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I gave it two episodes, now I'm out


Sam Fox is pathetic. She lets her daughters walk all over her and does not hold them accountable for anything, but has the nerve to take her oldest to task for not holding herself accountable for what she says or does.

Sam is a whiny, pathetic loser. She is not a sympathetic character; she's a pathetic character.

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I completely agree. How many television shows about a woman's period need to be made? It's overdone and ridiculous just like this show.

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yeah, I didn't get that scene. Did the women/girls not know they get their period? Is it empowering to women? "We get periods! You go girl! Now, there's no reason not to go out there and succeed!"
Huh, I guess you have to be a woman to understand how appreciating the fact women get periods is empowering.

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2 episodes? You have a lot more willpower than I do.

After 1 episode, I said...

I.....am.....OUT! 

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Buddy Burger. Have us scrape one off the grill..so YOU don't have to scrape one off the road!

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I really wanted to give this show a chance based on the previews. But Sam is just a pathetic mom.

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I gave it two episodes only because I like the actress but this show is just unwatchable.

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Sam Fox is pathetic. She lets her daughters walk all over her and does not hold them accountable for anything, but has the nerve to take her oldest to task for not holding herself accountable for what she says or does.

Sam is a whiny, pathetic loser. She is not a sympathetic character; she's a pathetic character.

You seem to be buying into the reality of the show, even if you don't like what you see. That's no small thing. Just from that reaaction, I think you should stick with the show. She's not on screen to be your hero or role-model, she's being real.

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being real? It's not real for a parent to check out. She's not a parent; she's a caretaker. She provides food, shelter, and transportation, but no guidance, rules, mentoring, or accountability.

Maybe it is some parents' dream to check out and stop being a parent and just being a provider without the stress of actual parenting, but if it is, those parents should never have had kids. Yes, being a parent is hard, but so are a lot of things that have to be done.

Watching a parent check out like Sam is not funny, nor is it real; as I said, it's pathetic.

Like I said, I wanted to like this show, but watching Sam get run over by her bratty kids is not funny or compelling.
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being real? It's not real for a parent to check out. She's not a parent; she's a caretaker. She provides food, shelter, and transportation, but no guidance, rules, mentoring, or accountability.

True in that Sam isn't a perfect TV mom who doles out even-handed justice and meaningful advice-pellets to her children (I think any parents of teenagers who read your description of Sam will be thinking "Yup, that pretty much sums up my life"). She's a busy single-mother doing her best with three head-strong daughters, and sometimes its just about getting through the day, but that doesn't mean she's checked out, if anything she's in deeper emotionally than many parents would be.

Did you miss the opening scene of the series where she takes a strong line and then caves a little (as most parents would)? The argument with Max about her father? The whole women and their periods presentation? It goes on, from little moments to complete scenes. This isn't a woman who's checked out and doesn't care.

I was wrong, I don't think you've picked up on the reality at all.

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yes, I loved the opening scene of the series. Then I saw the scene where her oldest invited two friends over without telling her mom, one of them had her shirt off, and then A giggling Max yells to her mom "Bring us some food!" Sam shuts the door and you can see her check out. You can see the total defeat on her face. Later, Frankie barges into her mom's room, won't leave despite being told to get out, and just lays on her mom's bed and smiles while her Sam is the one who leaves her own room.

In episode two, she comes home to find her daughters have destroyed her house, and her oldest is nowhere to be seen. She gets mad, and Frankie gets mad back because her mom came home a day early. Sam cleans up everything herself, and no punishment or consequences for her daughters.

When she gets mad at Max in the car, she is a hypocrite. She gets mad at Max for not holding herself accountable for her words, but she does not hold Max accountable for anything, so why should she expect Max to hold herself accountable.

This is a mom who has check out.



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A working mother, beset from three different sides, is picking her battles (and the 'bring food' thing, she was dead on her feet with chores still to do, give her a break).

so why should she expect Max to hold herself accountable

And yes, she's as flawed as the rest of us, she isn't the perfect role model for her daughters and the audience (as the scene was deliberately showing us), and she certainly doesn't have the infinite well of energy you seem to expect, but she's the very opposite of checked out. She's fully living that life, you can see it on her face, this isn't a woman who doesn't give a *beep*

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Otter68 - you clearly have no grasp on what it's like for parents in the industry. I think the show perfectly captures the essence of balancing a professional acting career with family life and loneliness in the industry. Nobody is perfect, and no PARENT is ever perfect. If you have reservations with the character and her decisions - stick with the show to learn WHY. It's only two episodes in. There may be some plot or story point down the line where you learn of more struggle and reason why. That's what the artistic side of the show stands for - of any show. To show you something to make you THINK. You immediate decision to just turn off says more about you than it does about the show.

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for the love of God, I don't expect her or any parent to be perfect, but I find no humor in a story line that revolves around a parent who lets three bratty, unappreciative daughters run their home any way they want. Her daughters don't care about their mom's problems, and it rubs off on Sam, who is supposed to be the adult.

Is this supposed to be a comedy or a tragedy? I was expecting comedy; I got tragedy. The tragedy of a defeated mother. I'd prefer a comedy.

Go back and watch reruns of One Day at a Time: struggling, single mom, with two hard headed daughters. That is comedy, and the mom was not perfect.
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Go back and watch reruns of One Day at a Time: struggling, single mom, with two hard headed daughters. That is comedy, and the mom was not perfect.

Um ... yes ... you could be on to something. With more one liners packed in there, a mother with boundless energy, and a laugh track helping to keep it upbeat, Better Things would be so much better.

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Or stick with a pathetic loser of a parent who has ceded control of her household to three minors. Hilarious

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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Or stick with a pathetic loser of a parent who has ceded control of her household to three minors. Hilarious

Perhaps if you stopped expecting it to be a laugh-a-minute feel-good sitcom, you might relate to it better? You might see it for the slice of life, wry, sensitive, observational comedy/drama that it actually is. Probably not. Whatever, do your own thing, I'm going to take Pathetic Sam's lead and check out of this thread.

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it's not a comedy. It's a tragedy. That's not what I was expecting. I don't want to see a mom's tragic life.

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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Well go troll somewhere else!!!!!!!! Get a life dolt

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how am I trolling, and read my tag line.

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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Beautifully said

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People like the bloke above can't discern that other people live other kinds of lives. Plus if you don't like a show just don't *beep* watch it and waste your time commenting on boards...in short man let it go. Obviously people from other walks of life disturb your little insular world. I for one love this show and I can see the reality in it very much (sometimes too much 😂).
It seems like that bloke above just wants to push his views (repeatedly!!!!!)that anyone not like him is wrong blah blah blah

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Otter68 - well said!

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I like Pam Adlon but this show is seriously unfunny and, frankly, unwatchable.

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