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Great Cast, Except Stewart



I just finished watching Hanna & Her Sisters, one of my top 3 or 4 favorite films of his (Crime & Misdemeanors, Interiors, Husbands and Wives, Amother Woman and Manhattan Murder Mystery being my other top favorites of his), and I came here to check what else is up next for him.What an icon Woody Allen is-----no title has yet been assigned, and very little storyline has yet been revealed; however, the IMDB board is filled with people antocipating still another very entertaining movie from him.

I like Jesse Eisenberg, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE both Judy Davis and Parker Posey, and Steve Carrell should be great as well. Kristen Stewart, on the other hand, is not my favorite, at all. Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

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I have enjoyed countless of Woody's films and I'm truly anxious to see his next collaboration with these amazing actors. I also read that Woody will be the narrator for this is what I call an extra spot of love.
Never knowing what to expect from him I was pleased with the cast, sorry Bruce dropped out but Steve is equally brilliant and I look especially forward to Kristen Stewart and Jesse Eisenberg working together again. After Adventure land and American Ultra, their chemistry is always fun to see.
I adore Blake & Parker as well. This film feels right... another of Wood's best?

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I guess I don't have a bias because I've never seen Twilight. Stewart has worked with Olivier Assayas (Carlos, Summer Hours) on Clouds of Sils Maria and the forthcoming Personal Shopper. He's no slouch.

Now she's worked with Woody. She'll be fine.

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And she's also doing a movie with Ang Lee. Does everyone remember what he did for Heath Ledger, Jake Gyllenhaal, Michelle Williams and Anne Hathaway for "Brokeback Mountain"?

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Is your keyboard broken? I can't understand you. Not only that but you don't offer any analysis of Stewart except that you don't like her which is only rude.

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Agreed. I've never seen the Twilight movies (nor wanted to), but the more 'other' movies I've seen of Kristen Stewart, the more impressed I am with her. She is a really great actress, and I just can't understand all the venom towards her, at all.

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It's infuriating really. It's like people pretend they aren't real people and just attack them because it's a meme, because it's popular amongst other mean people to attempt to destroy them.

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She was truly great in 'Speak', but so good in most everything else I've seen since then.

And I agree with you - most of the people who 'hate' her, probably have never even seen her movies, or if they have, they already had a pre-conceived notion about her and fought like hell NOT to give her a chance.

All the morons posting things like 'worst actress ever' must not have seen a lot of movies. I've seen hundreds, probably thousands, of TV shows/movies in which I've seen actresses/actors that aren't in the same league as Stewart.

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It's a type of fad that pops up, and certain personalities are attracted and sustain their self-perception and esteem by participating in the fad, to hate particular actors/actresses. It's an antithesis of faddish love for actor/actresses. "Oh, it's cool to hate Shia LaBeouf, let's hate Shia forever because of one meme."

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^^^^^^ Well said.

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The problem with SLB is that like many actors of this genereation ( James Franco, Christian Bale, etc) is that there arent enough movies for them. An actor is a "product" first and an actor second. This is why I would categorise Le Bouf as a bad actor despite his talent. To be a good product you need talent, acting skills, a good manager, good casting and so on. Shia le bouf is a good actor but he is naive to think that he can act in a handful of non-mainstream films to undo the damage done to him by his Transformers years. The best actors are not picky about roles but the roles pick them. It is the demand for their acting that drives them. Demand does not mean his teenage fanbase but how directors view him. Luckily, I think with his new film he will finally be able to outfox all his detractors. But I will always hate him not because he is a douchebag but I think art needs it critics.

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This is why I would categorise Le Bouf as a bad actor despite his talent. To be a good product you need talent, acting skills, a good manager, good casting and so on. Shia le bouf is a good actor but he is naive to think that he can act in a handful of non-mainstream films to undo the damage done to him by his Transformers years.


The same can be said about Stewart, who despite starring in mostly indies over the past four years, cannot seem to live down the way many moviegoers perceive her as an actress because of her role as Bella in Twilight. In my opinion she made the best of a one-dimensional role and for this reason shouldn't be judged exclusively by her role in this franchise.

