The ending... The teacher - The Girl with All the Gifts (2017) Discussion

[–] Bens_Basement 8 years ago

I thought the same thing. How can she survive in that unit? Where is she getting food and drink from? I mean, they went out scavenging for supplies so there clearly wasn't any food left.

The ending was far too 'perfect' but it just didn't seem feasible.

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[–] laffitte-manon 8 years ago

Well feasible yes, there were still food inside that licence shop, I'm sure the little girl could take care of her needs. But im thinking more of a psychological point of view

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[–] cyriussnow 8 years ago

Haven't seen the film, yet, so I don't know how close to the book they go. But in the book, it's suggested that Miss Justineau feels terrible guilt at her part in the work Caldwell is doing. Her dedication to Melanie and willingness to go along with what she wants is her penance.

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[–] kathryn-78127 8 years ago

My brain was also trying to work out the practicalities. Food, water, waste. The air is contaminated with spores, so presumably the airlock can't be used, because as soon as the outer door is opened, the lock area is contaminated. Were we supposed to notice a method to clear the lock so it could be used as a transfer point?
Also, if the spores contaminated the air, don't all animals get contaminated? If so what are the hungries now eating? Did I miss someone saying animals weren't affected by it?

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[–] speculator-1 8 years ago

Were we supposed to notice a method to clear the lock so it could be used as a transfer point?

Nothing was mentioned or shown on-screen.
However, it was designed by the military scientists so there must be a way to sanitise the airlock. Otherwise it would be useless.

Also, if the spores contaminated the air, don't all animals get contaminated? If so what are the hungries now eating? Did I miss someone saying animals weren't affected by it?

Good point, didn't think of that.
Maybe it's covered in the book.

I had assumed the hungry kids would start farming cats, birds, etc so they would have a steady food supply. however, if everything is infected then that would be futile.

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[–] The_Dogg 8 years ago

Quote "Did I miss someone saying animals weren't affected by it?"

Ophiocordyceps is species specific.

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[–] thepicturesthatgotsmall 8 years ago

It must only effect humans. Otherwise, we would have seen some hungry animals in the movie.

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[–] Oblivion14 8 years ago

It only affects humans. Parasitic/symbiotic/mutualistic fungi are real and actually very common (they're almost universal among plants, most trees will die without them), and most of them are highly specialized only for a very narrow group of organisms (since their effects are often very specific).

So no. I don't think it infects other animals.

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[–] Korios 8 years ago

Also, if the spores contaminated the air, don't all animals get contaminated? If so what are the hungries now eating? Did I miss someone saying animals weren't affected by it?

It was never suggested that any animal other than man could be contaminated.
Regarding the Hungries it was specified that they were just temporary hosts of the fungus. Their ultimate goal was to be used as food source of the fungi when they sprouted. So, they were never intended to last long, and presumably they "shut off" (I have never understood why in zombie films the zombie need to sleep standing up by the way..) for long periods of time to spare energy and resources.

Regarding the airlock, since it was military grade, presumably it would have some way to vacuum the spores out. A moderately strong air pump could do the trick.

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[–] mubhceeb 8 years ago

And her vulnerability of being infected by the airborne 'spores'

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[–] badgerking10 8 years ago

I think it's a complicated ending, which - as much as I love a happy ending - makes a nice change and shows a bit of respect for the audience... Justineau is, of course, fond of Melanie, maybe feels she owes her for all the times she didn't munch her when she had the opportunity and perhaps hopes she can do a little something to educate and civilise this new form of human... However, we do see her crying before she goes out to do the lesson... No - she's not going to be able to last all that long in the mobile lab thing and, even if she could, it would be a very depressing existence.

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[–] rapadake 8 years ago

it as totally unexpected, that director fully intended to completely throw us. nice one.

However we don't know what happened after that scene, so we shouldn't assume it remained like that to kingdom come.

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[–] JasonRebourne 8 years ago

The ending was incredibly stupid.

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[–] Horse_Caulk 8 years ago

"The ending was incredibly stupid.

I don't care about a troll who doesn't pay for his opinion telling me how to review movies."

