Will this pull the industry out of it's
current doldrums?
Stay tuned as we await the preview numbers.
Meh..if it takes this film to do it...who cares?
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Rumor has it in the single digits last night.
share...annnnd It's 8.5 million.
*crickets*
This was supposed to be the most anticipated sequel in animation history?
8.5 million is a good number for Thursday preview, expect this to have an impressive run, obviously you feel otherwise as you hate Disney and can’t stand it’s success because you are very jelous
shareIt's posting good numbers, yes, but it is still underperforming domestically.
share100 million in 2 days , lol oh queen another failed attempt haha so funny to see
share127 million domestically in 3 days? hahahaha another failed attempt from queen.
shareObjectively just how is Frozen II underperforming QFU? Seriously? What objective criteria are you using for your subjectively opinionated and highly suggestive comment?
Maybe that it's a sequel to the highest grossing animated film of all time and it's domestic OW didn't come close to the record?
shareSo just how is Frozen II underperforming domestically QueenFanUSA? As of Frozen II's 35th day of domestic release here are the totals:
GrossesMind you that is for ONLY 35 days. In 161 days Frozen's Total Domestic gross was $400,227,936. So care to explain just HOW Frozen II is underperforming?
Domestic (34.8%) $404,790,889
International (65.2%) $757,200,000
Worldwide $1,161,990,889
Has the entire film industry been lifted OUT of the current doldrums? We were "staying tuned" for the preview numbers but it appears that you abandoned the board as you had nothing to Troll the film over.
You can still deride Frozen II's performance for not matching Japan's tremendous success of ~$250 Million for Frozen. You might as well go ahead and get that one out the way. share
Is the fact that Japan not going to even hit 100 million not noteworthy?
The first film was a phenomenon at almost 1.3 billion. This sequel will, most likely, not hit that.
Compare that to Despicable Me, Toy Story, the Minions...or Shrek 2.
Not very impressive.
So what was it that made you state that Frozen II had an underperforming domestic tally lo those many days ago? You've yet to provide any insight on that.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2682) an hour agoNo it is most decidedly NOT noteworthy. Why? Because Frozen's (2013) Japan total was outsized, unexpected and not remotely reproduceable. In that same year and release China was $48 Million. For Frozen II (2019) China will come in at $111 Million and Japan will be ~$76 Million. TS4 (2019) did $29 Million in China and $94 Million for Japan. There was never an expectation that Frozen II as a Disney product would have these out-sized returns on Box Office. As you have described Frozen's (2013) as a phenomenon I'm pretty sure that pedestrian assessment mirrors many industry analysts. You can't over-perform in one market and then a subsequent iteration be expected to match that performance. Otherwise it wasn't an OVER-performance.
Is the fact that Japan not going to even hit 100 million not noteworthy?
That is, unless you have a bias and/or an agenda to promulgate? 😎
The first film was a phenomenon at almost 1.3 billion. This sequel will, most likely, not hit that.So to YOU the Box Office grosses for those films were impressive; and yet Shrek 2 (2004) as a sequel is $75 Million short of the Billion Dollar threshold and Frozen II has with only 35 days in release, out grossed Minions WW. None of those films grossed $100 Million in Japan. Are you sure those films are your standard bearers for Box Office Impressiveness?
Compare that to Despicable Me, Toy Story, the Minions...or Shrek 2.
Not very impressive.
None of those distractions explain your statement of Frozen II underperforming though? Now do they?
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Lol...Shrek 2 was released in 2004 and in today's dollars would equal 1.5 billion and Minions was a spin-off of the Despicable Me franchise with a production budget of 70 million.
share[–] QueenFanUSA (2697) 3 days agoWrong. No. Nicht! Nada! Nyet!
Lol...Shrek 2 was released in 2004 and in today's dollars would equal 1.5 billion and Minions was a spin-off of the Despicable Me franchise with a production budget of 70 million.
Why am I saying you're wrong?
I thought Box Office watching was your Hobby? Your passion? Your thrill?
Since when did ticket price inflation adjustment include international dollars QueenFanUsa?
Oh, that's right, "It Doesn't". So, No. Shrek 2 adjusted for inflation would NOT be $1.5 Billion dollars. So, NO. Shrek 2 isn't the poster child for an impressive answer to Frozen II's WW financial accomplishments. Now is it?
