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Why didn't WWII Nazis deny the Holocaust?


I've done some reading about the trials, I noticed that none of the accused ever claimed these events didn't happen. The most common defense I read about was "I was following orders". If the people who were accused of murder during WWII were unwilling to say it was a hoax, then why are people coming to their defense with this tactic decades later?

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The Nazis knew they'd been caught red-handed, and they didn't even try to deny it, just pass the blame. The crime was too well-documented to do anything else. And those former Nazi criminals who served out their sentences sneer at Holocaust deniers as the deluded loons they are.

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Here`s some real facts,

Reinhold Hannier ... sentenced to prison for his part in the Holocaust just last year, 2016.

He admitted being present as a guard in Auschwitz, serving in the SS. He admitted knowing about people being shot, gassed and burned during his time there. He admitted to being so ashamed of what he had seen and of doing nothing about it he hid his secrets from everyone, including his family until last year when confronted by survivors of the camp.

The trial took place in Germany, not in the US or UK or Netherlands but in Germany.

Germany accept and believe in what happened in the prison camps and no one could know better than them. So why can`t you?

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RanB the Nuremberg trial confessions were induced using torture. It is readily accepted now even by the mainstream that torture was used by the Americans, British and Soviets to obtain confessions.

This effectively and in a very legal sense invalidates every single conviction for war crimes conducted by the allies against the German regime.

FACT.

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RanB the Nuremberg trial confessions were induced using torture. It is readily accepted now even by the mainstream that torture was used by the Americans, British and Soviets to obtain confessions.

This effectively and in a very legal sense invalidates every single conviction for war crimes conducted by the allies against the German regime.

FACT.

It's been my experience that when a person simply claims "FACT.", it is anything but. Can you show me any mainstream media link that shows proof of torture?

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There is none.

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There is none.

Now now, let's give the poor guy a chance to back up the claim. I understand that a single word in all caps is a hard act to follow, but maybe he'll be able to come up with better than the "jews tortured them" article by Lasha Darkmoon that is making the rounds of the dingbat sites out there.

But yeah, not going to hold my breath here. :)

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Hey tkidcharlemagne,

I see that you're active on the Denial board but are unwilling to say anything in regards to evidence that supports your claim that holocaust denial is becoming mainstream. It is people like you who give anti-semites a bad name. Think about it, the best you can do is claim "because I say so". Isn't that rather sad? I'm fairly certain the mainstream thinks so.

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Well, remember, the clown parade of Holocaust denial has been saying this stuff for fifty years: "Enjoy it while it lasts, Jew! Time's up! Your hoax will be utterly demolished by this time next year." And then next year comes, and it's still just the same dumb-ass creeps and cranks saying the same thing: "Time's up!"

I think they think it's supposed to sound swagger-y. Really, though, it makes them sound like they can't read a calendar.

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We didn't kill any jews last time; next time we'll get them all. Yes they're that stupid. It's like they're baby seals clubbing themselves. Hahaha.

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What they're discovering is what happens when they step outside their anti-Semitic bubble and into the real world: their beliefs about the Holocaust turn out to be not just wrong but laughably, idiotically wrong. That's hard on their tender little Jew-hating egos.

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Edward L. van Roden served in World War II as chief of the Military Justice Division for the European theater. Van Roden was appointed in 1948 to an extraordinary commission charged with investigating the claims of abuse during U.S. trials in Germany.

American investigators at the U.S. court in Dachau, Germany used the following methods to obtain confessions:

Beatings and brutal kickings. Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials. Solitary confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual deprivation.
Promises of acquittal. . . .We won the war, but some of us want to go on killing. That seems to me wicked. . . . The American prohibition of hearsay evidence
had been suspended. Second-and third-hand testimony was admitted. . . .

Lt. Perl of the prosecution pleaded that it was difficult to obtain complete evidence. Perl told the court. “We had a tough case to crack, and we had to use persuasive
methods.” He admitted to the court that the persuasive methods included various “expedients including some violence and mock trials.” He further told the court that
the cases rested on statements obtained by such methods.

The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months. They were confined between four walls, with no windows and no opportunity of exercise. Two meals a day were shoved in to them through a slot in the door. They were not allowed to talk to anyone. They had no communication with their families or any minister or priest during that time. . . .

