What should Germany have done about the Jews
How should Germany have approached their problem with their Jews?
Was deportation a viable solution and if not what?
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How should Germany have approached their problem with their Jews?
Was deportation a viable solution and if not what?
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How should Germany have approached their problem with their Jews?
I think we both know it wasn't as simple as that.
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I think we both know it wasn't as simple as that.
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No, as I said, it wasn't as simple as that.
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No, as I said, it wasn't as simple as that.
Racism aside the Jews in Germany were having an inimical effect on the shattered county with financial and occupational stranglehold.
What should have been the best approach to solve these issues?
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Racism asidefollowed by a blatantly racist generalization.
As a Tel Aviv jew Zorty do you approve of the wall round Israel built to as Netanyahu stated 'keep out the wild beasts.'
Isn't it strange how jews are allowed to protect their genetic integrity but if a gentile does it the full force of judaism in all its financial might will crash down on you and crush you.
Do you think your people are going to crush Trump?
Also without your beloved lolohoax do you think you'd have fooled the gentiles to allow infinite brown, blacks and yellows into their nations.
Interesting question that isn't it. It's almost as though the lolohoax has destroyed the European love for their own individuality. Imagine what will happen when the lolohoax becomes well accepted. The white man isn't going to be very happy with the Tel Avivers is he?
No I don't need to try again. You need to have a conversation without pulling the racism card.,
Sometimes you can talk about a group of people simply with an unbiased eye and look at a situation to make a judgement. What the hell is wrong with that?
That's the trouble theses days people are ever ready to hide behind words like racism or anti Semitism making a look at certain issues virtually impossible.
Whether you can accept it or not Jewish interests had an inimical affect on Germany prior to WW2. Why can't you accept this - is it because it is in actual fact YOU who is utterly bias.
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In other words, your racist remark was called out for what it was, and you're all "why do they respond to my scurrilous antisemitic comment by calling it antisemitic, the entirely accurate scoundrels?"
shareSo what are saying, are you saying I'm not telling the truth with my previous statements?
If it turns out to be true and I demonstrate that what then? Will you still pull the racism card? Surely the truth is a universal trump card that betters your sheild racism card.
If I demostrate that I'm telling the truth then surely you'll have to admit it wasnt racist but a factual a statement? Will you be prepared to do that?
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Trying to reason with racists is like trying to argue music with someone deaf from birth. Racism is inherently irrational, a trap for sloppy thinkers.
shareSo you're openly and pathetically sidestepping the issue rather than admit Jewish interests were inimical to post WW1 Germany?
It's blatantly obvious that you are incapable or unwilling to be impartial and honest.
You are disingenuous.
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I'm saying your question is so catastrophically misframed it's like saying to an astronomer, "Presuming that the earth is cubical, how do you explain the orbital mechanics of geosynchronous satellites?"
Huff and puff all you want about it. It's funny to watch.
I think it's entirely more likely that you are being deliberately evasive and obtuse with disingenuous gusto.
You can't deviate from your obdurate agenda so paint a question as 'catastrophically misframed' simply to avoid answering it. A transparent weak stunt designed to save face but ultimately having the opposite affect.
Attempt 5
Can you admit that Jewish interests had an inimical affect on post WW1 Germany occupationally and financially?
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Pound that table! Beat that drum! Won't change the facts: your question was dumb.
Presuming that Warren G Harding was a hockey stick and that two times three is raspberry, what should the Germans have done?
ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS QUESTION. If you evade it, you are only exposing your intellectual deficiencies.
I can see where this is headed. It seems any time you are asked to answer a question you will just childishly come back with nonsense responses. You would probably never even tire of this and it would go on forever. It really is quite cringe worthy.
You're on a discussion board but you can't discuss a certain topic because it doesn't fit in with your bias standpoint. What does this say about you? It says that you are a shallow one dimensional creature. I ask myself why I even waste more of my time responding to your feeble post considering you have demonstrated your true colors.
I'll attempt to take the high ground and contribute with a post aimed to create a discussion (on discussion boards), a goal you are unfamiliar with.
We know that Germany was crippled by economic hardship, repatriation, astronomical recession post WW1. This isn't up for debate. Nor is it that through these difficult times It was many Jews who actually thrived.
Given I know what type of creature you are I know you will gleefully scrutinize this post looking for a weakness, something to pounce on. So lets get you to accept first of all:
1) Germany was in economic hardship post WW1
2) Many Jews were thriving in this climate.
