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The Holocaust is a religion

posted 8 years ago by walterlawson-99568
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Pilgrims make journeys to the holy site (Auschwitz) to prostrate themselves before the altar of the "gas chambers". By prioritizing the suffering of the Jews ahead of genuine, historical genocides (Stalinist purges, Holodomor, Armenian genocide etc.), the world has been socially engineered by institutionalized guilt into tacitly condoning the crimes against humanity committed in Israel's name. And just like any religious authority, any form of heterodoxy is strictly forbidden. If you doubt or question any aspect of the sacred narrative (six million Jews were systematically exterminated in gas chambers by Nazis), you will become a pariah or in some cases face the fear of imprisonment for such heresy.

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

More of the Holocaust denier's rhetoric of why-they-always-lose.

I think most people work out the difference between a religious belief and a well-documented historical event by the time they're ten or so. Sorry it's still evading you.

If you were talking about something like the fall of Troy in 800 BC, you might have some possibility of making a case. But we're talking about something that happened smack in the middle of the 20th century smack in the middle of Europe.

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[–] walterlawson-99568 8 years ago

And with eye witness statements from both sides.

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. And that's assuming these are credible witnesses and not shills trying to cash in on the reparations.

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[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

That's the usual denial whine -- ignore all testimonies en banc because they can't be trusted. It's one of those special pulled-out-of-their-collective-arse "rules" by which they seek to deny historical reality.

[–] walterlawson-99568 8 years ago

What about the witnesses that neglect to mention any mass exterminations?

[–] BobbyDupea 8 years ago

The evidence for mass-exterminations is overwhelming. That's the reason none of the Nazis tried at Nuremberg ever denied the murders.

See, e.g., Hilberg, Raul, The Destruction of the European Jews, Quadrangle Books, 1961.

See, also, the Nuremberg Trial transcripts and documentary evidence, along with the official U.S. government reports on the trials, at the Library of Congress website, www.loc.gov.

My real name is Jeff

[–] ranb40 8 years ago

Pilgrims make journeys to the holy site (Auschwitz) to prostrate themselves before the altar of the "gas chambers".

Photos or it didn't happen. I've seen pics of people at these places, but never of anyone prostrate before them. What do you have?

By prioritizing the suffering of the Jews ahead of genuine, historical genocides (Stalinist purges, Holodomor, Armenian genocide etc.),

Why do you think the jewish genocides have a priority over the others?

the world has been socially engineered by institutionalized guilt into tacitly condoning the crimes against humanity committed in Israel's name.

What crimes are those?

And just like any religious authority, any form of heterodoxy is strictly forbidden. If you doubt or question any aspect of the sacred narrative (six million Jews were systematically exterminated in gas chambers by Nazis), you will become a pariah or in some cases face the fear of imprisonment for such heresy.

You actually have this fear? Pussy! I doubt all religions, I've never had anything to fear.

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

There's more to this guy's idiocy than just that. Anybody who claims that the Nazis gassed six million Jews really doesn't know the first thing about the Holocaust he's supposedly denying.

[–] walterlawson-99568 8 years ago

Photos or it didn't happen.

Let's apply that logic to the gassings. 

Why do you think the jewish genocides have a priority over the others?

Think? It's a fact. Where are the Holodomor museums throughout the world? Where are the Holodomor documentaries on Discovery channel 24/7? Where is the Holodomor on the national curriculum? Heck, the average Joe on the street hasn't even heard of it, but just like Pavlov's dog we've been conditioned to shudder at the mere mention of the Holocaust.

What crimes are those?

http://itisapartheid.org/Documents_pdf_etc/IsraelViolationsInternationalLaw.pdf

You actually have this fear? Pussy! I doubt all religions, I've never had anything to fear.

Try doubting the Holocaust religion. See where that gets you!

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

Think? It's a fact.

You keep using that word. It does not mean what Holocaust deniers think it means.

Try doubting the Holocaust religion.

Same deal with that word.

[–] walterlawson-99568 8 years ago

Your failure to address the rest of my post and your resorting to sophomoric asides speaks volumes.

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

Yep. It means I do not take you even slightly seriously. Nor should I; you are just the latest drone in the Holocaust denial parade of crazies, repeating the same old lies in the same old way, without the slightest bit of new and independent thought. You're just reciting the talking-point cue cards written for you by swindlers like David Irving, cranks like Rudolf, and wackadoodles like Fred Forty-Cups-of-Coffee-a-Day Leuchter.

Say something that hasn't been said a hundred times by the creeps and cranks of the Holocaust denial movement, and I might bother to take you seriously. Until then, you're just a human rerun spouting crap about stuff you don't actually understand.

[–] walterlawson-99568 8 years ago

Concession accepted. 

[–] ZortMcFleen 8 years ago

Thanks for the great demonstration of the usual denier propensity to just simply make things up out of whole cloth if it's what you want to hear, and thereby claim unearned victory. Of course, unearned is the only way deniers can claim victory.