Our investigators would put a black hood over the accused’s head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses.
Many of the German defendants had teeth knocked out. Some had their jaws broken. All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.

This was standard operating procedure with American investigators. Perl admitted use of mock trials and persuasive methods including violence
and said the court was free to decide the weight to be attached to evidence thus received. But it all went in.

One 18-year-old defendant, after a series of beatings, was writing a statement being dictated to him.When they reached the 16th page, the boy was locked up for the
night. In the early morning, Germans in nearby cells heard him muttering: “I will not utter another lie.”
When the jailer came in later to get him to finish his false statement, he found the German hanging from a cell bar, dead.
However, the statement that the German had hanged himself to escape signing was offered and received in evidence in the trial of the others.

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You claimed;

RanB the Nuremberg trial confessions were induced using torture. It is readily accepted now even by the mainstream that torture was used by the Americans, British and Soviets to obtain confessions.

When I challnged you for evidence you reply with portions of an article that seem to be about the trials associated with the Malmedy massacre trial; not about nazis involved in the holocaust. The Germans on trial in this case were accused of murdering American soldiers who had surrendered. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Dachau/VanRoden1948.html

American investigators at the U.S. court in Dachau, Germany used the following methods to obtain confessions:

Beatings and brutal kickings. Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials. Solitary confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual deprivation.
Promises of acquittal. . . .We won the war, but some of us want to go on killing. That seems to me wicked. . . . The American prohibition of hearsay evidence
had been suspended. Second-and third-hand testimony was admitted. . . .

Or so says Roden in a magazine article; not in a sworn statement or in court.

Lt. Perl of the prosecution pleaded that it was difficult to obtain complete evidence. Perl told the court. “We had a tough case to crack, and we had to use persuasive
methods.” He admitted to the court that the persuasive methods included various “expedients including some violence and mock trials.” He further told the court that the cases rested on statements obtained by such methods.

Also from a magazine article.

It seems that you still only have the word FACT! to back up your claim that Nuremberg confessions related to the systemic murder of the jews were the result of torture.

Have anything else that is not so stupid? Remember to include some links, better that they come from a site that is not so biased like http://www.fpp.co.uk/ It would be better if you chose a source that did not pick its sources based solely on how well they support their own point of view.

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Looks like this has been debunked decades ago, by different US investigations into this matter (follow link to read the complete thing):

The alleged American intimidation and torture of the German SS prisoners tried and convicted of the Malmedy-Bagnez Massacres was long ago proven to be a poorly conceived fabrication of falsehoods and distortions for the purpose of saving the defendents from the gallows. This is a fact that is well documented in books and U.S. Senate committe[e] testimonies. See: Richard Gallagher, Malmedy Massacre, (New York: Paperback Library, 1964).

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On May 4th, 1949, Van Roden was called before the Malmedy Massacre Investigation of the U.S. Senate, where he was called upon to answer questions about his widely published statements regarding the intimidation and torture of the SS prisoners to obtain confessions. It immediately became apparent that Van Roden's public statements about the alleged events were untrue. Van Roden's own testimony in the Senate hearing disavowed his public statements.

In the first place, the widely published statements about the destruction of the prisoners' testicles and similarly grotesque mistreatments were not written by Van Roden at all!

The inflammatory article that appeared in the Progressive magazine and subsequent publications were falsely written by James Finucane, Associate Secretary, National Council for Prevention of War, an anti-war paci[s]fist lobbying group in Washington, D.C. Judge Van Roden disavowed the statements attributed to his byline by James Finucane. The claim that all but two of the 139 prisoners had their testicles destroyed by the kicks and torture of the American captors proved to be a bizarre and entirely fraudulent claim.

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Out of the 137 men who had claimed their "testicles were destroyed," none were destroyed.

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One convict admitted the purpose of the allegations was to save them from the gallows and long prison terms they had expected to escape.

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According to a NYT article, dated March 2, 1949, Van Roden's criticized solitary confinement and mock trials but didn't mention any systematic brutality. Instead, "Judge Van Roden said his reviewing agency had found no general conspiracy to obtain evidence improperly."

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Moreoever, according to Bower, Van Roden's allegations "were shattered when it was proven that his informant Friedrich Ebble, who had claimed to have been scarred by the interrogators when they inserted burning matches under his fingernails, had no scars whatsoever. Ebble, who had a criminal record, was medically declared to be mentally disturbed. Van Roden publically admitted his mistakes..." (Cf. Bower, _Blind Eye To Murder_, pp.326-327.)

