After seeing the second episode I don't give this show much of a chance - Criminal Minds: Beyond Borders (2016) Discussion

[–] mlaiuppa 9 years ago

Why? Because she isn't anorexic?

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[–] cakraft24-189-316582 9 years ago

I really like Criminal Minds, butt this show is awful so far. Tired of seeing Sinise in these types of shows as well. Characters aren't really any good, story line seems rushed. I'm so disappointed!!! I'll try once or twice more, butt if it doesn't have major change.... awww forget it, it's just not going to happen.

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[–] lamont-hard 9 years ago

If CSI Cyber can make then so will this.

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[–] maryrosenkranz 9 years ago

What exactly is it about her that people don't like? As was shown in last night's episode, she's the "medical examiner". It's not like she is one of the profilers. It would be different if she were say the counterpart to Prentiss, or J.J. on CM. So her not being stick thin shouldn't matter. I think it's interesting that they do have a med examiner in route with them.

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[–] silverr8c 9 years ago

It isn't about liking her, it is about believability. Would you believe it if you watched a show where Pee Wee Herman won a weight lifting contest against Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Peter Dinklage beat Michael Jordan in a Basketball game, or Matthew Gray Gubler beat Floyd Mayweather in a boxing match. In the first scene she appears in we see her beat aa very fit in shape guy in a obstacle coarse race. It is not believable

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[–] maryrosenkranz 9 years ago

Is it just that small instance? I can understand if it sticks in your mind, because it was first thing. Remember, he laughed about how he gave her a head start. For all we know he wasn't even trying. I'm not denying whether it's believable or not. But nothing on tv is. It just seems like again the actor who is not the "ideal" is who people have a problem with. So many shows I watch, I go to these boards, & people seem to crap all over those actors. And the biggest thing is because of their stature or their weight, or they are just not good looking enough(or in some, they are too good looking-not kidding). Contrary to all of that, is there are those people in the real world, in all these professions. Now if you don't like her acting, fine. And it's not just you, that's why I asked the initial question in my first reply.

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[–] gamer_12 9 years ago

People don't really do that for Penelope on the original Criminal Minds because she has a fun personality and is invaluable to the team (they wouldn't solve any of their cases without her). The girl on this is just a joke all around.

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[–] yokoohno449 9 years ago

Anna looks about 10# overweight. Sheesh Some of you talk like she should be on my 400# life!

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[–] harlemsushi 9 years ago

What exactly is it about her that people don't like?

I don't like the fact that she plays the character as very immature. I'm not sure if that is because she made a poor decision on how to play the character or if the character was written that way but it makes the character unappealing. It makes her seem like the least experienced member of the group and the weak link. The character is also written in such a way that she is in a position as a member of a group that helps Americans in foreign countries and she seems completely ignorant of any of the subtleties or customs of any of the countries. As such, they have to be explained to her like a two year old. So far this has happened in both episodes and her reaction was that of an immature person.

As was shown in last night's episode, she's the "medical examiner". It's not like she is one of the profilers.

She gave the profile in the pilot episode. Usually that's something only profilers do.

It would be different if she were say the counterpart to Prentiss, or J.J. on CM. So her not being stick thin shouldn't matter.

To be honest, you are the one who assumed that the OP's issue was with her weight when it seems that he just doesn't like the character or the way she has been presented to us and portrayed.

I think it's interesting that they do have a med examiner in route with them.

Sure, but not if the character is unappealing because of the way she is portrayed or written. In that case their presence just hurts the show's quality overall.

It just seems like again the actor who is not the "ideal" is who people have a problem with.

Forgive me, but it seems like you have come to that conclusion for your own reasons.

So many shows I watch, I go to these boards, & people seem to crap all over those actors. And the biggest thing is because of their stature or their weight, or they are just not good looking enough(or in some, they are too good looking-not kidding).

Again, I will restate what I previously said that it seems like you have come to that conclusion for your own reasons.

Contrary to all of that, is there are those people in the real world, in all these professions. Now if you don't like her acting, fine. And it's not just you, that's why I asked the initial question in my first reply.

This was your initial post in response to the OP's post indicating that the actress did not fit in well with the rest of the cast: "Why? Because she isn't anorexic?" YOU were the one who jumped to the conclusion that their reasoning had something to do with the actress' weight. So please spare us your sense of victimization.

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[–] rosenkranz_4 9 years ago

With some of these if you notice I am "asking" if that is the reason because many seem to give that as part of their reason. In another post the OP refers to being "fit" especially from the very first scene. And they were not the only one & in some cases people automatically said "fat/chubby". So again I "asked" a question. I am not assuming in those instances, just asking.

If one does not like her as an actress, ok. As for her not knowing things about the countries & so forth: you are right. But from my point of view, I think that's what they are trying to convey(now this is just from what I am seeing). Many people do not know customs of other countries. They go in and sometimes assume that people will be ok with them assuming control. That is why Clara is important because she is the one who knows about these customs.

