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Lies that Kroc "stole" from the brothers....


I'm tired of this overall lie from stupid people that Kroc stole anything from the brothers. They were grown men with above average intelligence and good legal representation. Everything they did they agreed to and signed off on.

1. The franchise agreement. This was signed by Ray Kroc but the terms were dictated by the brothers. Their lawyers wrote up the contract. They paid Kroc a salary and a small percentage of gross sales for the stores he helped start. By 1961 Kroc has established 223 new McDonalds locations.
Liars and idiots act like he went off on his own starting these restaurants without permission when he never did any such thing. The brother's were receiving .5% of gross sales from all of those restaurants.

2. Kroc's standards were 99% par with the brothers. It's not like he was starting taco joints named McDonalds. He knew that the formula that worked so well in San Bernadino needed to be duplicated and did that. Those 228 restaurants were something they could be proud of.

3. The problem with selling all your interest in a fast growing business. This is the one that irks me the most. Once you sell 100% of your interest in a company you will benefit nothing from any future growth if that company duh! If I own shares of a stock and sell it and then I would not expect to profit of that company grows 10X bigger in the next 10 years.

You have a company that is doubling in size every 2.5 years it might be a good idea to take some of that payment in stock not just cash. Colonel Sanders did the exact same thing. The brothers should have taken less cash and held on to 5-10% of the company. Then when it went public and was worth 10X as much they would have made a fortune. This is especially important to Dick McDonald who lived another 35 years.

4. There was no 1% deal. It makes no sense and neither brother in their lifetime complained about this. There were no lawsuits to that effect to get that money either. The issue did not come up until the brothers were dead. As owners they only received .5% of gross sales from those stores why would they expect 1% of profits AFTER selling out.

5. The reality corp. This had nothing to do with the brothers because ownership of the land these stores sat upon was not their interest. They made no money off the rents and had no say about where the stores were located and who owned the lots. It was a brilliant move by Kroc to give him more revenue and control but it did not hurt the brothers in any way.


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Do you know the investors that Kroc represented?

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No.

What is your point?

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In the movie, Kroc said he was just representing investors who just wanted the McDonald's name.
The investors wanted the name "McDonald's" because they knew that the number 1 ethnic group in the USA was ethnic celtic people and the investors wanted to appeal to celtic people to get their money.

Kroc and the investors he worked for stole the name "McDonald's" because they know that no one would want to eat at a place with their own surnames attached to it.

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That is idiotic. McDonalds was the brand name of a business of 228 restaurants!

Who spends $2.7M to buy a business and does not want the fucking name? They did not steal it!!!! They bought the business for $2.7M!!!!!

As for his "investors" you make it sound sinister. No he did not have $2.7M sitting in a bank account you moron. He needed to raise the cash so the brothers could get their $2.7M that THEY AGREED ON!!!

And no it has not one damn thing to do with Celts. WTF?

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It has everything to do with appealing to ethnic celtic americans. Celtic-americans are the people who made McDonald's popular. If you think that people are going to go to a burger resturant named "Kroc" or any of the weird last names of the investors then you are wrong.

The reason why Carl Jr. is Hardees east of the mississippi is because the german guy who owns carl jr. know that the name "Hardees" appeals to celtic people so he left it on there when he bought Hardees.

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WTF are you talking about?

Nobody knows or given a damn what ethnicity the name Hardees is. How does it appeal to so called Celtic people?

Is that why there are 2900 McDonalds restaurants in Japan? It appeals to their Celtic ancestry?

I think you are brain damaged.

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>Celtic-americans are the people who made McDonald's popular.

Not that it's needed, but I'm calling bullshit on that theory you have rattling around in your brain.

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>Celtic-americans are the people who made McDonald's popular.

Not that it's needed, but I'm calling bullshit on that theory you have rattling around in your brain.

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Imagine owning a business of 228 restaurants and being able to run that business without hardly ever leaving San Bernadino California? Who can do that? And on top of that the business was doubling every 2.5-3 years. By 1970 there were 1500 restaurants!

So what was the burden on the McDonalds' brothers? Almost nothing. They were not on planes traveling 6 months a year away from their families. Ray Kroc and people he hired to work for him were doing all of that and doing it well.

The percentage the brothers got from the franchises was a paltry .5%. That was what they put in the contract. they could have changed it at any time and Kroc begged them to increase the percentages.

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Two ideas:

1. Punctuation
2. Complete sentences

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