Next we have to try and get you to acknowledge that less that 1% (Jews) of the population was grossly misrepresented in commerce, business sectors and especially banking.
Ordinary Germans, long suffering were losing everything, destitute the last of their possessions gone meanwhile, Jews who hadn't shared in their hardship, were taking everything from property to positions of occupational power.
Now I realize given your nature you are either going to try to deny or to avoid admitting:
3) As normal Germans were on the brink of ruin Jews were doing very well in property, financial, occupational positions and interests.
Are you prepared to cede these 3 points? If not there is no point in me continuing because I'll be wasting my time and you will being characteristically evasive.
I look forward to your snake oil response as you slither out of answering straight questions.
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As predicted, he evaded MY VERY IMPORTANT SERIOUS QUESTION.
I can see where this is headed.
I'll attempt to take the high ground
Are you prepared to cede these 3 points?
I'm not going to get further involved with you Zort unless by some miracle you engage in a discussion in a civilised manner, stop the immaturity and childish behaviour.
You've been:
1) evasive
2) disingenuous
3) petty and immature
4) and are frankly just becoming a nuisance
Since there is clearly NOTHING to be gained by conversing with you I'll stop responding. Given your nature and track record of childish comebacks I appreciate you'll want the last word and would keep tit-for-tatting until the cows came home, I won't engage in your puerile behaviour.
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I'm not going to get further involved with you Zort unless by some miracle you engage in a discussion in a civilised manner, stop the immaturity and childish behaviour.
You've been:
1) evasive
2) disingenuous
3) petty and immature
4) and are frankly just becoming a nuisance
Since there is clearly NOTHING to be gained by conversing with you I'll stop responding. Given your nature and track record of childish comebacks I appreciate you'll want the last word and would keep tit-for-tatting until the cows came home, I won't engage in your puerile behaviour.
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1) evasive
2) disingenuous
3) petty and immature
4) and are frankly just becoming a nuisance
Why would he be honest about that? Then he would have to admit his motive for asking such a biased question...
What should us whitey's do about our porch monkey problem?
What should priests have done about those pesky pedophile laws?
Asking questions in a pathetic and biased manner... is why he doesn't deserve to be treated with any sort of respect.
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Unless it's Netanyahu calling blacks and browns trying to get into Israel 'wild beasts' and then it's ok.
Racism is a biological imperative. It's how races formed and have been perpetuated. It's how jews like you Tel Aviv boy have maintained their genetic blueprint for exploitation and infiltration and general ability to jew over every country stupid enough to let you in.
Enjoy.
When I learned about the Holocaust in school it was mostly Hitlet was evil and he was born evil etc. I did my own research and realized that it was way more complicated.
shareThe German people should have continued to welcome the jews and their culture and been much better for it.
shareAngela Merkel is what you get for being nice to Jews. They cannot be bargained with. Cannot be placated. They will always aim to destroy white nations. It's a genetic thing.
Aw, Tkid - I'm so disappointed in you coming out with the same old white-supremacist, anti-semitic hatred once again.
Where did all this anger and racism in you come from?
Did a Jewish kid thump you on the nose in a schoolyard fight?
Angela Merkel is what you get for being nice to Jews.
They cannot be bargained with. Cannot be placated. They will always aim to destroy white nations. It's a genetic thing.
Work in progress. Drip drip.
George Soros is one of yours isn't he. He's going to be feeling the heat pretty damn soon.
Dud you Jews think you'd win indefinitely?
Work in progress. Drip drip.
George Soros is one of yours isn't he. He's going to be feeling the heat pretty damn soon.
Dud you Jews think you'd win indefinitely?
Ha! Racist losers like Kid Jewish-song trollin' you as hard as they can, hoping to trigger Jews into bawling -- and lo, nobody's bawling, and lo, his argument that Jews are obviously evil and unhuman is demolished because in the real world he can't even tell a Jew from a gentile.
In the words of Bugs: what an ultra-maroon.
Nobody's bawling?
You obviously don't read or listen to the the Lugenpresse then chosenite.
That response takes the biscuit. Congrats Tel Aviv boy.
You couldn't understand. That's cos your stupid. My subtext was too much for you.
You're not jewish?
That puts you in a shabbos goy league quite high up the shabbos goy league table. That's pretty damn impressive.