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The Simpson Commission investigated the allegations. The investigation included medical records and examinations by physicians. The unanimous opinion of the Simpson Commission was that there was no evidence that the allegations of torture (i.e. knocking out of teeth, breaking, jaws, kicking testicles, etc.) were correct. Later, Joe McCarthy carried out a Congressional inquiry into the allegations. McCarthy, hardly a friend of the Army, and did his best to "prove" the allegations. He failed. The Committee's conclusion was also that no torture took place. General Clay's Army investigation likewise concluded that no torture took place.

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Hmmm. Three investigations. All three three concluded that no torture took place.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/v/ftp.cgi?people/v//van-roden.edward/1999/usenet.9912

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You mean a Holocaust denier was caught ouy trying to deal yet another long-debunked lie? Imagine that.

Even funnier is that he's trying to debunk Nuremburg using the Dachau trials. But these guys have never been very good at fact, have they.

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Provide some proof to support your stupid claim. Don't going trying to bring up another topic in the vain attempt to think we didn't forget how stupid your claim was.

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Heimy listen.

I've been asking your Tel Aviv basement dwelling colleague to provide me with forensic evidence for gassings which I will reward with a ÂŁ1,000 check, in the post tomorrow or paypal now.

I know how much goyim money means to you lolohoaxers so surely you can provide me with forensic evidence for just one of the six million jews who got gassed.

All I want is one. I repeat I've been asking this for a couple of weeks.

Regarding the jew lampshades, soap and shrunken heads this is a new request. Can you please provide me with evidence the Germans turned a jew into a lampshade or a bar of soap or shrunk one of their heads.

Can you please also provide me with evidence of the bear and eagle cages jews were allegedly placed in to be pecked and mauled by.

I'm also interested in the lobster boiling rooms alleged at Nuremberg and the electric charge room also claimed there.

Also love to hear how the Germans can dig up the remains of millions of jews at Treblinka burn them in massive funeral pyres and leave the ground where they were allegedly disinterred from appear completely undisturbed since the ice age.

So many questions. I haven't even got to the jew blood spurting like fountains from the ground.

Would you like me to go there.

I can if you so desire ;-)

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Would you like me to go there.

The only place I'm interested in seeing you go is here;
RanB the Nuremberg trial confessions were induced using torture. It is readily accepted now even by the mainstream that torture was used by the Americans, British and Soviets to obtain confessions.

I need you to man up and provide evidence to support this claim or else admit you simply made it up. Simple, man or mouse, what are you?

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Better than forensic evidence, the statements of people who served in places like Auschwitz.

I will start with the last witness to be found guilty and given a prison sentence Reinhold Hannier. He clearly stated what happened in his time serving as an SS officer.

So how do you want to pay me the 1000, via paypal?

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I've got him on ignore, so I don't know what swindle he tried to pull, but it's a pretty standard thing among Holocaust deniers to dart from topic to topic the moment they recognize they're on shaky ground. Thing is, they are on shaky ground the moment they crawl outside their bubble into the real world.

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He has nothing to support his original claim in this thread and had his ass handed to him on a platter with his first attempt to evade the issue. So he is of course trying to have more portions of his anatomy served up by trying to cloud the issue once more.

A baby seal clubbing itself he is. :)

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But that's not unusual. They try a gambit, it blows up in their face, they dash to David Irving's site for another slab of cut-and-paste on another topic.

For all their gesturing about how they're SEEKING THE TRUTH and they're BRAVELY GOING WHERE THE EVIDENCE LEADS, they turn out to be crap intellectually, and crap at building and supporting an argument.

Then they wonder why they're the team that hasn't scored a goal in fifty years -- and they tell themselves, "why, the Jews, of course."

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They did not deny it because they committed it. Easiest way to put aside deniers. The Nazis themselves never denied they did it. They tried to defend it, but not deny it. The numbers themselves are pure BS. They were made up based off a Nazi traveling with Eichman as the fled after the war, and Eichman, questioned by the curious other Nazi, asked "innocently" well, how many do you think you killed? And Eichman, off the top of his head, guestimated "6 million?". That was then the figure that Nazi official used at Nuremburg. It could have been 4, or 8 million. No one truly knows. but it did happen.