Some overlook a great acting performance in a mediocre film while praising a mediocre acting performance in a film sometimes just because its critically acclaimed and commercially successful. Collectively, even Oscar voters sometimes do the same as Oscar snubs and coattail nods happen every year.

For myself, one of the best indicators that an actor has talent is if he/she continues to receive critical praise regardless of whether the film is acclaimed or panned, whether it's a small budget indie or a big budget blockbuster, or whether its a four-quadrant/tentpole or an art house film. In Stewart's case she has received critical praise for her performances in films such as Clouds of Sils Maria, Still Alice, Cafe Society and more recently, Bill Lynn's Long Halftime Walk and Personal Shopper.

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I've seen most of her movies and she isn't as bad as some say, but she isn't nearly as great as writers - and you and her fans - make her out to be.

>>I've seen hundreds, probably thousands, of TV shows/movies in which I've seen actresses/actors that aren't in the same league as Stewart.

You're acting like she's some really great actress when she's not. Sure, she was good in Speak but that was how many years ago. It's like a Jamie Bell fan mentioning Billy Elliot, granted that performance was greater than anything Stewart has done (even CoSM).

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I've seen most of her movies and she isn't as bad as some say, but she isn't nearly as great as writers - and you and her fans - make her out to be.


I'll agree with this. I've since watched more of her recent movies, and have not cared for them as much, though a lot of it has to do with the subject matter.

You're acting like she's some really great actress when she's not.


She's not a 'great' actress, but she's above average, and like I said, she'll best a great many that I've watched previously.

It's like a Jamie Bell fan mentioning Billy Elliot, granted that performance was greater than anything Stewart has done (even CoSM).


Never saw Billy Elliot (nor wanted to), so I can't comment. I couldn't stand Clouds of Sils Maria.

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Wrong, she was fantastic.

Best part of the movie

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You'll be a public embarrassment when she wins Best Supporting Actress at the Oscars next spring. She's superb.

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It was a great take on life in the 1930s. Lots of humor. Jesse was great in it, he does humor so well. Really liked Kristen - she played a fun part, upbeat, beautiful. Great job. I liked Blake Lively, Parker Posey, Steve Carell. All actors that I like in most roles that I see them in. Woody seems to enjoy the older themes in his movies, and does a good job at it. I saw his Curse of the Jade Scorpion a while ago and that was another kind of blast from the past themed movie.

I loved the scenery, beautiful/nostalgic old time sets and sites, some great old/antique cars like the convertible that Kristen drove.

As for those bashing Stewart, she's been on quite a roll just with her last half dozen or more movies over the past few years. Getting a lot of excellent critical praise.


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As for those bashing Stewart, she's been on quite a roll just with her last half dozen or more movies over the past few years. Getting a lot of excellent critical praise.


Like I mentioned on another thread, Stewart received more prestigious critical acclaim for her performance in Clouds of Sils Maria last year than any 2015 Best Supporting Actress Oscar contender, nominee and winner (i.e., New York Film Critics Circle, National Society of Film Critics, Los Angeles Film Critics Association). Yes, Stewart received more prestigious critical acclaim from the top critics groups in the world than 2015 BSA Oscar winner Alicia Vikander.

Stewart has become quite the critics darling thus far in 2016, for her performance in Cafe Society.





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So I take it you're a fan?

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Wow did you make this?

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Even with her small role, she still practically ruined "Still Alice".


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"Lots of lovely ceilings."

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Even with her small role, she still practically ruined "Still Alice".

@tzukeeper ITA

Stewart took me completely out of the movie & nearly destroyed the whole thing

I like many Woody Allen movies but haven't yet seen Cafe Society because Kristen Stewart has been really bad in the few things I've seen her in.

I will give it a try because there are so few movies out there worth seeing.

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I like Jesse Eisenberg, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE both Judy Davis and Parker Posey, and Steve Carrell should be great as well. Kristen Stewart, on the other hand, is not my favorite, at all. Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to seeing it.