You couldn't understand. That's cos your stupid. My subtext was too much for you.
You're not jewish?
That puts you in a shabbos goy league quite high up the shabbos goy league table. That's pretty damn impressive.
They cannot be bargained with. Cannot be placated. They will always aim to destroy white nations. It's a genetic thing.
Lol @ the chosenite. You literally get Jews writing all white nation race relations legislation that basically forbids white from protesting their own racial immolation ( the U.K a prime example) At the same time Netanyahu builds a massive wall which he literally says is to keep the wild beasts out. Israel doesn't accept a single Syrian despite being on their border at the same time state sponsored ISRAID literally directs the brown swarm into Europe, aiding them logistically and legally. At the same time jew ngos like those run by George Soros promote open borders in all white nations and lavishly fund organisations whose sole goal is infinite kebab for European nations.
You then get Jews like Zort crying out in fake pain as his Jewish cohorts strike us down again and again.
Lmao... ummm, it is CLEARLY you that's crying. Wahh, Jews this... wahh Jews that. Such a hateful human being, with a tinfoil hat.
sharePlease explain.
I'm trying to discuss some issues with the Jewish interests post WW1.
I realise if you mention anything remotely to do with questioning Jews you are labelled anti Semitic or racist.
But is there no one prepared to have an honest impartial discussion?
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Lmao honest, impartial discussion? As you try to deny a historical fact? Lol yeah, because you're CLEARLY honest and impartial lol... Unbelievable. A sane and logical person would have an honest and impartial discussion, if they thought you had any intention whatsoever of doing the same.
And all you have to do is read any of Tkids posts. That's all the "explaining" I need regarding the crying comment.
I take that back, you're not necessarily trying to deny the Holocaust... but just give some justified reasoning why the Germans did what they did (even though you won't admit it). Which puts you pretty much on the same level of the deniers.
shareNot at all.
Seriously. If you would just engage in an open honest discussion about whether the Jews had inimical affect or Germany post WW1 it would be a start.
That's it. Consistently that's all I'm asking, each any every one of you who call me this or that won't talk about this.
It's a pretty straight forward question(s) I've asked. Why not simply just put me right about what I've got wrong and that would be the end of it, back and fourth insults don't accomplish anything.
It's a particularly nebulous period of history and I'm interested to discuss the truth of the matter.
Once again - for the NTh time.... can you or anybody else here have this aforementioned discussion?
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Nobody logical will have that discussion... because it's a dumb discussion.
First of all, you absolutely came to the wrong place if you are actually trying to have an unbiased conversation about that topic, or any topic for that matter. (Imdb closing their message boards should be a hint at that)
Secondly, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you're trying to do. You may claim you aren't, but it couldn't be any more clear that you are just stirring the pot, and trying to give some sort of justified reason for the Holocaust. And if that's "not true" like you claim, then what could possibly be your reasoning for trying to have that conversation?
Hence, why no one takes you seriously nor entertains you're pointless conversation.
It's not a dumb discussion as I'm prepared to go in to if someone was prepared to stop playing the agenda and being evasive.
Seriously.
It's not the wrong place.
What you're doing is telling me my ends without giving me chance to discuss the matter openly and honestly - this is deliberately close minded and obtuse.
I've repeatedly stated many times I am asking if the jewsish interests in Germany post WW1 had an inimical affect on the country.
I'm not justifying the holocaust - I'm not even justifying one single murder - if I had you could quote me.
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Yes, it is a dumb discussion.
Yes, this absolutely is the wrong place to seek out an "honest impartial" discussion. You seriously think this is a good place for an honest impartial discussion? Wow.
But okay, I'll play your silly game. But just answer this as you've already evaded the question once.. what could you possibly be trying to prove, or gain, or whatever, by having this conversation? So what if there were Jews who were better off financially than Germans?
You indisnt it's dumb - I insist it isn't - so we both have our opinions which won't change. That's the end of that particular tit-for-tat I hope.
Well it is a discussion board, but you are right -clearly - I've encountered no honesty or impartiality thus far.
I'm not trying to prove anything, I have nothing substantial to gain except discussion itself. And who knows, perhaps some knowledge and clarity on what I already stated is a nebulous period.
Look, anti semitism was indeed rife in Europe but to risk being labelled an anti Semite for the billionth time I'm asking if Jewish people had an inimical affect occupationaly and financially on Germany where they lived.