That was, by far, the silliest comment I've heard in weeks here. And this being IMDB, that equals years in the real world.

Get over yourself, little piggy.

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[–] JasonRebourne 8 years ago

She just doomed the entire world and acts like this somehow solved the problem. That's like treating someone's cancer by giving them more cancer.

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[–] Nethlem 8 years ago

She just doomed the entire world and acts like this somehow solved the problem.

The entire world? She doomed what little remained of regular ass humanity, which wouldn't have had much of a chance anyway. Even if they successfully managed to get a vaccine, that wouldn't change the fact that world was already overrun with millions, if not billions, of hungries, while the last bit of known organized human resistance just got overrun at Beacon.

That's like treating someone's cancer by giving them more cancer.

You are an excellent example of somebody who "doesn't get it", you consider yourself and humanity the epitome of what there is on this planet, even tho that's a narrative we merely keep telling ourselves to justify our vanity over all other life on this planet and the destruction of its ecosystems.

While the movie makes a pretty good point of showing that humanity isn't the end of the ladder, it's just a possible stepping stone to go further ahead. For all purpose and effect, humanity is currently the cancer of planet Earth.

Fungi evolving to take out that cancer can just as well be considered part of the natural course of action and even evolution itself because, starting with the second generation, these fungi-humans are biologically clearly superior to regular ass humans in every way.

The only thing they lacked was the proper culture/education that we've created over millennia of human existence, yet that's exactly what Helen is trying to teach them in the end, so our culture and values can live on trough them even when the last biological human dies out.

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[–] JasonRebourne 8 years ago

As long as the cocoon remained shut, humanity always had a chance. All she did was ensure its demise.

You are an excellent example of somebody who "doesn't get it"

Meaning, I'm right and you have no argument.

you consider yourself and humanity the epitome of what there is on this planet, even tho that's a narrative we merely keep telling ourselves to justify our vanity over all other life on this planet and the destruction of its ecosystems.

That's because we are. No human life, no meaningful life.

While the movie makes a pretty good point of showing that humanity isn't the end of the ladder, it's just a possible stepping stone to go further ahead. For all purpose and effect, humanity is currently the cancer of planet Earth.

No, the zombies were the cancer.

Fungi evolving to take out that cancer can just as well be considered part of the natural course of action and even evolution itself because, starting with the second generation, these fungi-humans are biologically clearly superior to regular ass humans in every way.

Apart from being mindless zombies.

The only thing they lacked was the proper culture/education that we've created over millennia of human existence, yet that's exactly what Helen is trying to teach them in the end, so our culture and values can live on trough them even when the last biological human dies out.

Unfortunately, they are too stupid to be taught.

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[–] Nethlem 8 years ago

As long as the cocoon remained shut, humanity always had a chance. All she did was ensure its demise.

Sure, they just gonna rebuild humanity with one dude, an old lady and a somewhat young lady and these three gonna get rid of all the hungries! The cocoons opening was only a matter of time it wasn't a matter of if they are opening it was merely a matter of when.

Meaning, I'm right and you have no argument.

Sure, as long as you keep on ignoring above mentioned circumstances I have "no argument" at all 😫

That's because we are. No human life, no meaningful life. No, the zombies were the cancer.

Cancer upon humanity but most likely a rather positive thing for Earth as a whole.
Because in the long run those hungries would evolve further to a point where they don't even need to eat meat anymore and get all their sustenance from minerals straight out of the ground, at least according to the book, which is quite a bit more friendly to the environment (aka Earth) compared to massive monocultures of food plants and massive farms of livestock.

Apart from being mindless zombies.

Melanie sure seemed mindless.. did we even watch the same movie? I'm starting to doubt that. 😕

Unfortunately, they are too stupid to be taught.

Says JasonRebourne who thinks it's entirely probable for 3 people to kickstart old-school humanity again, against the odds of millions of first generation hungries and the permanent prospect of the spores being released and thus even turning the air they breathe into something hostile to them, of course that's gonna work.