It appears you got it all backwards--or at least according to the top professional film critics who by their reviews, turn what you say on its head by the fact that they are showering accolades upon Stewart--many going as far as stating that she was the best thing about Cafe Society:

What is it about Stewart on camera? Her relaxation is remarkable, and yet she is alert and precise, reacting to every flicker of emotion, every tonal shift in the other actor, often in ways that are unexpected and yet unmistakably true. It’s as if her years in those ghastly “Twilight” movies were spent in the witness protection program, and now, finally, she can be herself. She is easily the best thing about this movie, just as she was the best thing about “Clouds of Sils Maria” and almost the best thing in “Still Alice.” ~Mick LaSalle http://www.sfgate.com/movies/article/Caf-Society-is-a-pleasant-and-8401027.php






Eisenberg is solid. But that doesn't stop Stewart from acting circles around him. And the film works best when only we in the audience are privy to Vonnie's dilemma — when the camera fixes on the quiet dance of shame and uncertainty on Stewart's face. It's a surprisingly physical performance; Vonnie's indecision practically consumes her. The young man's inevitable disillusionment is familiar and touching, to be sure, but hers is transfixing. We want to see more of her. ~Bilege Ebiri http://www.villagevoice.com/film/in-caf-society-allen-finds-a-story-worth-telling-but-mostly-tells-another-one-8850458






Carell is excellent at showing Phil's desperation, his neediness and his quiet, hidden empathy, but the real star is Stewart, who is quite on the run these days. She has a near nothing role but turns it into something a little daring, a would-be Girl Friday who sees all the angles and makes the smart play while never losing touch with her inherent goodness. ~Will Leitch https://newrepublic.com/article/135123/cafe-society-go-west-young-neurotic






It’s easy to see why he might have believed that; Stewart is irresistible here. Allen is a legendary director of women, and Stewart’s performance is shockingly good, awards-caliber work. The shallow sullenness she displayed in the “Twilight” films is invisible. Here she’s held in extended close-ups, stunning not just for her beauty but for her presence. ~Colin Covert http://www.startribune.com/with-cafe-society-woody-allen-delivers-lovely-look-at-old-hollywood/387819361/







The standout, though, is Stewart. Her Vonnie is a complicated character who transforms from down-to-earth girl to jewelry-drenched arriviste, but Stewart somehow embodies the inconsistency and makes us believe her. ~Rafer Guzman http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/movies/caf%C3%A9-society-review-jesse-eisenberg-kristen-stewart-shine-in-woody-allen-s-latest-1.12045195







Bobby’s first love, a Veronica known as Vonnie ( Kristen Stewart), is Phil’s adoring and more or less adored secretary; thus those complications, and a performance by Ms. Stewart—a career best in my book—that makes neurotic indecision alluring. ~Joe Morgenstern http://www.wsj.com/articles/cafe-society-review-depression-era-delights-1468520476?tesla=y







Everyone's in love with Kristen Stewart. You can't blame them. This weekend, she's the romantic heroine in two indies — Woody Allen's Café Society and Drake Doremus's Equals — and when Stewart's green eyes gaze at the camera, your heart stops. ~Amy Nicholson http://www.mtv.com/news/2904700/behind-green-eyes/






But it’s Stewart who is the most memorable here, playing an emotionally conflicted woman torn between two men and two lives; she is both seduced and repulsed by the siren song of Hollywood. ~Cary Darling http://www.dfw.com/2016/07/20/1121645/allens-bittersweet-cafe-society.html







The players do their best with the thin material. Carell seems a little stiff in his supposed love scene with the much younger Stewart. But Stewart nearly steals the movie as she plays “beauty” is such a down-home, understated manner that you can see why so many male members of this family have fallen in love with her. ~Kirk Honeycutt http://honeycuttshollywood.com/cafe-society-review/







Once employed, the young man promptly falls in love at first sight with Phil’s secretary, Vonnie (Kristen Stewart, lit like an angel), unaware that she’s carrying on a secret affair with her boss. Allen, never shy about paying homage to his influences, is partially reworking one of the greatest comedies in Hollywood history, Billy Wilder’s The Apartment. (There’s even a New Year’s Eve scene, in case the plot parallels weren’t plain enough.) If the comparison isn’t flattering (how could it be?), the director enriches his romance by exploiting some preexisting star chemistry: Café Society is the third film to pair Eisenberg and Stewart (after Adventureland and American Ultra), and the two make a perfunctory courtship feel unstudied, even natural—no small feat, given that they’re delivering latter-day Woody dialogue during their map-to-the-stars dates around L.A.