It's not as simple as just saying "so what if some Jews were better off" I'm sure you know that and were actually being obtuse.
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No, I'm not being acute, obtuse, or anything else triangular.
I'm just not entertaining this "discussion" you're trying to have because you've already had it. I already know your opinion on the subject matter. You think Jews had an inimical effect on Germany.
But again, you refuse to answer what your point is. IF that were true, what's your point.
Like I said, nobody wants to have that conversation because it's painfully obvious to see where you're going with it.
There's more than one meaning for certain words, I'm sure you realise.
If you're not entertaining the discussion - and i mean this - why the hell bother? Its just waste of time tit-for-tat that accomplish nothing.
You clearly don't think the Jews had an inimical affect. What if we discussed the information that brought me to entertain this point of view? Would that be so bad? And If as you say - I'm wrong then what do you have to lose? You clearly aren't worried about your time as you waste it with meaningless replies.
Now, I'm sorry to be rude, but unless you want to have a discussion then I'm not going to just reply for the sake of it. That's not why I'm here.
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If you're not entertaining the discussion - and i mean this - why the hell bother?
Now, I'm sorry to be rude
LMAO so now you're falsely assuming things about me? I never said anything about whether or not the Jews had an "inimical effect" on anything. In fact, I said I didn't really care lol. And I never once claimed you were wrong. Lol typical nonsense from you.
My easy to understand point that you are having so much trouble understanding... Is that it's impossible to answer your biased question, unbiasedly. That's it. You can't have an unbiased discussion, stemming from a biased question. How hard could that possibly be to understand.
Well it is a discussion board, but you are right -clearly - I've encountered no honesty or impartiality thus far.
Oh, and no... you aren't trying to ask anyone that question. You've already stated on this board that "the Jews had a inimical effect of the German country with financial and occupational stranglehold." So you clearly aren't asking for informational purposes, as your mind is clearly already made up. You're "asking" so that you can debate about the issue. And again, what could possibly be your ultimate goal in having that opinion, I wonder?
shareIf I stated that it is because that is what I have come to believe given the information I have seen, researched and learned. (No not just hate sites, I'll save you the trouble of writing that.)
Now
If you were to refute my claims I would admit I was wrong and put my hands up graciously, appreciative I was corrected.
My ultimate goal is to find clarity and if you read the OP it is to ask if there was some method or actions (as clearly the holocaust was abhorrent) to combat what was possibly a detrimental section of the society.
Now are you really going to tit-for-tat over and over again to pointlessly and continually ask stupid questions about why I ask or are you, unlike anyone yet, going to engage in an open discussion and discuss the topic at hand with an honest eye?
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Yes, we all know that is what you believe.
Lol and calling me out for going "tit-for-tat"... as you go tit-for-tat and continue calling my questions stupid lol hypocritical much? Yes we both think each others questions are stupid. The difference is mine were meant to be stupid and yours weren't, making them that much more pathetic.
Your question's are stupid, because of they way they are framed. If you consider the Jews to have been a "problem" for Germany, then it is you with the problem.
I'm not trying to "refute your claims" because frankly, I don't really care. But it should be painfully obvious to why no one will entertain your "topic". And you have yet to even answer your own question. What do YOU think they should have done? All you've done is get mad at people for not entertaining your discussion, when you've yet to provide a solution yourself. And again, that's because I believe (along with everyone else who wouldn't engage with you) we know exactly your agenda for bringing this up, and I think your answer to that question will prove it.
Funny how the idiots change the subject when they know they can't even respond to certain points because they know it will expose them for the liars they are...
They ask questions in a biased manner to induce the answer they want?!?!?! Who woulda thunk it!!!
Just hilarious that this went without a response
You've already stated on this board that "the Jews had a inimical effect of the German country with financial and occupational stranglehold." So you clearly aren't asking for informational purposes, as your mind is clearly already made up. You're "asking" so that you can debate about the issue.
Lol yes it has. I really tried to get my point across to him subtly, so that I wouldn't have to spell it out for him. But he just continues to dig himself deeper and deeper. Hiding behind the "oh just trying to have a respectful discussion here!". All the meanwhile trying to discuss a biased topic about how "problematic" the Jews were to the Germans.