Again my response to OP was in "questioning" what about the character they did not think fit in. And the OP respectively answered me. And I have no problem.

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[–] harlemsushi 9 years ago

First off, I'm not sure why you have two accounts but I'm sure you have your reasons.

With some of these if you notice I am "asking" if that is the reason because many seem to give that as part of their reason.

That is not true, you are implying their reasoning. You did so here where you said: "So her not being stick thin shouldn't matter." You obviously have some sort of ax to grind and you described it in some form where you said: "It just seems like again the actor who is not the "ideal" is who people have a problem with. So many shows I watch, I go to these boards, & people seem to crap all over those actors. And the biggest thing is because of their stature or their weight..." If the OP or anyone else does not like the actress for any reason, that is a viewer that the show will lose simply because the character is written, acted, or portrayed poorly. That is the bigger issue and what you are ignoring in your crusade.

In another post the OP refers to being "fit" especially from the very first scene.

You are basically admitting that you are implying the OP's reasoning here based on something he supposedly said in another post.

And they were not the only one & in some cases people automatically said "fat/chubby". So again I "asked" a question. I am not assuming in those instances, just asking.

Please don't act like you are passively asking open ended questions because you are not. You are characterizing the issue in a certain way because of some agenda you have, and just because you do it under the guise of asking a question does not mean you are not implying their reasoning.

If one does not like her as an actress, ok. As for her not knowing things about the countries & so forth: you are right. But from my point of view, I think that's what they are trying to convey(now this is just from what I am seeing). Many people do not know customs of other countries. They go in and sometimes assume that people will be ok with them assuming control.

So your point of view is that the purpose of the character is to be ignorant of customs in other countries? Don't you think you are reaching here a bit just to show the character in a positive light for your own reasons?

That is why Clara is important because she is the one who knows about these customs.

This indicates why Clara is important, but not not Mae.

Again my response to OP was in "questioning" what about the character they did not think fit in.

And again, what you wrote implied the OP's reasoning when it was not there.

And the OP respectively answered me. And I have no problem.

Well I do have a problem with you implying the reasoning of others and then claiming innocence and and portraying yourself as passively asking open-ended questions.

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[–] maryrosenkranz 9 years ago

One account happens to have been started by my husband on our other computer. It's not like I'm trying to hide anything.
I am not implying anything. OP said he felt it was not believable she would beat him in the opening sequence(not supposed, it was in his answer to me). I asked if it was because she was not of "ideal" weight. I asked if that was the only reason he felt she did not fit in. I asked questions for goodness sakes. Instead of going off on the OP, I asked the questions. The OP answered me that it was not. Gee, I believed him. I didn't just assume. Poorly written or portrayed is an issue. But again that's why I had asked if it was the ONLY reason(as in clarifying, so I did not read his post the wrong way). To which the OP stated it was not.

"just because you do it under the guise of asking a question does not mean you are not implying their reasoning."

Yet here you are assuming I am of a certain type of person. Why is it that when I ask someone to explain, that's considered passive, or an agenda? It's just like when I read posts that say "it sucks". I ask the poster to explain why it sucks. You say I have an ax to grind & an agenda. Yet you keep coming back at me, when all I am trying to do is clarify/explain myself.

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[–] harlemsushi 9 years ago

One account happens to have been started by my husband on our other computer. It's not like I'm trying to hide anything.

Like I said, I'm not sure why you have two accounts, but I'm sure you have your reasons.

I am not implying anything.

I beg to differ, this is what you said in response to the OP's statement indicating that getting rid of Annie Funke would be the first step to improving the show because, "she just does not fit well with the rest of the cast": "So her not being stick thin shouldn't matter." You implied by that statement that the OP's reasoning for having their point of view was related to the actress' appearance. Spin it any way you want, but that's what you said.

OP said he felt it was not believable she would beat him in the opening sequence(not supposed, it was in his answer to me).

His answer is irrelevant as to whether you implied his reasoning.

I asked if it was because she was not of "ideal" weight. I asked if that was the only reason he felt she did not fit in. I asked questions for goodness sakes. Instead of going off on the OP, I asked the questions. The OP answered me that it was not. Gee, I believed him. I didn't just assume.

This is what you wrote: "What exactly is it about her that people don't like? As was shown in last night's episode, she's the "medical examiner". It's not like she is one of the profilers. It would be different if she were say the counterpart to Prentiss, or J.J. on CM. So her not being stick thin shouldn't matter." You were not passively asking open ended questions, you were implying the OP's reasoning under the guise of asking a question. It's right there on the screen where any of us can read it.

Poorly written or portrayed is an issue. But again that's why I had asked if it was the ONLY reason(as in clarifying, so I did not read his post the wrong way). To which the OP stated it was not.

Once again, the OP's response to you implying his reasoning is not relevant.

Yet here you are assuming I am of a certain type of person. Why is it that when I ask someone to explain, that's considered passive, or an agenda?