Stewart has the trickier task of making a person out of an object of desire, and though Allen eventually betrays the character’s spirit for the sake of a larger point about fluctuating ideals, the actress still radiates a distinctly down-to-earth charisma. ~A.A. Dowd http://www.avclub.com/review/cafe-society-lends-bittersweet-glow-woody-allens-s-239412






Does Allen fill Vonnie in or is she one more of his mysterious female others? No, he doesn’t; but no, she isn’t. Stewart is alive onscreen. Her Vonnie feels all there, even if we don’t have a full picture of what’s inside. ~David Edelstein http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/movie-review-cafe-society.html






And in Café Society, buoyed by the nuanced performances of Stewart and Eisenberg, the 80-year-old Allen creates a ravishing romance shot through with humor and heartbreak. ~Peter Travers http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/reviews/cafe-society-20160713







Jesse Eisenberg, Kristen Stewart shine in Woody Allen's lightweight 'Cafe Society' ~Joe Dziemianowicz http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/jesse-eisenberg-kristen-stewart-ace-woody-allen-cafe-society-article-1.2708405






'Cafe Society' review: Kristen Stewart, Jesse Eisenberg enliven otherwise dull nostalgia

Then again, the cast is pretty wonderful, particularly Jesse Eisenberg and Kristen Stewart, who conduct a stealthy acting class throughout "Cafe Society." They remind us that even routine banter and sentiments can be made to work with a light touch, a little sincerity and the right faces in close-up.

Stewart and Eisenberg clicked beautifully in the lovely '80s-set romantic fable "Adventureland," and their subsequent film careers have become triumphs of the narrow-range but first-rate actor. All actors have their limitations, but with certain ones, dazzling versatility is neither their goal nor their forte. Eisenberg and Stewart are remarkably similar in their techniques. They hang back. They're great listeners. Their know how to keep a scene moving, and how to pierce even an obvious moment of conflict or revelation or plain old exposition with a little arrow of truth. They have never been more appealingly glamorous than they are in Allen's 1936-set seriocomedy, located in never-never Hollywood and grubbier, vital New York. ~Michael Phillips http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/sc-cafe-society-review-0705-20160721-column.html






The performances, too, shy away from the nutty and the broad, and Carell, a master of the brave face, does a fine job of suggesting the strain behind Uncle Phil’s bonhomie. Better still is Stewart, who, despite the girlish touches in her outfits (headband, white ankle socks with strappy sandals), reveals a woman veiled in ruefulness, and her final moments, in which Vonnie muses on paths both taken and spurned, are a lovely act of suspension, done without a word. ~Anthony Lane http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/11/cafe-society-and-life-animated-reviews






Eisenberg has no trouble supplying the requisite neurotic quotient as the nominal Allen stand-in, but Stewart is good enough to almost make you wish for another version of The Great Gatsby just so she could play Daisy, and Carell layers his initially stock Hollywood big shot in unexpected ways that pay off rewardingly. ~Todd McCarthy http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/cafe-society-cannes-review-892693







Stewart, with her sensual combination of wised-up and innocent, does much to tamp down Eisenberg’s more frenetic actor’s tics. ~Peter Rainer http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Movies/2016/0715/Cafe-Society-is-a-mixed-bag-for-all-its-smoothness






Fresh-faced, buoyant and unaffected, Vonnie is very much a change of pace for Stewart, but one she handles with her usual skill and aplomb. ~Kenneth Turan http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-cafe-society-review-20160711-snap-story.html






Review: Stewart shines in Woody Allen’s ‘Café Society’
Vonnie is never far from the frame, and Stewart brings extraordinary balance to a role that could easily be one-note or duplicitous. Her headstrong self-confidence radiates off the screen in a deft performance that deserves to be in the conversation come Oscar time. ~Adam Graham

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/movies/2016/07/28/movie-review-stewart-shines-woody-allens-cafe-society/87692754/







The film barely plumbs the shallows of the N.Y./L.A. celeb swirl, but it is not without its pleasures. Stewart and Eisenberg make a cute if not magnetic pair, her cool reserve meeting his neurotic bluster (he’s an obvious Allen surrogate), and Carell, Lively, Stoll and Berlin also have moments of genuine wit and sanguine insight. ~Pete Howell

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/2016/07/28/reel-brief-caf-society-vaxxed-phantom-boy-keanu-and-high-rise.html







In his best performance since “The Social Network,” Eisenberg is perfectly cast as the neurotic Bobby. But the film truly belongs to Stewart, who brings to Vonnie a haunting luminousness.