Not that I'm saying his main point was wrong, about the Jews being better off financially and/or occupationally... But that his way of thinking is wrong. If that happened to be true (which like I've said numerous times could care less either way), that doesn't in any way make the Jews a "problem" for Germans. If you can look at that situation and say to yourself "yeah, the Jews were the problem because of that" then you have a serious problem with the way you think.
What we've all seen on this thread is pathetic evasive tactics from the jack-in-the-box Zort, and his toothless cronies. They've desperately pretended not to understand what a question is and thrown in their usual shield terms.
What we have here is willful ignorance.
Let me explain:
My argument was my opening question; what should Germany have done about the Jews
and subsequently I asked whether Jews were inimical to Germany post WW1
So, whats the problem. First and foremost if there was a problem regarding the Jews. If there was then the opening questions can't be ignored or dismissed with "Anti Semitic" or "racist" because it would be true. If it is subsequently racist or anti Semitic then tough luck. You see, the truth doesn't fear smear term defenses from the perennially disingenuous.
Were the Jews inimical?
International Jewry descended with their customary flair for seizing opportunities. The jews flourished in a broke Germany in a financial feeding frenzy buying up everything from the poor vanquished long-suffering German people, indifferent to their plight unsympathetic to their hardships. You see they never were there to help or share the burden, as always, since the butchery of Moses, they were a race apart.
They owned a third of the Reich. like corpulent vampires in a bloodbank, drunk on foreskins, they ran amok while the honest Germans looked on aghast at such barely checked greed. Everything of value was being ingested by unscrupulous money men making profit of the misery of an impoverished down-on-their-luck public.
These are the facts. Now Jew-in-the-box Zort and his dishonest cronies will try to dazzle you with BS, they won't be able to disprove anything I say but it's going to be fun to watch.
The Jews, around a meager 1% of the population were controlling everything. They were obscenely misrepresented in all institutions from banking, finance, press, theater,the press. They were just on a feeding frenzy making it rich when the German man next to him was on his knees flat broke. Their was no interest in sharing their profits or helping the indigenous people, No, it was an exercise in greed. Go on - scramble to prove me wrong, scramble to smear me with lies. The fact is the Jews were grossly misrepresented - This is a fact and you can't deny it.
Every week that passed - given the climate - the normal gentile on the street found it harder and harder to try and get a job or success. Why? because the Jews were controlling all the positions of power, they controlled the press, the courts, the banks. Cronyism ran out unchecked. This was the real racism. The racism first and foremost carried out by a minority over a populace like a parasite on a larger host.
Go on -jump in and try to tell me I'm lying. I'd like that then I'll shoot you down with the truth.
But these tactics were nothing new to the Jews. History is utterly littered with tales and truths about their unscrupulous behavior. But, don't take my word for it lets see what what historic figures have said just so we have an idea.
"Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous and devilish lot are these Jews, who for these fourteen hundred years have been and still are our plague, our pestilence, and our misfortune."Martin Luther
POPE CLEMENT VIII: “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty,
WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.: “They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy’s armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in… It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America.”
“The Jews are the master robbers of the modern age.” (Napoleon Bonaparte)
What do YOU think they should have done?
Your question's are stupid, because of they way they are framed. If you consider the Jews to have been a "problem" for Germany, then it is you with the problem
“The greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government.” (Charles A. Lindberg, Speech at Des Moines, Iowa, September 11, 1941)
“…[We] must stop these swarms of Jews who are trading, bartering and robbing.” (US Civil War General William Sherman).
“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
squeak! squeak! squeak!
Like corpulent vampires in a bloodbank, drunk on foreskins, they ran amok while the honest Germans looked on aghast at such barely checked greed.
The Jack-in-the-box nuisance returns. Just can't help himself.
and are now simply spewing big chunks of cut-and-paste interspersed with oh-my-god-the-Jews-the-Jews fulmination.
You contribute, as you always do, with a cheap post, merely a taunt. Nothing of substance, evasive and cowardly. All you are good for. Brainwashed feckless imbecile.
consider yourself defeated.
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Defeated with "factual quotes"? Baaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah now that's a good one.....
Hilariously dumb
Keep pounding your fist on the table, and DEMANDING us smart people answer your poorly constructed biased questions... And then when we don't even entertain your stupidity, you pretend like you've won some sort of argument... Lol I doubt you'll ever understand this concept... But you can't have a rational or unbiased answer to a biased question...