In that regard "too stupid to be taught" sure seems to apply, it's merely a matter to whom it applies. 😑

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[–] JasonRebourne 8 years ago

Sure, they just gonna rebuild humanity with one dude, an old lady and a somewhat young lady and these three gonna get rid of all the hungries! The cocoons opening was only a matter of time it wasn't a matter of if they are opening it was merely a matter of when.

You really they were the last humans left?

Also, the cocoon only opened because of one dumb bitch. It probably would have stayed shut had she not screwed everything up.

Sure, as long as you keep on ignoring above mentioned circumstances I have "no argument" at all 😫

I don't need to "ignore" it, you simply have no argument. Try again, fool.

Cancer upon humanity but most likely a rather positive thing for Earth as a whole.
Because in the long run those hungries would evolve further to a point where they don't even need to eat meat anymore and get all their sustenance from minerals straight out of the ground, at least according to the book, which is quite a bit more friendly to the environment (aka Earth) compared to massive monocultures of food plants and massive farms of livestock.

But without intelligent life, it would be completely worthless.

Melanie sure seemed mindless.. did we even watch the same movie? I'm starting to doubt that. 😕

Yeah, she probably died in about year or so.

Says JasonRebourne who thinks it's entirely probable for 3 people to kickstart old-school humanity again, against the odds of millions of first generation hungries and the permanent prospect of the spores being released and thus even turning the air they breathe into something hostile to them, of course that's gonna work.

Says Nethlem who assumes these three people were the last of humanity. Who thinks its impossible for other humans to be alive. Who believes the spores were an inevitability. Who thinks mindless zombies can inherit the Earth.

In that regard "too stupid to be taught" sure seems to apply, it's merely a matter to whom it applies. 😑

I guess that would be you. Its been fun watching you make a fool of yourself but I grow bored of your trolling. Welcome to ignore.

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[–] kuuk3 8 years ago

The girl was acting irrationally, but she's only 13 and doesnt want to die.

However it doesn't change the other issues. Why did the team go through London on foot, when they could clearly see the horde? Just because its more direct! Take the long and safe way round for crying out loud.

The soldier who forgets to put the suspressor on his gun, where has he been living in this world for 13 years! Why did he even take it off?

The horde and their food source. Its proven that the girl needs to eat, and likes worms. So what was the food source for the Zombies for the last 13+ years?

How did the dog in the house, and the black cat survive for 13 years?

When the Zombie horde broke through the fence at the start. How? Presumably it looked like it had held for years. If it was showing any signs of falling, they would have just dug a ditch in front of it, and piled up old cars as an inner wall. They even had to open the gate to let the truck out, so how exactly did they even get inside since the fence looked intact!
And shouldn't they been driving over them all from the outside to stop them getting so large in number?

The girl is a threat, and might try to bite us. I know, lets knock out all her teeth. Then she's no-longer a threat. Or superglue her lips shut. Or break her elbows. All these things make her safer, without affecting her brain. Even tying her shoelaces together would help.

The radio does not work. So we'll use the mobile phone once we get into town. Because satellites in orbit are picky like that.

Here is a solar powered truck, just waiting for you to use. It has its own lab in the back because... it has fuel in it which still works because thats normal after 13 years... it comes with solar lights, which also runs the air filter because... the glass door is zombie proof, even though a metal army fence was not.

13 years, and yet lack of ammo is not a problem. But drinking uncontaminated river water is apparently fine.

We need to search an entire hospital. So lets all split up because thats been such a good idea in the past!

And don't get me started on why they let the only black guy, who doesn't know how to use a suppressor go outside on his own and find food for the white people to eat...

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[–] laffitte-manon 8 years ago

Well you are a difficult viewer! Haha. Ok you're making good points but i'm not so interested about those details. Yes some decisions don't seem smart but when you got to make a movie, you got to make a movie.
I think the biggest plot hole is not why the dog kept alive for 13years but how can the teacher keep the will to live
But i do agree with all your points

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[–] hogcmaurice 8 years ago

The thing is, she didn't have a choice. She passed out and the next thing she knew, the world has ended.Personally, i think if not for the zombie kids, she might have committed suicide already. Who knows? She probably could have long after the credits ended. I mean we do see her lying on the bed crying at the end. She most likely will breakdown in the near future.