[–] ranb40 8 years ago

Let's apply that logic to the gassings.

You want to compare photos of an event you claim is openly happening today to one that happened decades ago in a country where being the wrong race got you pushed into an oven?

Where are the Holodomor museums throughout the world?

Wow, you're really that stupid. It's in the Ukraine. No one is stopping you from erecting another one of your own.

Where are the Holodomor documentaries

Here is one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FDgiVgW4iI

on Discovery channel

Does it really need to be on the Discovery channel?

24/7?

Nothing is on the Discovery channel 24/7.

Where is the Holodomor on the national curriculum?

Here is some; http://www.holodomoreducation.org/index.php/id/158

Heck, the average Joe on the street hasn't even heard of it,

So? What are you doing to change that? How is chanting "the jews did it" working out for you? Do you bitch anywhere else besides IMDB?

but just like Pavlov's dog we've been conditioned to shudder at the mere mention of the Holocaust.

Speak for yourself. How is it that you've allowed yourself to become conditioned like this anyway? Is there any reason we should trust anyone like yourself who is so readily conditioned?

[–] walterlawson-99568 8 years ago

You want to compare photos of an event you claim is openly happening today to one that happened decades ago in a country where being the wrong race got you pushed into an oven?

Yes, I do.

Wow, you're really that stupid. It's in the Ukraine. No one is stopping you from erecting another one of your own.

Why hasn't Western society collectively rallied together to mourn this great tragedy on anything like the level we have with the Holocaust? Have a good long think about that one and get back to me.

Here is one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FDgiVgW4iI

Congratulations! You found ONE Holodomor documentary on Youtube. Have a cookie! Now measure that against the number of Holocaust documentaries on Youtube and television. Do you see the disparity?

Here is some; http://www.holodomoreducation.org/index.php/id/158

That's a project trying to raise educational awareness of the Holodomor, that doesn't mean it's part of the national curriculum.

So? What are you doing to change that? How is chanting "the jews did it" working out for you? Do you bitch anywhere else besides IMDB?

Ah, so now we're resorting to cheap taunts and insults. Very good. 

Speak for yourself. How is it that you've allowed yourself to become conditioned like this anyway? Is there any reason we should trust anyone like yourself who is so readily conditioned?

Conditioned by what? The facts? Show me some hard evidence that Jews were systematically gassed to death by the Nazis during WW2 and I'll concede. That shouldn't be too difficult. Genocide on that scale isn't something that can be swept under the carpet, but the only 'proof' comes from tortured Nazis and unreliable witness testimony. No hard scientific evidence. Just because the Nazis did persecute and send them to concentration camps doesn't mean they should be a dumping ground for whatever horrors we can imagine – but that's exactly what happened at Nuremberg.

[–] ranb40 8 years ago

Why do you want to make such a strange comparison?

Why is it that you are too inept to find out information on a museum you suggest didn't exist then try to change the question to one of magnitude?

You were the one with cheap taunt suggesting there was no holodomor museum.

You tell me how you were conditioned since you were the one making the claim. I've no idea why you would be conditioned like that.

Which nazis were tortured into claiming the jews were systematically killed in WWII? Which witnesses were unreliable? Only the ones who say something you disagree with?

[–] HuddsOn 8 years ago

Why hasn't Western society collectively rallied together to mourn this great tragedy on anything like the level we have with the Holocaust?

Partly for the same reason that there is much more awareness of the Irish Famine of 1845-49 than about the even more horrific but largely forgotten famines that occurred in India under British rule. There are more Irish-Americans than Indian-Americans, so their collective experiences are much better known and have more of an impact on wider society.

In the same way, Jewish Americans are more numerous than Ukrainian Americans, so their experiences get more attention and impact on the public consciousness more.

Also perhaps there is more appetite among the American and British public for reading about Nazi crimes and seeing movies and documentaries about them because we can feel a sort of smug triumphalism at the knowledge we helped to defeat Nazism and put an end to their atrocities. The same cannot be said of Stalin-era crimes in the Soviet Union.

So yes, you have a point, it is possible to have too much commemoration of something as well as too little.

[–] BobbyDupea 8 years ago

There are many photos of the holocaust, even though efforts were made to keep it secret. Many photos were presented at Nuremberg. If you don't know about the evidence, that's your fault.

My real name is Jeff

[–] shekelbergman 8 years ago

The Holocaust is indeed a religion, it's just them rebooting the story of how the egyptians made them build the pyramids, except they replaced Egypt with Germany, King Ramses with Hitler, and Pyramids with Camps

[–] Xumuon 8 years ago

It was a failed attempt at the creation of a new world religion centred on the inherent innocence and goodness of the Jew who would be worshipped almost as living saints. It failed. Israel was supposed to be the beneficiary of the Holocaustian faith.