"What should the good Germans have done about their pesky Jew problem?"
It's like asking... "What should the white folk do about their porch monkey problem? Should they have allowed them to be their slaves, or just killed them all?" And then expecting a rational and unbiased conversation to ensue...
Consider yourself really stupid.
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Another utterly worthless toothless rejoinder.
You truly are a supine weretched whelp.
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Yup, the type of comeback from someone who knows their entire argument is based on lies and deception.
Another one so wrapped up in hate they can't even make a coherent response.
Dismissed.
If my entire argument is based on lies you won't have any trouble listing these fibs.
Go for it.
Otherwise you will be exposed for the wretch you are.
"Dismissed" - get your own line, says a lot when you have to copy the guy you're desperately trying to slate.
Clown!
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LMAO wow, satire just completely eludes you people...
And for the hundredth time... The people on our side of the argument don't need to prove a single thing, since it is all already proven to be historical fact. YOU are the ones who need to prove against that... and so far you've all done an abysmal job at that.
The only "wretch" is the one that defends Nazi's. Someone like you.
You said I was lying
I asked you to list my lies
You can't do this
You falsely accused me of lying - you lied
You have been exposed
EPIC FAIL
You are such a pathetic loser.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ohhhh.... the Retard logic back in full force....
You ARE lying... So no I never lied. Which means your last post is as worthless as you.
Fail.
You lose.
Dismissed.
Won the argument.
(And since you retards have no clue what satire is... THAT is what satire is.. me making fun of you pathetic and pretend claims to have won some argument that you are so CLEARLY not winning)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ohhhh.... the Retard logic back in full force....
You ARE lying...
Fail.
Dismissed.
Won the argument.
You claim "Jews had an inimical effect on the Germans" as a fact. That's an opinion. And you say the Holocaust didn't happen.
WOW that was ridiculously easy.... Liar
Crawl back in whatever hole you came from.
On a side note... Do you think the Germans had in inimical effect on the Jews?
Erm... they did have an inimical affect. The werd obscenely misrepresented in all occupational and financial fields - and all the points made in one of my previous posts. The one you've been avoiding.
When did I say the holocaust didn't happen? Either you are misquoting me due to stupidity or mendacity
Try harder
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I have answered your question. Unlike you. You've failed to provide a solution of your own... And I wonder why
share"Still copying me I see. The grim irony."
Look up satire, as it's already been explained numerous times. If you think I'm "copying" you... You are WAY dumber than I thought.
Are you still here? I thought you were away to prove I lied - which thus far you have utterly failed to do, exposing yourself as a moron.
Cya
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Provide a solution yourself... And maybe people will stop seeing you as the racist troll you are. Because we all know why you asked the biased question.
share"Saying" that Jews had an inimical effect on the Germans... doesn't automatically make it true. That is without question your opinion.
How is doing well for ones self... Mean that that person (or group of people) is having an inimical effect on anyone. The way you view the problem shows your true colors. I'll say it again... If you think the Jews were the "problem" in that scenario... Then it is CLEARLY you who has the same problem the Nazi's had...
Entire way of thinking completely debunked.
It's painfully obvious why you posed the question the way you did.
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The only "pathetic losers" here are the ones trying to deny a worldwide fact.
Dismissed.
FAIL.
Puke.
Nonsense.
It was once a "worldwide fact" that Dachau and Buchenwald had homicidal gas chambers. But that "worldwide fact" didn't hold up to scrutiny, eh?
Your criteria for "facts" is pathetic, Mikey.
So tell me what I said that was wrong.
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You're clearly just another bias imbecile.
the bottom line is - regardless of their being German jews - Is that Jews had an inimical effect on Germany. I've explained why. thoroughly.
You haven't countered this whatsoever except with a worthless post which refutes entirely nothing of what I said.
This isn't good enough....
try hard Big Bias Al
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What a great victory for you. Get a post deleted because the truth is inconvenient.
Bravo
What a cowardly act.
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Hence, why no one takes you seriously nor entertains you're pointless conversation.
Lol ugggh, exactly the point I was trying to get across.I don't really care about the topic either way... But how can you have an honest, un-biased conversation to a completely biased question?
And how hard is THAT to understand?
I realise if you mention anything remotely to do with questioning Jews you are labelled anti Semitic or racist.
Lol thanks Zort. This guy is so blind...