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"I was just following orders" is such a misleading conclusion. "If it happened (and that's a big if), it had nothing to do with me" would be much more apt. And as for no Nazi ever denying the holocaust:

Goering always said the policy was expulsion, not extermination. He said the first he heard of gassings was "right here in Nuremberg."
Mengele was adamant there was no extermination/gassings.
Richard Baer denied all knowledge of homicidal gas chambers.
Josef Kramer explicitly denied the existence of gas chambers at Birkenau.
Gustav Franz Wagner was adamant there were no homicidal gas chambers at Sobibor.
Kurt Blonder denied extermination.
When asked about gassings S.S. Major-General Heinz Fanslau said, "This cannot be possible, because I, too, would have had to know something about it."
SS Ernst Kaltenbrunner said gassings were "utterly impossible."
Julius Streicher denied the claims of genocide and said it was "technically impossible."
SS Hans Aumeier also denied genocide. "I know nothing about any gas chambers and no detainee was gassed during my tour of duty."
Erich Priebke denied homicidal gassings took place.
Karl Wolff denied all knowledge of gas chambers.
SS-ObersturmfĂĽhrer Robert Mulka also denied it.

You see where this is going? The whole "the Nazis never denied it" claim is ridiculous. And they certainly did not try to "defend" gassings.

Of course some like Hoess and Eichmann "admitted" it. It's amazing what people will say after being tortured (people once "admitted" to being witches too). Hoess claimed to have killed double what today's total death figure is. Eichmann saw "fountains of blood" spewing up from the ground. Very realistic "confessions."

SS OberscharfĂĽhrer Gunter Herman Frich also admitted to gassing Jews... at Buchenwald... even though no one today still claims there was a gas chamber at Buchenwald.

So answer me this: Why did Frich not deny the holocaust? Why did he admit to gassing people in a non-existent gas chamber? Anyone care to explain?

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One thing to clarify is that the vast majority of people in the 'denial' camp don't deny that horrific things occurred in some of these camps. What they do don't is the figure of 6 million. From the limited reading and researching I have done, I cannot accept that 6 million Jews died in those camps - I consider the figure to have been grossly exaggerated and once you accept that then you have to ask why this has been allowed. I believe it has been exaggerated to further strengthen the agenda of the zionist movement withing the US Jewish community and to strengthen the claim to the apartheid state of Israel. Once you see this, you may/should understand the motivation behind the denial movement. The truth is that it was Jewish banks and Jewish money from the US that helped reinvigorate Germany after world War 1 and it is the zionists that have benefitted the most. Their actions and subsequent lies were and are despicable and my belief is that inflating the holocaust to support a political agenda is the biggest crime committed against the Jewish religion.

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One thing to clarify is that the vast majority of people in the 'denial' camp don't deny that horrific things occurred in some of these camps.

Ah, time for someone to run that swindle.
Here's the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary:
Holocaust denial
the mistaken belief or assertion that the Holocaust did not happen, or was greatly exaggerated.

Deniers like to play a vapid word game: if I eat three quarters of a pizza, I didn't eat the pizza, because there's still a quarter left, and therefore it's wrong to call me a pizza eater.

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What's wrong, Zort? Are you not my friend anymore? I'm patiently waiting for a response to my comment. You were adamant no Nazi ever denied the holocaust, yet I have proven otherwise. Are you going to try to counter me or just bury your head in the sand?

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ZortMcFleen:
I've read this thread and I am no holocaust denier, yet I was intrigued by pauliewalnuts-48096 post and I would like a response from you. Is he right about all those testimonies or do you have a counter-claim?

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I've got Paulie on ignore, because I just caught him in too many lies, and too much anti-Semitic crap, for too long to worry about refuting his claims. He never posted anything that wasn't straight from a hate-site, and after a while I got tired of shooting the fish in his barrel.

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Zort can't provide answers to the points I make. If he could, he would take great pleasure in shooting me down. The fact he is unable to speaks volumes. He peddles lies. And once he's exposed, he buries his head in the sand and hopes no one will notice.

I am right about those testimonies. That is why Zort is unable to produce a counter-claim.

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I cannot accept that 6 million Jews died in those camps

How many then?

