They were unchained why didn't they kill him?
I guess he had them in so much fear!
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Yeah, I was wondering why Michelle didn't attack him when they were outside and she had a shovel or when the neighbor was watching.
shareI'll teach my daughters to a little self defense. I was yelling at the tv, " why not jump his ass"? Choke him with the chain, bash his head or something!! But I don't blame them, because he really had them scared.
shareI do wonder, if Amanda had enough rein of the house to have access to knives from the kitchen.
shareIMO he instilled so much fear inside all three of them that they were basically conditioned to not fight back. At times, he kept them unchained and purposely acted like he left the house. When they would go downstairs, he would beat them. This happening over and over for years would condition the victim, sort of like brainwashing them. It's definitely strange because we watch and wonder why they don't fight back. It's difficult to understand until you've been in that position.
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Yeah but, I'll think hmm.. We're all unchained, and here sitting with him.... Ding!!!!
shareDoubtful. I imagine that cyber hero attitude, which is so easy when you're safe at home on a computer, would disappear pretty quickly if you went through what they did. This crappy movie didn't capture a fraction of the horror that they went through...try reading the 2 books they wrote instead. When you've been starved and tortured to near-insanity, it doesn't matter if there are three of you. They were all unbelievably weak. Michelle was actually dying. The movie didn't capture their actual physical or mental state at all.
They had no access to weapons. No access to knives or anything except for butter knives. They couldn't gang up on him because he was a big guy getting all the food and sustenance he wanted, and no one was beating the sh!t out of him daily. The girls, on the other hand, were all malnourished, chained down to where they could barely move (therefore severe muscle atrophy), and by the time he started bringing them all into the same room without the chains (which, by the way, wasn't until they'd been in that hellhole for YEARS), they were too physically messed up to pose a threat.
Additionally, he rarely gave them a chance to talk...he'd made them stay quiet and sit separately a lot of the time, so even if they were in the same room, they didn't get to connect. He destroyed their minds so much that they could barely think. Gina was basically having a psychotic break and started cutting herself. He told all of them lies about the others, so that they hated each other. He played mind games to make them think they could hurt him or team up or get away, and then tortured them even more when they took the bait.
Under those conditions, after a point you just don't think about escape or fighting back because in your head it's all a trick. As they say in the books - and has been said by virtually EVERY long term abduction survivor - victims get to a point where their captor seems god-like, all-seeing and all-knowing, and you just start running on autopilot.
It's easy to talk big from behind your screen but if you survived what they did, I doubt you'd do any better. I doubt any of us would
He un chained them to cook and clean for him also, and he really let his guard down allot especially when the baby was born.
shareHe un chained them to cook and clean for him also
Not sure I understand your point. Everything that I wrote above still applies. He only unchained them one at a time for years, and by the time he was letting them all down to the living room unchained, they were far too much of a wreck to gang up on him...even if they'd been talking and trusted each other, which they didn't. There was literally no way for them to jump the guy. They had no weapons, no strength and no chance to coordinate, and he was the one with the gun, the locked doors, the size, strength and weight. You make it sound so easy, like a lightbulb should've gone off and they could have beaten his ass in as a team. You don't seem to understand that it wasn't physically possible at that point. share
IMO he instilled so much fear inside all three of them that they were basically conditioned to not fight back. At times, he kept them unchained and purposely acted like he left the house. When they would go downstairs, he would beat them. This happening over and over for years would condition the victim, sort of like brainwashing them. It's definitely strange because we watch and wonder why they don't fight back. It's difficult to understand until you've been in that position.
^^This.^^ What happened to these girls has been found in other captives under similar circumstances.
Stockholm syndrome is a good psychological phenomenon for people to read about, but it doesn't entirely explain what went on with Michelle, Amanda, and Gina. Stockholm Syndrome really pertains to people who start to identify with their captor, to the point of caring about their well-being and thinking they feel closeness with them. Many times, sufferers refuse to testify against their captors because they don't want to seem unloyal; some have even helped fund criminal defenses of their captors.
It is possible any or all of the girls here have had moments that seemed to resemble Stockholm syndrome, but ultimately that is not what caused them to not try to escape sooner. Like what Tracey said, their psyches were completely broken, they were physically weak, and had been tested by Castro before, and they paid dearly for it.
Victims in these situations often shut down and revert to their primal drive for survival. Survival for them usually does not include fighting back, even in times where we as those on the outside could say, "that could have been a good time to strike back; why didn't that happen?" It is hard to understand how terribly someone can be psychologically controlled after being physically restrained, threatened, and hurt, and the ramifications it can have. share
Stockholm Syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Ya Know, you idiots, he had a gun as well. 3 skinny girls suffering from Malnutrition, beatings, both mentally and physically....he a big man who chained them and drugged them downstairs like rag dolls. Raping them almost daily individually, aborting Michelle's babies with barbells......and you wonder why these little girls didn't overtake him? Pathetic!!!!
shareSure they were terrified of him; however, they already were living in hell, so what would they really had to lose? But IMO, their fear of him is not what prevented them from trying to attack him (there's no way that in 11 years, the opportunity wouldn't have presented itself many times - or couldn't they find a way to somebody's cell phone?? It's like what another poster said: 'Stockholm Syndrome.' That's when the victims identify with and even start to love' their abductors. It's a survival mechanism/strategy.
shareAManda stated she didn't attack him after her daughter was born, because if he killed her then her daughter would be stuck with Castro for the rest of her life.
shareThis is why they say he played them against each other. If they did get along, somewhere in those 11 years they would have ganged up on him. It's a shame they couldn't get the chain around his neck and strangle him.
shareThey did not have Stockholm Syndrome, that is an almost loving feeling towards your capture and not once in their books do they feel this way. They hate him every day, like the user mentioned above, being raped, beat and forced to do things for 10 years will completely mess up your hard. After being tricked multiple times for almost escaping and then beat, I imagine you give that up. Also Michelle mentions everyday that she is living for her son. If she didn't have a son, I don't think she would've made it. And whose cellphone????? Your captured and chained, raped and kept nearly naked for years, your going to find someones cell phone and just dial out??? I feel like questiong anything these girls did is just stupid and wrong. You get beat, raped, have blood, urine and seamon on your naked body for years and see how you do!
shareWow, panson1, I hadn't realized that he drugged them, too. Do you know what drug he used?
Gina talked about on 20/20 how she fantasized putting rat poison in his beans and pouring Pine-Sol into his eyes.
shareWouldn't your fight-or-flight instincts kick in? I know mine would.
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