So just how is Frozen II underperforming domestically QueenFanUSA? As of Frozen II's 38th day of domestic release here are the totals:
All ReleasesAgain, so how was it that Frozen II, (in your opinion) was underperforming domestically again, lo those many days ago? By what gauge, standard or metric did you arrive at that STUNNING statement?
Domestic (34.6%) $421,682,862
International (65.4%) $798,395,876
Worldwide $1,220,078,738
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[–] QueenFanUSA (2708) a month agoObjectively just how is Frozen II underperforming QFU? Seriously? What objective criteria are you using for your subjective opinionated and highly suggestive comment? share
It's posting good numbers, yes, but it is still underperforming domestically.
It’s not under performing, it’s done incredibly well domestically and internationally, alas queen won’t admit this as he has this hatred for Disney box office performance, strange how he didn’t comment on it universals cats bo bomb , if that was a Disney movie you would never hear the last of it
share"This was supposed to be the most anticipated sequel in animation history?"
Said nobody.
Are you serious?
shareI would have said Toy Story 2, but then again I don't have an anal fixation on box office numbers.
shareWhat do you base that on f not on "box office numbers"?
shareI'm basing it on the phenomenal success of the original movie and all its merchandise, the newspaper headlines when shops ran out of Buzz Lightyear toys, the very popular attractions at Disneyland, the broader appeal etc. etc.
Meanwhile here:
https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-range-forecast-frozen-ii-a-beautiful-day-in-the-neighborhood-and-21-bridges/
predicts an Opening Weekend Range: $115 – 145 million. Which is what Frozen 2 achieved.
You do know that Frozen was the highest grossing animated film of all time, right?
shareFrozen II has now become the highest grossing animated release of all time worldwide reaching $1.325 billion worldwide
shareIt'll take more than one to dig out of the hole this late in the year.
Need TLJ+ to do it
Okay guys...it looks like a 130 million opening. That's very good and is the shot in the arm the industry needed. It should be able to have a strong hold through the Thanksgiving holiday. How it performs after THAT will give us a good idea of whether this matches the first film's domestic box office.
sharehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/24/frozen-2-breaks-box-office-records-with-350-million-worldwide-debut/
Did this news make you cry queen ? hahahaha loser
I doubt it. They've pumped so much money in promotion and merchandise, they'll never earn it back.
shareOne successful sequel to a super-successful original doesn't mean the industry is turned around. Summer 2019 was the worst in recent memory, and don't forget that in 2020 we have Ghostbusters 3 in the pipe. Somehow, I'm not optimistic.
shareYou're not wrong.
Also, the jury is still out to just how successful Frozen II will be in the end. I still haven't been able to find any info on it's production budget and it may not hit the 1.2 billion that the first did worldwide.
Of course it is going to be profitable but it's LEGS will determine whether or not it can be labled a disappointment or not.
Wasn't the production budget for Frozen $150 Million and the current budget for Frozen II $170 Million?
shareWhere did you find the budget for Frozen II?
Can you find billbrown as well?
The jury’s still out? What , you? It’s made 736 million in 2 weeks , it’s crossing a billion and it’s a smashing hit so suck it up
shareAnd international is already slowing considerably. The first film made 250 million in Japan alone and it looks like this one may struggle to even hit 100 million there.
Yes it's a success but "the jury is still out" on just HOW successful and if it just barely crosses a billion and falls 100-200 million short of the first film, that would be considered a mild disappointment at least.
Says who ?
shareSays me, obviously. I can come to my own conclusions.
shareWhich are extremely bias to fit in with you're anti Disney agenda, im calling it, this will make more than the 1st
shareI hope it does. I really enjoyed it
share"I'm calling it, this will make more than the first."
Still want to stand by that, furiousstyles?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Yep
shareDropping like a rock domestically and internationally.
share[–] QueenFanUSA (2590) 32 minutes agoWhat are you reading (besides tea-leaves) that details how Frozen II is performing domestically & internationally? And dropping like a rock as compared to what?
Dropping like a rock domestically and internationally.
Your expectations?
Frozen I?
Previous Animated Films opening in November?
