not misrepresenting murder because I don't deny murder took place. I know that Jews were murdered during WWII. That's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing extermination, genocide. Not murder in its usual definition. But systematic and planned mass murder. Which is clearly detestable. Both, not just genocide, but murder. Of one person, or millions, it's all clearly wrong. And so is misrepresentation of what I have been saying.
That which has been shown in those documentaries you are so quick to disregard has a lot of merit. The question from me to you is have you even looked into those documentaries, and have you gone to the sources yourself? If you haven't then you cannot possibly discuss that which they claim. Not without completely ruining your own agenda. Mine is to set the story straight, and to go onto tell the truth in what I've been learning.
wtdk123: I find it offensive that someone dismisses the massive amount of bodies and all the testimony of those who were there.
I have never dismissed massive amounts of the dead, because I have never seen them. If I had seen them, then I could tell you that they're real, and you suggesting that I would dismiss them is offensive to me. What you don't understand is that I am not anything like your friend. So, please, don't complain to me about being offended, when you yourself are committing offence.
Plus, this is the internet. You're going to be offended by many and often. And to allow that to affect you isn't going to help in a discussion. Once you allow something some one has said offend you and let it anger you, you have then lost the ability to reason fairly and to determine with rational thought what someone is actually saying rather than what you believe they are saying. It cuts out clear thought, and makes your sense of reality indistinct from what is actually happening. I do not say this to edge you into a corner to try to offend any further. So you needn't worry. I don't do things like that. I'm being as helpful as I can. That is why I am talking about my disbelief in the Holocaust. I feel it might help. I don't do this to bring hate upon anyone. Not even to those that have been the culprits in such claims as genocide of 6 million Jews and 5 million others.
because there's obviously a conspiracy by all Jews to defraud the world.
Wrong. I don't buy into that. I understand that there are individuals that identify as Jews whom do indeed play a big part of lying to the world. But I don't claim that it's every single Jewish person. It can't be, because there are definitely Jews that are good, decent, and honest people. But like in every culture, there are dishonest folk, and that happens to be those that carry on the lie. But I don't believe that every single person is lying; I think they buy into the rumors of the time that extermination was occurring. Like when Gena Turgel walked out of a shower room and inmates claimed that she'd just walked out of a gas chamber. If that were true, she'd had been dead. In her testimony she claimed that those whom wanted to kill her accidentally turned the water on instead of the gas. If she were in a real gas chamber the shower heads wouldn't have drawn water, because those were fake. As was the memory of those whom claim they lived through extermination. Memory goes quickly when in duress. Not even those whom have lived through the camps have perfect memory. It's the first thing to go when you're being displaced. Stress causes the imagination to go wild.
So, please do not misrepresent me through some vague notion you have on every other Holocaust revisionist/denier, or what have you, because you are wrong to do so. That could offend me, but it doesn't, because I know that people aren't aware of anything that happens outside of their own ego. They are easily manipulated, read: indoctrinated, into that which they consider truth, which really only stems from a subconscious faith in what they've been told to believe.
Sure that's their movitstion because they benefit from it by getting....absolutely nothing
Haven't you heard of the billions that they were given by Germany through reparations because of the Holocaust? The German's/Nazis paid for their homeland. If they hadn't been given that money through the claim they made that 6 million of their people had been exterminated they wouldn't have Israel. It's a fact. Look it up.
It's called indoctrination and the Nazi regime did a bang up job and still do.
Yes, it's definitely indoctrination when people get offended by something that took place many years ago that they weren't around to actually witness themselves, and instead of relying on actual evidence, they claim it's real not through advancements in discovery but through blind faith. By the way, the Nazi regime ended in 1945. It's no longer a thing. The thing now is those whom claim that there are millions of dead bodies that prove of millions being gassed and cremated. There can't be because the supposed ashes weren't found. Those ashes found at Treblinka by those investigators were from illegal dumping of modern day dead, who's relatives scatter. It's a crime, but it's been done, and you can indeed find those ashes. Watch the following documentary to find this:
The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax Exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b77igZ1InQI find it unlikely that you'll actually take the time to watch it. I find it utterly likely that you'll dismiss it on a whim, and arbitrary whim. But I could be wrong.
Go to the source material and you'll find that those documents really DO prove it happened. They arent open to interpretation.
How's about you try that above link and see if Holocaust revisionists actually are those that are misinterpreting what's found, or if it's those that are trying to convince "you" that what they've found states that extermination happened. You'll find that those that claim the Holocaust happened do most of the interpreting.
These days there are neo-Nazis that stigmatize actual real work done by people who know what they're doing. I'm not referring to the Leuchter report. Even if I was, it's been so maligned that no one actually looks at the details. Minimal cyanide was found in all the rooms that Fred Leuchter examined, but within the fumigation chambers was found very high concentrates of cyanide. Yes, every building was fumigated, that's why there's cyanide found in the fake chamber in Auschwitz.
Well, there you have it. Either feel further offense, or actually accept that I am not the sinister person that you think I am. But do have a good day.
Denying an historical event doesn't mean approving it even if it indeed happened...
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