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Great season finale (possible spoilers)


I love this show, and thought the season finale was the best episode of the lot.

They finally addressed the issue of why Frankie has a hairstyle that makes her look like a boy, although the comment by Max that "she is a boy" leaves me a bit puzzled. I assume she meant that Frankie identifies as a boy (which Frankie denied to her mother). But if that's the case she presumably identifies as a gay boy, since she was upset by other girls exposing their bodies to each other in the girls' room, and that was why she used the boys' room. Most boys that age would love to see girls naked.

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Max is telling her mother that Frankie using the boy's bathroom is an indication that Frankie is transgender and identifies as male. You are making too many assumptions beyond that. They haven't even talked about Frankie's sexual orientation, and it's extremely erroneous and superficial to make these gross generalizations. For one, this is an issue of gender identity. Sexual orientation is completely different and should be considered separately. Two, you are assuming that transmen have the same experiences as cis men and thus have the same upbringing and privileges, which is not true.

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Frankie doesn't identify as a boy. I thought she made that pretty clear when she explained her reason for using the boys' bathroom. She said she doesn't want to be a boy. Then she said was only trying to avoid abusive girls in the girls' bathroom. So unless Frankie was lying about all that, what Max said is irrelevant.

Could it be that Frankie was too scared to tell her mom that she indeed wants to be a boy? Yes possibly. But that hasn't been established yet. But even if that were the case, that wouldn't imply that Frankie likes boys and not girls.

"She is a boy" suggests that Frankie has already come out as transgender, and Sam is the last to know about it.

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OK, so I mixed up sexual preference with gender identity (I'm an old fogey who grew up when gender identity was not really talked about like it is today), but I'm still confused.

Max apparently believes that Frankie is transgender, so either Max is mistaken or Frankie lied to her mother.

I hope there is a second season where they expand on these issues.

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They've established a precedent that Frankie likes to make stories up, and the extremely graphic nature of the bathroom incident points towards the likelihood of fabrication.

But why would Frankie not want to come out to her mother? After mulling over it a bit, I think it might come down to not wanting to be treated differently. It's not that her mother would ever judge her, but she would most likely make a big deal about it.

If Frankie is transgender, I get the feeling that it might be a similar situation to the transgender character in Horace and Pete. The transgender woman in H&P simply wanted to be a woman, not a transgender woman, with all the baggage that being transgender carries. It's possible Frankie just wants to be a boy, and not be treated as being 'special.'

Society's long history of parents rejecting LBGT children has produced a generation of parents who feel like they need to compensate by accepting their children in an overly demonstrative way, and, while this is far better than rejection, it's still very gender conscious and still comes from a place of discomfort. The character in Horace & Pete is basically saying that acceptance is better than rejection, but how long will it take for society to be transgender blind- because that's what we should be striving for- instead of "Frankie, you're a boy? That's FANTASTIC!" something along the lines of "Frankie, you're a boy? That's cool, whatever."

At least, that's my theory. Whatever the reason, I do think it's safe to assume, based on her reaction to the conversation with Max, that Sam figured out that Frankie made the story up and is actually transgender.

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Max believes Frankie is a boy because let's be honest, more than 90% of the teens will automatocally think (and gossip about it) someone is a 'boy' if they saw some girl dresses or acts slightly 'masculine' like Frankie. That's how they talk and act. And especially with the restroom incident they will be convinced more than ever, like Max. Frankie could actually be lying to her mom, but we don't have enough material to judge that yet. Personally I believe the story Frankie told Sam. And also I find Frankie to be someone who would come out rather than hide it by making a weird lie.

Sam's rather stressed expression after Max's declaration seemed something like 'should I have stopped her? and made her act more feminine?'. Of course there isn't any need for that and Sam knows she hasn't done anything wrong on that part, but still if her sister is being dead serious saying "she's a boy", imagine what other mean boys/girls might do to her. Sam would definitely feel a bit worried. (Again, I'm not saying she should have advised her to be more feminine or anything)

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Adlon explained it partially in the link below. She kept it Unclear because she feels that Frankie and Sam are not quite sure either. And they want to explore it next season but it's not going to become the focus of that character


http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/better-things-recap-season-1-episode-10.html

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