Gordo's revenge was that Simon will never know if Gordo raped his wife. Sure he can get a paternity test and easily determine whose baby is it. So if it is Gordo's baby, Simon's life is ruined. If it isn't Gordo's baby and it's Simons, that still doesn't mean Gordo didn't rape her and Simon would always wonder whether he raped her, he could never know for sure. Either way Gordo wins.
You're so right. It was the other guy he got fired that raped his wife. Or maybe the guy that vouched for him for the promotion did it as revenge. Are you stupid?
finally someone. i can't believe so many people think that gordo actually raped her. the whole point of the film is how something that is said or even just implied can escalate up to a point that it ruins lifes. gordo's life got destroyed that way and as revenge he ruined simons in exchange. first of all it would have been completely out of character and secondly there really was no need to. he planted the seed into simon's head, who was already a mentally unstable bully. eventually simon's punishment went on in his own head. he could not ask his wife for a DNA test without explaining or showing the video, which would have destroyed her as a person, which then again would have been his call. on the other hand, with the rape implied simon would never know, also destroying him mentally. there is no way that relationship would end happily ever after.
An alternate ending that was filmed reveals that Gordo did not rape Robyn, though even in the alternate ending Gordo does not tell Simon that he did not rape her.
Also I doubt Gordo even raped her. I don't think he would do that because it seemed like he respects her. He just gets off making Simon wonder whether or not he did.
I agree. Gordo said on the phone "see what happens when you poison peoples' minds with ideas". I think he just did the same thing that Simon did back at school. In both cases nothing actually happened but they just never tell the truth and ruined each others lives.
^^ Absolutely correct. Gordo's revenge of creating a lie that leaves real-life destruction in its wake is exactly what was done to him in the first place.
Well I've tried to get coy for my house 5 times and they wind up dead within a week. Now unless my little girl is poisoning them they might just not be able to acclimate to the new environment.
Gordo is giving 'The Gift' to Simon, and purposely excluding Robyn (2 bottles of wine, which he knows she doesn't drink). He heard Robyn sticking up for him when surveilling them during the dinner at 'Gordo's mansion', and again at the group dinner (Gordo had been in the house, had the keys for long enough to make the imprint for a copy as he was trained in the army for black-bag surveillance, and had set up the 'bigscreen' in which he accessed the Wi-Fi and two-way functions for listening.)
Bonus points if you figured out Gordo is gay. Robin intuited it, and Simon knew it (but tried to convince Robin that Gordo was attracted to her). There is a bonus feature on the DVD that makes it plain Gordo didn't rape her, and also returned the dog unharmed. He did kill the fish, which was another sincere 'gift' from him and represents 'kindness, friendship, and love' in Japanese culture, where Gordo was stationed in the army before receiving a 'dishonorable discharge' which is what is received for homosexual behavior.
I don't think the paternity test is that simple either...how does Simon explain to his wife why he wants a paternity test? He is stuck wondering for the rest of his life whether that's his kid or not...the ultimate *beep* you to Simon from gordo.
For those interested, the alternate ending on the Blu-ray spells everything out, replaying key moments entirely from Gordon's point of view. Gordo did not rape Robyn. After he stops recording on the camera, he stops short of doing anything else.
There is also a short clip of Gordo with Mister Bojangles; he did take the dog.
Edgerton says in the introduction that he felt the ending (rightfully) gives away too much information and breaks focus away from Simon. But it's still interesting to see.
Even before reading this, I didn't really feel that Gordo would have raped her, because of his line, "good things should happen to good people". And, his beef wasn't with her. Plus, in all of his spying, she came off as sympathetic to him.
I don't know whether Gordo "won or lost" in the end, but he certainly did a mind phuk on Simon. Will Simon change? Who knows. Some bullies grow up and feel great embarrassment and shame at their former behavior, while others were and are still bullies as adults because in their view the "weak" deserve what they get. IMO Simon seemed like the latter.
I don't necessarily think that a rape would pull the two of them back together. She would've been 'raped' because of the way her husband behaved, and continued to behave, towards another human being who had done no harm to him. Not exactly a turn-on.
She doesn't have a thing for bad guys, each new thing she learnt about Simon shocked and appalled her, that he was a bully, the details of what happened to Gordo and his family as a result of what he did, his destruction of his rival for the job, the background checks, and what happened when he went to "apologise". The last of which was the straw the broke the camels back as I saw it, causing her to leave. I also got the impression it made her realise a few things about the way he treated her.
Simon feels as lots of bullies do that he deserved what happened to him in high school because he was weak, however Simon suffers from a different kind a weakness, he is a manipulative, controlling liar who has no concern about hurting others for his own gain. He will schmooze his way into another job but I understood it was sales, an industry where image is everything and executives from other companies talk to each other, he trod on a lot of toes so the job he does get won't be at his previous pay grade which will kill him as he still feels he's done nothing wrong.