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[–] laffitte-manon 8 years ago

Yes she might. But i would have thought the end of humanity is something that hits you harder and faster

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[–] Hancockenstein 8 years ago

maybe she's religious and doesn't want to commit suicide. eh I think being a dedicated teacher is enough explanation for me. i'm sure she's not completely happy but she is being kind of a mother to a new mankind.

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[–] sanguefreddo 8 years ago

Why did the team go through London on foot, when they could clearly see the horde?

Supplies, shelter, enviroment they are used to and can move with relative ease, lots of man-made obstacles to use... And they could at least see the horde there, better than in an overgrown wilderness. Direct means less time exposed to danger. (And the direct route could have worked if the doc just lets them stay sneaky.)

The soldier who forgets to put the suspressor on his gun, where has he been living in this world for 13 years! Why did he even take it off?

Even his superior was poorly trained and did what he did by experience, the fungus came fast, soldiers died by the hundreds... I guess most of them lived "sheltered" in army stations and rarely went on field trips this unprepared, unusual and stressful. They probs took the guns apart regurarly to clean them btw, and I think that one was actually found in the vehicle.

Its proven that the girl needs to eat

Does she? I need to rewatch... It seemed she didn't need to eat, she just did it to be sated enough to not munch on her friendlies...

How did the dog in the house, and the black cat survive for 13 years?

They didn't. A cat rarely survives for that long. They were born after the apocalypse. If animals are not infected, they have better chances tha humans, at least some of them, because they are smaller, their senses are better, they are faster, they reproduce faster. Have you seen a cat flee? The real question is: Why didn't they flee from Melanie?

When the Zombie horde broke through the fence at the start. How? [...] how exactly did they even get inside?

Unusually large and violent attack, it was mentioned, wasn't it? And they took out just one panel probably, or someone tried to open a gate to escape and let a bunch in...

And shouldn't they been driving over them all from the outside to stop them getting so large in number?

They should have. If they were prepared and they had enough men. They fracked up!

The girl is a threat, and might try to bite us.

But she's just a little girl, clever, funny, caring, creative... Creepy as hell, but to torture something that looks that human... Wow, that takes a serious streak of inhuman. And she's _Melanie_, everyone saw her growing up, they might have heard her first words, her first bubbling laughter... Check how careless the teacher is with her, they keep forgetting it's not human, they can't exactly believe it... AND the sarge has a daughter out there, it might even be Melanie, or she would look like her...

Here is a solar powered truck, just waiting for you to use.

Because whoever used this near undestructable mostly solar powered military wonder at some unspecified time in the last 13 years was suddenly eaten by the kids and couldn't take it back to the base.

13 years, and yet lack of ammo is not a problem. But drinking uncontaminated river water is apparently fine.

Few people left shooting. At first they sure did boost bullet production, and military has a huge reserve anyway. There were no spores yet, no dead anything near the water because of the virus, no toxic human activity for a decade, I assume that yes, uncontaminated river water should be fine (and weren't those one of them water cleaning bottles?)

And don't get me started on

Then don't start! It has to do with rank and not skin color. Just let it go. Please.

Also, what am I doing with my life answering stupid threads on stupid webpages? I just came here to find out if there was an extra scene after the credits, and I still don't know that, but I did download some articles on Uncanny Valley and psychological effects of torturing someone...

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[–] antvolley 8 years ago

Someone has posted the ending from the book that was taken out at the editor's request.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4547056/board/thread/264705913

I think that last paragraph is great.

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[–] Caractacus23 8 years ago

The girl was acting irrationally, but she's only 13 and doesnt want to die.

Her behavior was entirely rational, just in a manner that most people might find distasteful, or overly selfish. She simply ceased identifying as a standard homo sapien, and began identifying as a homo sapien-fungal symbiant. Once you accept that, all her actions are rational, and make perfect sense.

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[–] Dennerman 8 years ago

You ask good questions and I thought you ought to know that in the book most of these have good answers. I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't know how it's presented there, but here are some things from the book that might help:

However it doesn't change the other issues. Why did the team go through London on foot, when they could clearly see the horde? Just because its more direct! Take the long and safe way round for crying out loud.