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brookiniscool:

One thing to clarify is that the vast majority of people in the 'denial' camp don't deny that horrific things occurred in some of these camps. What they do don't is the figure of 6 million. From the limited reading and researching I have done, I cannot accept that 6 million Jews died in those camps - I consider the figure to have been grossly exaggerated and once you accept that then you have to ask why this has been allowed. I believe it has been exaggerated to further strengthen the agenda of the zionist movement withing the US Jewish community and to strengthen the claim to the apartheid state of Israel. Once you see this, you may/should understand the motivation behind the denial movement. The truth is that it was Jewish banks and Jewish money from the US that helped reinvigorate Germany after world War 1 and it is the zionists that have benefitted the most. Their actions and subsequent lies were and are despicable and my belief is that inflating the holocaust to support a political agenda is the biggest crime committed against the Jewish religion.


1. What's the Zionist agenda: they made all this theater on the world stage back in the 40s (planned much longer if that was the case)? Surely the Israel answer doesn't impress considering the tiny dot on the map they got is to this day contested and a lot of Jews are killed every day by Muslims. This was after all before UN and international laws, they could've bombed the Arabs (which were tiny back then) and taken the entire western Levant without anyone blinking.

2. So Zionism is bad but Arab, Arabism and Islam is good?

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Goering always said the policy was expulsion, not extermination. He said the first he heard of gassings was "right here in Nuremberg."

Richard Baer denied all knowledge of homicidal gas chambers.

SS Hans Aumeier also denied genocide. "I know nothing about any gas chambers and no detainee was gassed during my tour of duty."

Karl Wolff denied all knowledge of gas chambers.


So what you're saying is that Goering claims he didn't know. This is different than him actually denying it happened.

For those who actually denied the holocaust; do you consider their claims to be more persuasive than those who claimed it did happen? If so why?

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The main problem isn't just the lack of evidence of any of these gassings taking place, its also no evidence of Hitler ever ordering it which should be pretty amazing to historians considering how Germans where very meticulous with record keeping. I wonder who came up with the word "Final Solution".

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The main problem is, you haven't got clue one about what the evidence actually is, and have from this position of ignorance bought the anti-Semitic swindle that there is none. To be a Holocaust denier, you have to start from a position of ignorance and then stay there.

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I ask again. Were there jew lampshades, soap and shrunken heads because ever since the end of the war that has been the claim?

Where's the evidence tel aviv boy.

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Ah TKid, me old china! Still at it I see.

You haven't changed much, unfortunately. There is good discussion to be had about the this subject matter but you continue to undermine yourself with your childish rants and name-calling Heimies, Tel Aviv Boy, and your latest pun - Lolocaust.

It's a pity the "Kid" hasn't grown up yet.

Go on. give it a go. And try loving all people without prejudice, regardless of ethnicity. It's so much nicer than living your life full of hatred.

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Hello stalker....

How curious and how weird. You are weird aren't you.

Trump victory just a start old boy. Wow. It's gonna be huuuuugggeee.

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Always happy to step in and contest racism, bigotry and hatred.

I wonder how you ended up that way? You fall in with the wrong crowd and not able to make your own mind up? Well, who knows.

I wont give up on you though. There's a decent humanitarian person in there somewhere. Just need to tease it out somehow.

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Yuuuuggggeeee.

Haven't you been deported yet. Expect that knock on the door soon. Good luck.

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Au contraire, dear Tkid. I'm no threat to anyone. Bigots, racists, hatemongers on the other hand...

There is still time to change your ways and turn to kindness and compassion. Step out of the gloom, TKid. Yours is a dark world.

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Come on move to Mogadishu.

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"Come on" - you mean you are already there?

I didn't think living in Africa would suit your racist sensibilities.

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So what you're saying is that Goering claims he didn't know. This is different than him actually denying it happened.


Are you stupid? Goering insisted the policy was expulsion, not extermination. That is denying extermination. Goering said he never heard of gas chambers until Nuremberg. Do you really think Goering would not have known about an (alleged) extermination plan? That is denying it. He never said "it happened but it had nothing to do with me." He said there was no extermination policy. That is clearly denying extermination. It's not that difficult to grasp.

For those who actually denied the holocaust; do you consider their claims to be more persuasive than those who claimed it did happen? If so why?