I just wish it was written so the babys paternity could be permenantly ambiguous. I like the idea of him walking a mile in Gordo's shoes for 20 odd years.
I believe it goes back to what the Simon's chiropractor friend, Greg, said about a lie manifesting itself into something much bigger than it originally was intended to be.
Simon and Greg lied about catching Gordo with another man, spreading the rumor that he was a homosexual. Other strains of the story was that he was molested, as heard by Simon's sister. Both turned out to be false. Gordo, not being a star athlete, an overachiever or a brainiac, had it rough as a child - he didn't have anything to fall back on in terms of personal achievement; his dad tried to burn him due to Simon's lie, even. There is no doubt Gordo tried to tell his dad it was a lie, but his dad didn't believe him. Now the cards are turned.
The phrase "there's no place like home" has meaning here. Gordo still lives in the same area where he grew up, but he has bad memories of the place. Why he stays is a good question. He also hasn't been much of a success in his career, being a trivia host at an unknown LA bar. On the other hand Simon has succeeded, moved away from his hometown and found a wife and a career in Chicago. Robyn gets pregnant but in the end the baby did not survive (why else would they have baby stuff). In order to help move away from that tragedy, Simon takes a job in the general area where he grew up. In some ways it's returning home, but not entirely since he and Robyn live in a new house, in a new neighborhood unfamiliar to them. They want to create new memories, to erase the tragedy of the failure of having a child.
As the movie slowly tells us, Simon isn't completely honest. He was the main party that manifested a lie which emotionally and psychologically scarred Gordo. In part, Gordo's current state is because of Simon. Some of it is due to his upbringing with a less-than mentally stabled father. You might even say his father's "gift" to Gordo is his sociopathic ways.
Robyn is much more open minded towards Gordo, not really judging him on his behavior to get close to Simon and her. She sees his efforts as endearing. As she learns about her husband's past she sees Gordo as the victim. It comes to a point where Robyn wants Simon to apologize to him. As the movie shows, that attempt was a complete failure. Later Simon lies to Robyn that it all went well.
As Simon lied about Gordo during their childhood, Gordo's revenge is to lie about Simon. His failed apologize served as the perfect way to manifest the lie that Simon physically assaulted Gordo. His attempt is to make Simon into even a more bigger liar than he already was. This is part of Greg's "it's amazing how an idea can take hold" line as well as "I don't really know who you are," as said by Robyn to Simon.
Gordo appeared to Robyn as if Simon's apology turned out very wrong, which it did, but he manifested his actual injuries in the confrontation. Robyn now believes that her husband, who already indirectly sabotaged another person's career to get ahead, is not only a liar, but a liar who resorts to physical violence. That's Gordo's revenge. Gordo wants the one person that mean's the most to Simon to believe that he's the biggest jerk.
Another series of lines by Robyn is "when someone lies to you enough, you stop believing in what they say. All this time I thought I was crazy. But I'm not. And you led me," to Simon. This goes to part of the ending on whether or not the baby is Gordo's or Simon's. Gordo is leading Simon to believe that he raped Robyn. I believe he didn't. It's a way to play mind games, as well as emotional, with Simon.
Of course, some say that the aforementioned line might not play that way because if Simon showed Robyn the tape she wouldn't believe him. I think that Robyn would believe him. The way the tape was recorded would defeat common sense.
I think this ending, though thought provoking, is a major weakness of the film if not the sole iceberg that would sink it. It's one thing to lead on your bully play mind games if his wife's child is his or not, it's another to tape yourself supposedly raping her. The seed of doubt is planted, but Gordo's plan looses. Let's say Gordo did in fact rape Robyn and the baby is his - the evidence that he entered their home uninvited, built the narrative that he drugged her, and later raped her, again, would defeat the purpose of Gordo's revenge. Unless Gordo goes to their home and destroy's the disc the disc is the only evidence needed to put him jail.
So in the end, the whole mind game, borrowing from Rosemary's Baby, is a loose thread. In the end it doesn't really work unless Gordo's wants to be caught by the wrong people. As Simon told a lie to beat his competitor for a promotion, Gordo builds upon the already unsavory picture of Simon that Robyn has in her mind. Her "I don't want to go back to that house with you [Simon]," is the building block of lost trust that Gordo takes advantage of.
Note: They key that Gordo gives Simon, what's that about? I know it to a bedroom closet/door, but I didn't catch any door being not accessible. It could be a clue that maybe the house that Simon and Robyn moved into was Gordo's childhood home, after all he did compliment its architecture when he first visited the house to look for Simon.
i gotta disagree on the ending though: in the video he wears a mask and there are no other indications that it is him. also, it is established, that he did not rape her. also, there was no need to. the only thing that i would consider problematic would be the handwriting on the disks.