It's like me asking "Hey, just want to have an honest and impartial discussion here... but what should we do about our homosexual problem in the US?"... And then get mad at people for thinking I'm anti-gay.
The really surprising thing is how long he's sticking with it, despite its total failure. It's like a dog that's got a bone in its teeth and is being dragged by it through the sewers, the bone getting nastier and nastier, more inedible and poisonous ... but let go? Never!
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Was the entire holocaust about racism, yes and no. For some it was racism and opportunism, while others (much like today in the US) it became a herd mentality driven by fear and false promises, and for others (as pointed out in this movie) it wasn't that easy to say 'no, I won't do it.' You can't simply ask, what should they have done with the Jew's if you do not understand somewhat of the picture. You cannot ask the answer to a question without being willing to pick up some history books and learn every facet of this part of history. Because there is no ONE answer.
If you want even part of the answer you have to be willing and have the respect to read some of this. I don't claim to know everything but I did graduate with a BA in History with an emphasis on WWII Germany and the Holocaust. So I guess my opinion and facts are as good as any as you'll get here.
First you need to understand Hitler's rise to power, the threat of Communism, the failing Weimar Republic put in place by the Allies at the end of WWI, and the feelings that resulted from WWI.
The Treaty of Versailles reassigned German boundaries and assigned guilt (war reparations). This assignment of guilt , as you would figure, lead to anger and resentment. This is one of the parts that opened the door to Hitler
Communism and Russia were a growing threat and the Weimar Republic were not seen to be strong enough to keep them from the boarders. Between the great depression in America in 1929 and their failing support (for more reasons than i can state) the Nazi party (having supplanted the Social Democrats) began to rise in power (sometimes vying with the Communist party). Hitler was made Chancellor of the Schleicher Cabinet with the thought from Hindenberg and the other parties that he and the Nazi party would be one small piece of a larger solution and that he could easily be controlled.
But Hitler's popularity grew as he and his party were seen, by the masses, as an answer for Communism. He was sworn in as Chancellor in 1933.
Prior to this he saw that his racial rhetoric did not gain him ears or votes, and for a time quieted them. When he became chancellor he was able to slowly begin to whip the masses into a frenzy over the 'others' that were taking the jobs and making a profit from war torn germany. He played on these feelings of anger and resentment while promising to bring economic prosperity back to Germany (some of which came from building up their military again gearing for war so Hitler and his party could gain lebensraum/ the territory the nation needed to grow)
But to understand this 'other' concept you also have to understand that there was a distinction between Jews. There were those immigrating and there were German Jews. So while Jews were seen to be taking their jobs and money there were those immigrating that were touted to bring disease and their suffering (looking for that promised land), who only wanted to remain in their insular circles and did not want to conform to the outside world.
The German people needed something less nebulous to blame than the Allies and someone on their soil to get them organized and motivated and of a hive mind. Soon the Jew's were singled out as other, news comics depicted them as rats and the Nazi party began to spout that they were taking up the room that the German people needed to grow, money they needed and more.
[b]How could the Jews be dealt with any other way than they were when an entire population was fed the idea that these people were not human. That they were vermin When you are told and shown that a peoples are not human and are less than-then it is okay to treat them as such.
So when they were carted into ghettos, their homes and businesses taken to be given to Germans. When Germans were also taken from their homes because by the pure blood rule some of them were also Jewish (much to their own dismay), what was there to do but escalate from there? Soon they were out of sight, but still a blight on Germany.
So when the death camps did happen you had people who chose to participate, those who signed the orders, and those who looked away- knowing full well what that smoke and that smell was on the horizon. They knew full well Jew's were being burned
So your question really isn't a simple one at all. You're looking at decades of history where, unless you study it, it seems only the war and the holocaust are looked at. You need to look years and years before to find out how it came to be and why people acted as they did. There is no answer to what should have been done with 'them', we have what is. Greater scholars than I, i'm sure, have taken on this questions but it really cannot be answered in an IMDB posting
Isn't that strange, You had no problem answering or understanding the question?
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He's had one of the funnier tantrums, hasn't he. His gambit misfired from the git-go, and yet he plodded onwards as if the wheels hadn't already come off.
shareSince as predicted Zort evaded, once again to answer my questions, I'll put to you the 3 points I made in my previous post to you in the hope you'll be open to discussion on the matter.
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It's simple, gas der juden
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