You actually implied the OP's reasoning. I read it here and so can anyone else that reads this thread. It is not assuming when you are just commenting on something someone did.

It's just like when I read posts that say "it sucks". I ask the poster to explain why it sucks. You say I have an ax to grind & an agenda.

I do, simply because you implied the OP's reasoning.

Yet you keep coming back at me, when all I am trying to do is clarify/explain myself.

I am simply responding because I disagree with what you are saying and how you are portraying yourself.

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[–] silverr8c 9 years ago

Than you harlemsushi, your assessment of my original post nailed it. The only thing I would like to add is my personal feelings about weight and the issue of anorexia that you mentioned. Someone that I loved a great deal died from anorexia, I would have done anything in my power to have her alive and overweight that have her die from anorexia. I am probably the last person in the world to criticize someone over their weight. What I disliked about here was the fact that someone that studied for years to become a doctor is acting like an immature child. Also as I already mention in another thread they portray he as someone that is able to run through obstacle courses faster than some one who is in better shape.

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[–] lauriegonzalez11 9 years ago

I completely disagree. I like the show, the story lines, and the actors -- including Anna. This shows a lot of promise.

I went to a high school gymnastics meet and one of the athletes was quite chunky for a gymnast. Everyone laughed at her, until she did her routine. Then everyone was in awe. She was their best gymnast.

Don't be so judgemental. It's ugly.

The good thing about TV is no one is forcing you to watch a show you don't like.

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[–] silverr8c 9 years ago

Did you read my entire message? I love Garry both as an actor and the fact that I respect him as a true patriot for spending his time going over and entertaining our men and women in uniform when most entertainers are spending the Christmas holidays and Thanksgiving at home. There are some actors that I would not watch regardless of how good the show is, in Gary's case I will continue watching no matter how bad the show gets I want this show to succeed. I am going to keep watching this show till the bitter end. The problem is that there are not many people that will continue watching this show if it does not improve.

I am not being judgmental with the female actor I am just stating the obvious. Not only does she seem to be incapable of doing the physical tasks in this movie she just does seem to mesh with the rest of the cast. The odd thing is that I enjoy watching NCIS L.A and as crazy as it may seem I enjoy how an older woman who is probably less than 4 foot tall is able to kick some serious butt.

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[–] darkavenger77 9 years ago

The odd thing is that I enjoy watching NCIS L.A and as crazy as it may seem I enjoy how an older woman who is probably less than 4 foot tall is able to kick some serious butt.

Now THAT is a serious suspension of disbelief, but par for another comic book of a show (I mock it each week by calling it Homeland Security since they rarely do anything related to the Navy or USMC). In addition to being a dwarf, the actress playing her is 70 years old.

I was not impressed with the pilot of CM: Beyond Budgets . I have not watched the second episode yet, so perhaps it will get better. I don't have a problem with someone with medical experience being on the team or what type of actor portrays them, but also thought the opening sequence was really dumb.

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[–] IPleadTheFifth 9 years ago

The second was a little better(it could not get worse after the pilot), but I don't think this show will make it. I will stop at two shows as I have too many shows. I am also dropping another new show Heartbeat as it is really unrealistic!

You may be right, I might be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you are looking for!

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[–] syberian_guy 9 years ago

Not impressed so far. I tuned in because of Sinese and Alana. But the stories thus far are so weak, this is not enough to keep me coming back. There is too much other GOOD TV to devote time to this show. About the only thing they got right was finally casting a real person instead of one of the 'beautiful people". Whether it's the producers or the writers who decided this will be another unrealistic and formulaic drama, that "safe" path cannot be saved by any cast, no matter how appealing.

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[–] silverr8c 9 years ago

Your are correct that EP 2 was not much better. I usually give a new show between one at three episodes before I cancel it, but I have made up my mind to keep watching as long as it is on the air. I am a fan of Gary and like the cast (except for one person). I am going to keep hoping that it gets better and survives.

The problem is that you only get one chance to make a good first impression. I am going to hope that people did not decide to tune out after that terrible first episode

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[–] darkavenger77 9 years ago

I have now watched one season of the similarly-premised Crossing Lines (2013) (European-based investigation of crime in other countries where the crimes take place in two different countries) and two episodes of this one. I learned about it from this message board.  I like Crossing Lines a lot more, if for no other reason what they do seems much more realistic: for example, no luxury cargo plane, just a helicopter, or sometimes they are seen on a train.

For several of the roles, they used actors from their native countries, and they represented their native country as being a law officer from that country, who can then liaise with law enforcement from that country. While there are a couple of things about CL I don't like such as killing off enjoyable main characters way too often, overall I found it to be a more enjoyable show and am looking forward to Season 2.

I see that CL lasted for 3 "seasons" of 10-12 episodes each, albeit with a major cast shakeup for #3. While it technically has not been canceled, I have not seen anything about a 4th season. Like the OP, I don't see CM: Beyond Budgets lasting anywhere near that long.

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