The "confessions" of those who admitted it go against what we know today. For example, Hoess confessed to double the murder rate that is claimed today. He signed a confession in a language that he didn't speak. He was also tortured. His confession is thereby inadmissible.

Gunter Herman Frich admitted to gassing Jews in Buchenwald even though there wasn't a gas chamber in Buchenwald.

So the claims of those who "admitted it" are not in the least bit persuasive.

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Frich did not admit to gassing Jews. He claimed there was an SS Officer who drove Jews into a gas chamber.

As you quite rightly state, there wasn't a gas chamber at Buchenwald, so why Frich said this in his statement is unclear. Was it just a lie in order to place the blame of some of the murders on to someone else? Did he genuinely believe there was a gas chamber? (He stated that he wasn't allowed near some buildings and could have misconstrued one for that of a gas chamber.) Where did he get the idea of a gas chamber in the first place?

He didn't deny the killings that went on in the camp so he really had nothing to gain by making up a story about a gas chamber even if it was coerced under duress.

Regardless, a single erroneous statement from one camp guard doesn't necessarily invalidate the rest of his testimony nor those of other witnesses.

And this takes us to the point of the original post: Nazi testimony rarely denied the atrocities. Occasionally the numbers (which were estimates anyway) and methods were inconsistent, but they didn't deny the mass imprisonment and murder of Jews and other minority groups.



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Holocaust deniers are generally pretty stupid people who like to talk about their fantasies, but don't really know what they're talking about when it comes to proof.

Ok here's a response to Mr. Nuts: Mengele escaped from Auschwitz and was never captured at any time after the war. He's believed to have died in the late 1970s. How anyone could ask a full-time fugitive about the holocaust is beyond me. Richard Baer, who was for a time the commandant of Auschwitz also escaped after the war, but was later captured. He was due to go on trail, but died in 1963 before the trial started.

Josef Kramer was tried at NĂĽrenberg. 44 eyewitnesses testified against him. He was sentenced to die and did.

Many Nazis who were important enough to be tried after the war denied they had done anything wrong. Admitting that there were widespread murders and that they had taken part was, in effect, a death sentence. Most tried to avoid that for obvious reasons.

The allies presented eyewitnesses who testified against these Nazis and many were executed or imprisoned.

Adolf Hitler and his entire cabinet with two exceptions committed suicide rather than be captured by the Russians in Berlin or the Western allies in other parts of Germany. Josef Goebbels, for example, had his six children killed, then he and his wife committed suicide in Hitler's bunker. Heinrich Himmler tried to escape after the war and was later caught and recognised by British soldiers. He committed suicide while in British custody. Hermann Göring was tried and convicted at Nürenberg, and sentenced to death by hanging. He objected, saying as a soldier he preferred a firing squad. The judges denied his request, so he too committed suicide.

Albert Speer served 20 years in prison after the war and died a natural death, the only one of Hitler's cabinet to die naturally. Rudolf Hess, second only to Hitler in the early years, flew off in 1941 to the UK to seek an end to the war. The British kept him in prison and twice during his captivity he attempted (unsuccessfully) suicide. After the war, he was tried at NĂĽrenberg. He was found guilty and sentenced to life. He committed suicide in 1987. At the time Hess flew to the UK (1941), the Nazis had not yet formulated their plans for the Holocaust (that happened in January 1942). Those plans, BTW, were kept secret from both the outside world, as well as the German people and many in the German military. The secret came out when the Russian military, attacking from the East, first went through Poland, where they found the death camps left by the Nazis. The Allies, attacking from the West, found some camps in Germany, but those camps did not have the industrialised murder apparatus as in Poland. Mostly, they found a few living prisoners and many dead bodies. There are films showing the western allies forcing German civilians to carry dead bodies into large pits for burial. These Germans mostly lived in the towns and villages near the concentration camps, but claimed not to know nothing anything about them.

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Lots of dead bodies all over Germany and Eastern Europe near the end of the war. The food supply lines had effectively ceased to exist.

You state German civilians were forced to carry dead bodies. Are you claiming they were victims of gassings or typhus. I can only assume you are inferring they were gassed.

You just got rumbled. Official death camp historians now state categorically that there were no death camps on German soil.

Those dead bodies were typhus deaths. Typhus was claiming the lives of thousands in camps run by the allies during and indeed after the war because the disease was rampant. The whole region was utterly devastated by war. Typhus always appears in the death throes of all catastrophic wars.