Is this a "Fact-Based" objective rock dropping or is this a "Subjective opinionated" non-criteria Rock Dropping? I am seriously asking. share
Wait for the numbers and decide for yourself.
shareYep and yet again you will look the fool
share[–] QueenFanUSA (2591) 38 minutes agoWait for what numbers? You can SEE future numbers? So in essence you don't have any numbers and are just making a "wish" or an ill-timed "prediction"? According to you, you don't MAKE predictions! You wrote the following:
Wait for the numbers and decide for yourself.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2591) 2 hours agoYou are stating and so-called "Reporting" on the financial performance for Frozen II as if it is currently happening or has already happened. The grammatical tense of Dropping is past/present continuous.
Dropping like a rock domestically and internationally.
So what financial numbers are you using to determine for "Yourself" that Frozen II is dropping like a rock internationally and domestically? Sharing is caring.👌
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Friday's numbers of 7.8 million.
shareSo what financial numbers are you using?
[–] QueenFanUSA (2594) 10 hours agoAre you saying you have 7.8 Million numbers, otherwise $7.8 Million is only one (1) number, you know, singular and how is it with that (1) one number of $7.8 Million for Friday you can tell that Frozen II's boxoffice performance is falling like a rock internationally as well as domestic? Is $7.8 Million a Nostradamus number or something? share
Friday's numbers of 7.8 million.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2718) a month agoThis is not a tricky test QueenFanUSA nor is this a riddle. Question 1: Between the two film's financial summaries below which one is greater than the other in Domestic and Worldwide grosses?
Dropping like a rock domestically and internationally.
Frozen II:
Domestic (34%) $450,439,533 International (66%) $875,912,917 Worldwide $1,326,352,450
Frozen:
Domestic (31%) $400,738,009 International (68.7%) $880,064,273 Worldwide $1,280,802,282
Question 2: What is the alias name for a poster on this board that stated unequivocally that a certain film was "Dropping Like a Rock both Domestically and internationally?
Question 3: If a north bound plane crashes on the borders of the USA and Canada, where do they bury the survivors? share
That's why nobody can take you seriously. You're judging weather a movie is a success or not based exclusively on your own personal agenda.
shareWhy is it Disney and or Frozen II's cross to bear to get the 2019 film season out of its "doldrums"? What happened to the other studios?
shareDid I say it's their responsibility?
No, I didn't.
November box office was depressed and Frozen II was the last big release.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2580) a day agoSure you did. See below of your OP.
Did I say it's their responsibility?
No, I didn't.
November box office was depressed and Frozen II was the last big release.
Will this pull the industry out of it'sYou're on the Frozen II board and isn't that what the word "This" applies too?
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current doldrums?
You follow Boxoffice as a hobby and Disney is your favorite studio. 🤣 That one always cracks me up because you Hate-follow Disney. 😂
The following movies are due in December:
Jumanji 12/13
SW:TRoS 12/20
Cats 12/20
Spies in Disguise 12/15
So unless the Industry doldrums began and ended on November 22nd, 2019 you quite pointedly singled out Frozen II with carrying the cross all the way through the end of the year as the "Last Big Release" to pull the industry out of its doldrums. Not the archaic Doldrum, but Doldrums plural.
I guess the 2019 Boxoffice needs Frozen II like Princess Leia Organa needed Obi-Wan, "Help me Frozen II, you're my only hope."
Stay tuned as we await the preview numbers.And? Did the preview Numbers prevail? Has the 2019 Galactic Financial Box-Office Empire been righted? Will Disney's Frozen II receive a Medal of Fiduciary Valor?
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You realize that 2 of the 4 films you mentioned are also Disney releases, right?
shareSome times your true agenda is shown with the next subsequent post. Initially it was about Frozen II rescuing the "Industry" from the current doldrums and now it is Disney (and Disney alone)...:
[–] QueenFanUSA (2581) 4 hours ago...that has to re-start the fires I guess because the other studios surrendered or succumbed to their normal box office mediocrity? It's like that saying: http://decalmaniastudio.com/images/small/ifyoucantrunwiththebigdogs.jpg !
You realize that 2 of the 4 films you mentioned are also Disney releases, right?
As normal you'll find some way to spin, and spin and spin Frozen II's performance into a negative.
China down, Japan down, domestic down, no legs, budget too high, $2 Billion WW was expected, $650 Million domestic was expected, merchandising is down, songs aren't memorable...but, but, but
Then finally you'll say, "But I really enjoyed it"! 🙄 🥱 🙄
How would I know where BillBrown is? You and he are Keyboard buddies. share
Greatest post ever on queenfanusa mentality towards Disney, any other studio and he would be creaming his pants.
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