A love story drenched in nostalgia, “Café Society” is a film of rare beauty. ~Calvin Wilson

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/movies/reviews/woody-allen-s-caf-society-is-a-bittersweet-treat/article_bc2373b8-65c9-5a7e-8f19-201f2f87b965.html






Kristen Stewart’s performance in the role, which blends gravity and lightness, glamour and its opposite, is certainly the best part of “Café Society,” but it also exposes just how thin and tired the rest of the movie is. ~A.O. Scott http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/movies/cafe-society-review-woody-allen.html?_r=0






Its only memorable quality is a performance from Stewart so present it almost throws the movie off-balance, suggesting more complexity to her character than seems to have been on the page. ~Alison Willmore https://www.buzzfeed.com/alisonwillmore/theres-a-reason-everyones-talking-about-woody-allen-and-not?utm_term=.crGLNrn84#.pkvKNZAJO






With intermittent romantic sparks struck between Eisenberg and his co-star, a poised and glowing Kristen Stewart, “Café Society” is likely to draw a larger swath of the Allen audience than his last two, “Magic in the Moonlight” and “Irrational Man.”

Stewart makes you touch the reality of that line. She sheds some of her own halting mannerisms to play a woman of warmth who, with a twinkle, holds her ardor close to the vest, and the mood of quiet confidence fits the actress beautifully. ~Owen Gleiberman http://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/cafe-society-review-kristen-stewart-woody-allen-cannes-1201771214/






As for Stewart, she’s without doubt an alluring screen presence; you can’t take your eyes off of her. ~Ann Hornaday https://www.washingtonpost.com/goingoutguide/movies/cafe-society-movie-review-upper-middle-late-period-woody-allen/2016/07/21/136d148a-3eb5-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html



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@LLOwens

Are you Stewart's PR agent or something? Was this huge post necessary?

It's all a matter of opinion.

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Are you Stewart's PR agent or something?


Although I'm not, I actually take that as a compliment.

Was this huge post necessary?

It's all a matter of opinion.


Come to think of it--I must admit it was a bit of an overkill. You see, when I first became a fan of Stewart back in 2009, her movie boards were often bombarded with numerous trolls all itching to take cheap shots at her acting. So I felt the need to reinforce my opinions with the opinions of numerous critics who also praised her acting. Old habits die hard I guess.

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My only complaint about Stewart is that she looked about 16 throughout the entire film. I know she's 26 in real life, but I think Blake Lively should have played Vonnie and someone else play Veronica. It's a great problem to have I'm sure, but Stewart just didn't look like a 25 year old woman and she didn't act like one either. She looked like a pretty teen-ager through-out the entire film and her scenes with Steve Carrell looked pretty gross. She also looked like someone from the late 60's and 70's, not the 40s. She reminded me a lot of Natalie Wood in the late 60's. Her hair and make-up didn't suit the 40's period. Blake Lively looked like a 30's woman...very Carole Lombard like. Those of us who know classic films well could see the Lombard resemblance.

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Blake's Veronica looked slightly older than Jesse's Bobby. I not sure if Blake could pull off the ingenue role, because she looked older and much more mature than Bobby. Yes it was rather gross seeing Kristen and kiss. Unless the older man is very fit and virile, the May/December romance it gross. And Jesse and Blake's chemistry was not as strong as Jesse and Kristen. Of course they could be because Bobby was suppose to love Vonnie more.

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OK @LLowens

You are definitely on the payroll

Chanel ads are not relevant to a discussion of a Woody Allen movie

Maybe you will meet someday & have a gender fluid love fest

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