The rest of your wikipedia list of 'facts' is banal and worthless.

The whole lolohoax myth relies entirely on Soviet sources. The same soviets who up until the end of the soviet union claimed that the torture death holocaust of the Polish intelligensia during their occupation at katyn wood was the work of the Germans. WHEN IT WAS THEM!!

You holoshysters have zero credibility. Absolutely zero.

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Do you think I would believe a single word of someone who lives in a fantasy world? You American neo-Nazis have only your dreams to rely on. What you know about history is what you learned in your second year in school - the one just before you dropped out.

You people must have really sad lonely lives to have to come here to sprout your nonsense - since no one in real life listens to you any more.

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The whole lolohoax myth relies entirely on Soviet sources.

Really? What about the German and Polish sources?

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LOL, you rumbled him and what did he do? Did he argue his point like a man? Nope, he deleted his post. LOL! I love when their lies get exposed.

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@nuts

Like your lie about Gunter Herman Frich?

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Lie????

In Frich's own words:

"There was also a gas chamber. Leader of this installation was the SS Sturmfuhrer HERBERT EMIL. For this man it was a pleasure to drive daily 40 to 50 prisoners through this gas chamber. The named Sturmfuhrer stood supplied with a gas mask at the entrance of the gas chamber, and drove the prisoners inside."

Frich is clearly "admitting" to the gassing of Jews at Buchenwald... a place confirmed to never have had a gas chamber.

Frich confessed to the extermination of prisoners in a place that everyone - deniers/revisionists and holocaust historians - agrees never exterminated prisoners.

It shows just how "persuasive" the testimony of the minority of Nazis who didn't deny extermination are.

Bonus Buchenwald "confession." Richard Thies admitted:

"Whilst having been employed as a guard with the Guard Bn BUCHENWALD to have escorted to,and forced into, the Gas Chambers, victims of unknown nationality at BUCHENWALD Concentration Camp between 17th March and 26Th April 1944."

Yet more confessions in regards to a non-existent gas chamber. Very persuasive... very persuasive...

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It doesn't matter if it didn't actually happen. All about the jew feels. Facts are racist.

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I refer you to my earlier reply regarding Frich's testimony

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Sigh... is that the best you can do? Playing around with words to deflect from losing the argument.

I never said Frich (or Fricke as some documents have spelt it) "personally" gassed Jews, I said he "admitted" to the gassing of Jews at Buchenwald. He gave an "eyewitness" account of SS Emil driving Jews into a non-existent gas chamber. In other words, he was clearly lying. He could not give details of a "combustion room" because he was not allowed near it, but he was quite adamant SS Emil forced Jews into a "gas chamber."

Richard Thies "admitted":

"Whilst having been employed as a guard with the Guard Bn BUCHENWALD to have escorted to,and forced into, the Gas Chambers, victims of unknown nationality at BUCHENWALD Concentration Camp between 17th March and 26Th April 1944."

Here we have two men "admitting" Jews were gassed in a non-existent gas chamber. It really shows how much the "confessions" of the Germans who didn't deny the (alleged) holocaust are worth.

Outlandish eyewitness testimonies and confessions extracted by torture. In other words, there is as much "evidence" for the holocaust as there was for witches.

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The anthropomorphic global warming scam of its day was the lolohoax.

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Oh yes, TKid! You just had to be a Global Warming denier as well as a racist, white supremacist, holocaust-denying anti-semite.

What else? Creationist? Flat-earther? Fake moon landings?

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Hilarious. These clowns are trying so hard to swagger, and it still all comes out like Elmer Fudd singing "kiww the wabbit" and being swallowed by his oversized helmet.

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Wow a creationist denier!

I knew you weren't no common or garden SJW. You literally cover the whole gamut. I wouldn't be surprised if you've had your insipid little penis cut off too.

Bless you're little pigeon chest.

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Get back on track. The "confessions" of Germans who didn't deny the (alleged) holocaust were full of impossibilities. The testimonies of those who did deny extermination (the vast majority of high ranking officials) were actually more logical and therefore more persuasive.

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The level of delusion you have is quite remarkable.

But claiming anyone else other than yourself has zero credibility? You just reached a level of delusion no man has ever reached before.

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