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Even the title and trailer already get so much hate


Its a movie about a few women, their life and family and people already calling it a feminist movie, what the fk happen to our society, you make movie with female cast and people already hated it??

17% rated 1???
WTF

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It is a feminist movie. It even says so in the movie. So much cliche. I could barely get through it...ugh

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So you saw the movie??

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I don't know but every time someone complains about a movie being feminist or liberal propaganda I know I'm gonna love it and I'm the first in line to watch it. So I just wanna thank them for unintentionally recommending me great films.

If the apocalypse comes, beep me. -Buffy.

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Where is the feminist movie that celebrates fatherhood like this crap is clearly celebrating motherhood?? We need fathers inspired to be fathers... not forced with shame and guilt... like feminists want to do.

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

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Ok, this is quite literally, all kidding aside, the stupidest post I've ever read on imdb. Kudos, I guess.

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It is the dumbest. Why doesn't this person make such a movie?

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I wish I could. But feminism owns the media right now. Look what happened to The Red Pill documentary, which is very enlightening. They worked tirelessly to keep it from seeing the light of day. They treated it like Mein Kamp

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We elected Trump who's bragged about grabbing women by the pussy on tape. 60 million Americans elected this man as President of the United States. What does that tell you?

Whatever you are, be a good one.

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Tells me that 60 million Americans dislike things so bad that they're willing to discount the personal and political failings of an outsider if the other choice is the personal and political failings of an insider. In the end, it seems like they're going to get an outsider who is going to make the insiders richer and richer.

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I just saw the trailer for this in a theatre, and it made me want to avoid the movie like the plague. Not because of the (pretty obvious) feminist slant, but because virtually every single dialogue line spoken was a tired cliché. If that's representative of the entire film I'm not going to waste two hours of my life.

If it actually is a good film, then whoever put together the trailer should be fired. They can't be blamed for the title, though, which I do also think is terrible.

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The second trailer was clearly put together to try to explain what the movie is "about" to people who need to know that. It indeed does a terrible job of selling the movie, because the whole point of the movie is that you can't reduce this stuff to a simple "it's about ..." the way the trailer feels it needs to be reduced.

In fact, all those cliches are either counters to earlier dialogue and hence not cliched in context, or are setups for counters that attack them at least a little.

I'm guessing you made your mind up before the final bit, which is not cliched.

BILLY CRUDUP'S CHARACTER: "Jamie, I also want to say, never have sex with just the vagina, you have to have sex with the whole woman."
GRETA GERWIG'S: "That's slightly off-topic."

The first trailer was risky but hugely better. The first half is intentionally somewhat misleading in tone, with a touchy-feely montage set to Jimmy Carter's "Crisis of Confidence" speech." Which is designed to set up this joke ...

VISITOR WATCHING SPEECH: "He is so screwed. It's over for him."
MOM: "I thought that was beautiful."

[The cultural point being that Carter was 100% correct with the speech, and it indeed killed his chances against Reagan.]

More bits ...

JAMIE: "Stop ... "
MOM: [laughing] "What?"
"Thinking that you know everything that's going on."
"No, I don't ... [more or less sincerely and wistfully] I just think, you know, having your heart broken is a tremendous way to learn about the world."

"Look, wondering if you're happy is a great shortcut to being depressed." (A rejoinder to a cliched "Are you happy?" question.)

These were all big laugh lines. I'll agree that someone who put together a trailer for a comedy that includes just one joke is not doing their job. Extracting the inevitable cliches -- people in real life do use them, and sharp, realistic film dialogue will counterpoint them as I've noted -- is really, really not doing your job.

Oh, and the title is a great title, in that it's sort of very meaningful reference (we learn in voice-over that Bening's character will die just before the end of 1999, after making elaborate Y2K preparations.)

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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The trailer is pretty heavy handed tho. That's what people are reacting to

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It's a good movie. Definitely and pointedly is a film that shows female points of view though told from POV of a teenage boy and directed by a man. If you consider that to be feminist then yes, you probably shouldn't see it

For me it was refreshing to see a film that showed characters showing and discussing real things that contemporary women might relate to. However storywise it meandered a little too much for me.

Characters and writing good, story only so-so.

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Any movie that is so blatantly sexist against fatherhood deserves this kind of hate. I mean, WTF? How many movies have actually suggested that fathers are better parents than mothers??

VERY FEW.

We don't need this movie. We need more movies showing that dads aren't bad or lazy or incompetent people. We need more movies inspiring men to be fathers. This is only adding to the problem of single motherhood.

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

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Dismantle your violin and make that movie you want to see. It costs literally, nothing but your sanity to write a screenplay.

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Again, it won't see the light of day with feminists holding the balls of so many "men" in Hollywood hostage.

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Awww, those poor, weak men, how could they allow that?

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