With the E-Blocker masking their scent, as long as they don't make sudden movements or noise it is safe. Sgt. Parks had done many years worth of "grab bag" runs and felt confident that going through the city was better because it would be more likely to provide them with food and water they could scavenge.

The soldier who forgets to put the suspressor on his gun, where has he been living in this world for 13 years! Why did he even take it off?

There were no suppressors in the book, not sure when this takes place since I haven't seen the movie.

The horde and their food source. Its proven that the girl needs to eat, and likes worms. So what was the food source for the Zombies for the last 13+ years?

The hungries metabolize protein incredibly well. The kids only needed one bowl of grubs each week, and they didn't even need that much food. An infected body could exist for years without more food, eventually the fungus infection would begin to break down the host body itself for food, consuming it slowly over years.

How did the dog in the house, and the black cat survive for 13 years?

No answer, but animals with natural predators survive in all kinds of places, I can only assume this is similar.

When the Zombie horde broke through the fence at the start. How? Presumably it looked like it had held for years. If it was showing any signs of falling, they would have just dug a ditch in front of it, and piled up old cars as an inner wall. They even had to open the gate to let the truck out, so how exactly did they even get inside since the fence looked intact!

In the book the Junkers (human scavengers) drove the horde forward in a large enough mass to topple the fences. The fences were more than sufficient for normal hungry activity, but when being forced forward in such large numbers it couldn't hold up.

And shouldn't they been driving over them all from the outside to stop them getting so large in number?

In the book the Junkers (covered in tar to mask their scent from the hungries) are following behind and shooting the people at the base so almost none of them had a chance to escape.

The girl is a threat, and might try to bite us. I know, lets knock out all her teeth. Then she's no-longer a threat. Or superglue her lips shut. Or break her elbows. All these things make her safer, without affecting her brain. Even tying her shoelaces together would help.

It is both blood and saliva that spreads the infection, but not having teeth would certainly make one of them less of a threat. That's a good idea.

The radio does not work. So we'll use the mobile phone once we get into town. Because satellites in orbit are picky like that.

No mobile phones in the book. They have lost communication with Beacon, the city from which they are deployed to the outer base, and they say it could be because the communication tower had to be moved and they no longer are sighted in on it.

Here is a solar powered truck, just waiting for you to use. It has its own lab in the back because... it has fuel in it which still works because thats normal after 13 years... it comes with solar lights, which also runs the air filter because... the glass door is zombie proof, even though a metal army fence was not.

Gas should not work after a few years, it breaks down, good point.

13 years, and yet lack of ammo is not a problem. But drinking uncontaminated river water is apparently fine.

Not sure what part this is from. No book equivalent.

We need to search an entire hospital. So lets all split up because thats been such a good idea in the past!

Meh, that's neither here nor there I think.

And don't get me started on why they let the only black guy, who doesn't know how to use a suppressor go outside on his own and find food for the white people to eat...

In the book it's the solider and the teacher who go foraging. Later the soldier runs off on his own because he doesn't want to get back to the city. There are personal deamons there he joined the army to get away from.

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[–] tenshinhan_san 8 years ago

Some very good points there.

The black guy going out to find food for the 'white people' was a bit of a step over though, you don't need to see race in everything (at least I hope you don't), he was coincidentally black and the last lowest ranked soldier, so yes he would do more of the grunt work, but he also annoyed me because of how much of a pussy he was, just pull the grenade pin, you're going to die either way!

Such a great opportunity to kill all those stupid, annoying kids.

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[–] TwentytoOneDevotchka 8 years ago

Why does this particular dog and cat have to have survived 13 years? Im sure strays were still mating and creating offspring for the 13 years that have gone by. Perhaps the dog was only 1 year old..?

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[–] cthulhulurks 8 years ago

Zombies dont need much food, they feed on humans primarily to spread the fungus. The fungus takes care of them and they can survive in a half- vegetative state.

Ammo is recycled and manifactured in military bases.

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[–] Korios 8 years ago

Largely valid points, except :
We cannot be so sure about all the "13 years" you mentioned, since we never got specific dates. Maybe London lasted much longer, who knows.

Lack of ammo : we know there were a few functional military bases in the UK until the film started. Since it was an emergency situation we can safely assume that they did not spend their ammo on military exercises with other NATO countries (we do not even know if that was a UK specific infestation, unlike the film 28 days later), but that they saved all their ammo to protect the scientists and whoever else was working on a cure. Who knows, perhaps a bullet manufacturing facility was still functioning up until a few years ago.
We also do not know how often, if at all, they were attacked by Hungries in their Hotel Echo base.

Hungries sustenance : Unlike the hybrid children Hungries frequently "shut off". My guess is that they did that to save energy, to keep them "alive" until their numbers were high enough to enter a "fungus sprouting mode". Which was the only goal of their existence. I notice that some of them were lying in the ground, presumably dead, so perhaps not all of them made to the fungus food source stage.
We also do not know how low the fungus allowed them to drop their metabolism when they "shut off". Well, assuming they even had a metabolism. Perhaps only the fungus had a metabolism, using them slowly as its food source, with the rest of them being functionally dead.

Regarding the dog in the house : Yes, that was by far the film's lowest and most ridiculous point in my opinion. It is sad when plot hole-ish elemets are used as plot devices because the writer ran out of sane ideas to advance the plot..
I have less of a problem with the black cat. Unlike the dog she was not trapped in an empty house.

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[–] The_Grither 8 years ago

I don't know, she could also see it as the chance to shape the future of humanity. It's very likely that this will be the only group of 2nd generation hungries to have access to a human willing and able to teach them so she pretty much has a monopoly on the groundwork for humanity 2.0.

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[–] laffitte-manon 8 years ago

Yes but it does take some gut to lower your existence to teaching another humanity. She has no more hope for herself. How do you survive without hope?

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[–] speculator-1 8 years ago

She can't survive.

Her life expectancy is a few decades at most, in the deleted chapter from the book she survives at least until Melanie has kids of her own (say a decade) but it's a very slow death sentence.

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[–] laffitte-manon 8 years ago

Yep. Thanks.

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[–] 000000000000000000000000 8 years ago

She can't survive.

Her life expectancy is a few decades at most, in the deleted chapter from the book she survives at least until Melanie has kids of her own (say a decade) but it's a very slow death sentence.

A few decades? *beep* that :D She has exactly as long as it would take for the air filters to clog or break down. Which would be a matter of days, not even weeks or years.

And that is ignoring how getting safe food or water to her is impossible. So she has a week at most. Except they were already suffering from starvation and thirst supposedly so she has even less time.

The whole ending was kind of wank really.

That is without really getting into how the mass release of spores should have zombified Melanie and the other ferals due to overloading thier systems.

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[–] jmaclac 8 years ago

In the book, she states that she is doing penance for accidentally killing a young boy before the apocalypse happened. She hit him with her car one night, and was never caught or confessed.

She realises that it will be a bleak existence. But decides that it is a fitting punishment for the death of the boy, and her participation in Caldwell's experiments on the zombie kids.

I imagine that she would eventually commit suicide though. Being the last human would suck big time!

I can't wait for this to be released in Canada!

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[–] thepicturesthatgotsmall 8 years ago

Justineau was always shown to care about the hungry children just as much as she would any human child.

THEY were her hope for the future, and she didn't care that they were another humanity.

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[–] shadow_map 8 years ago

I agree on this interpretation as well.

I think maybe the best point that can be taken from the movie is that humanity isn't necessary about the human species per se, but rather about our culture, values, knowledge, etc that we pass on.. So in a way she saves the humanity by educating the hungries.

That could also be how Melanie reasoned when she acted the way she acted. She thought this was the best chance of preserving "humanity".

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

Its not a happy ending for her. That's why she is crying.

But she realises humanity is different now, her kind are finished. But she can educate these kids and pass on knowledge so that 'humanity' is not totally lost.

Its a good ending.

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[–] smidget28 (800) 5 years ago

Exactly. She's unhappy, crying, but also trying to pass at least SOME of humanity on to the kids....

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