Is it criticizing current mentality of German citizens or is it promoting it?
From my view islam is the new Nazis and they are invading, this movie brings this problem forward while still maintaining its humoristic tone. Or did I misinterpret the plot?
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The movie seems balanced at first, but it's clear as it progresses that it tries to portray anyone who is critical of mass muslim immmigration as idiots.
The movies ends with a montage of Pegida manifestations, some curent European right wing party leaders and supposed racist trashing things. After that, the agenda behind this movie is obvious.
I think for native Germans the movie began making its "point" early in the film when the freelancer and Hitler were on their road trip and the "random citizens" began making comments about immigrants that sounded right out of Hitler's playbook.
In translation or with subtitles and to a non-German audience I think those scenes had less resonance.
I think it did become more obviously ideological in the last third or so of the film, regardless of viewer or language. But I think it also lost some of its sense of humor and irony in the process.
I think it would have been better if the movie had stayed more focused on Hitler as contemporary social critic, finding fault with all of contemporary society for various reasons (i.e., Hitler believing the Greens were somehow his spiritual heirs).
It might have even been more incisive (and funny) to have him try to join forces with the Greens and explain to them how they represented the spirit of the Volk.
I am interested in how the Vox Pops were edited. The vast majority were supportive of Hitler. The main exception being the obviously distressed man in Bayreuth (of all places) who said wtte This is bad for Germany ... I should chase you off the street. Did the editors deliberately remove critical comments or is this how a large number of Germans think?
shareI would guess that Germans are like anybody else and many are prone to see immigrants as disruptive to their lifestyles and personal economic situation. It's also a bit of a conceit to assume that opposition to unrestrained immigration can't be principled and something other than overt racism. It's a bit of a gimmick to show people espousing those views in the presence of a man who looks like Hitler. It's draws an unfair comparison and combined with the "man at the bar" nature of random citizens commenting, doesn't exactly allow them to be portrayed as thoughtful commentators.
The film obviously doesn't work if everyone is outraged that a man is dressing, looking and sounding like Adolf Hitler. My guess is that in German public that's exactly the response he would get, so in order to make the film's point about the public's susceptibility to Nazi ideology they had to show him getting some kind of response that appeared to align with Hitler's thinking.
However, I'm not German and I don't know how real Germans think, so it's hard to know exactly the kinds of opinions people actually have when they're not in fear of social judgement, or some cases in Germany, actual prosecution, considering Germany's laws outlawing Nazism.
I don't think it's unfair at all. I think that juxtaposition shows how seemingly "reasonable"but often uninformed and unclear positions can be used by demagogues to build a following. These people aren't in league with Nazi's but their perspective on things could be made to align with that of Nazi's given enough time, prodding and pivoting. It's the Overton window effect. Slowly want was once unacceptable becomes plausible and even sensible.
I mean,notice how the OP said Muslims are pretty much Nazi's and no one challenged him. Instead, everyone is stepping over themselves to show that they aren't racist they just don't want Muslims in their country.
Well, I disagree with you there because no one has held that position, ever. Not even the most liberal people would agree that unlimited immigration for all and sundry is a good idea. And suggesting that the choice is between the positions held by the very right wing people in the movie of banning particular races or religions (or even expelling such persons, even if they are native born German) and allowing anyone who wants in to come in, no limits, is just false. I don't think it is at all unfair to portray someone who takes either of those positions as idiots, either for being hateful bigots or being naive. A reasonable person would be for reasonable restrictions and limits on immigration, not complete bars based on irrelevant characteristics, and what those might be is certainly up for debate.
And to the person who suggested that those who are not German cannot relate to this film, I don't think that's true. With the gains in right wing extremist political parties in Europe generally and the current hatred towards Muslims proliferating in the US, and to some extent Canada (the previous PM pandered to that tendency on the right in his attempt to get re-elected last year...it got ugly), I think people can understand. I certainly did. One of the first things I considered was a parallel to the current presidential election going on in the US, given Trump's fascist tendencies and wide appeal. Certainly, I don't think he's quite Hitler (certainly, while he speaks a bit like that, I think it is mainly pandering and nonetheless, among other things, he is not likely competent enough to accomplish it if he did go for it), but the real possibility he could win is terrifying in and of itself.
The left alines with hitler more than the right does. Have you ever heard one of his speeches? Its sounds like a bernie rally with more enthusiasm. The 15/hr party is the workers party. When hitler said "jews" and went to national socialism, he was talking about big banks. Jews= "the banks, the banks". The fascist today are the never trumpers and the pc crowd, obviously. They are anarchist. Its fight club come to life. They are the secret police the left likes to yield on political opponents. A lefty will watch this movie and think in their head hitler doesnt like muslims in the same way the rights dont in the US(all of the eu actually). But really one could replace muslims in this movie or jews back in hitlers day with Christian conservative, right wing. When the entire justice department is on the take. The presidents chiefs of staff were all hand picked for control over the media (seriously, every conference room is wall to wall with politcal news allies.wifes, brothers, sisters of network presidents. Its efin crazy.). The latest with clinton goes to show the level of collusion in our government.
All this stuff is to distract the people from seeing whats really going on at our border between the incredibly brutal and ruthless savagery by the cartels that spill over our border or from the ruthless savages obama and clinton are bringing over from syria. These are peaceful muslims seeking the american dream. Best case scenario is the refugess wanted to get out of the warzone. Doesnt mean they dont cheer and eat popcorn and watch the public execution of gays, christians. Moderates eat popcorn and take in the show. Radicals are the ones cutting throats. Thats the true. Just so people know the fleas we will be lying down with. They didnt seek the freedoms of america. They were forced onto the shores by governent. At best the refugees just didnt want to get bombed. But they have no interest in abandoning their faith which i. Their strict upbringing and practicing directly conflicts with a free society. We can already see what a disaster this has been for the EU, with the attack there and the mass rapings and stuff. Actual rape attacks. Not just bombing now. Actual rape attacks. Age doesnt really matter. 11&up females are now in danger in these places. So along with the stay crowds in the eu and the left crowds in the us, they all have had a part in this and are accomplises as far as im concerned. They cant have it both ways. You cant fight and campaign for something, get warned about the dangers it is on a free society and the crazy culture clash that will ensue. Then when these things happen, wash your hands of it. The people that fight for this global shift are accomplices. Accomplices to rape and terror attacks on western soil. The left is for rape of children and terror attacks. Thats what they stand for and thats what they want to bring into our countries.
And people that throw the term islamphobia around are efin nitwits. Their so caught up in their virtual signaling. Their look how progressive i am motivations. Naive and ignorant to the reality of the world. These people havnt a clue that a moderate muslim from syria is still an extreme right this country has never seen before.
shareYou're spouting disinformation. Hitler was in the middle of the left - right economic spectrum. He was also extremely authoritarian. Politics is more complicated than just left and right.
shareBy calling out islam you are calling out 1.6 billion people. How ignorant can one be?
shareIt's a backwards ideology by most western standards which includes most of its 1.6 billion followers so I fail to see your point.
share1,6 billion, out of which at least 30% hold dangerous beliefs such as death penalty for homosexuals and apostates who leave Islam.
He's calling out at least 500 millions people.
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Can you provide ANY data to back up this claim?
shareHere's an appetizer: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
Let me emphasize that these are British Muslims. Muslims in Islamic countries are much, much worse.
"Islam" is not 1.6 billion people...that would be all Muslims. I'm not just splitting hairs here either - you can call out bad ideas as they are written and carried out and not generalize against an entire group of people. You can also refer to the multiple Pew polls and other reputable polls that point out just how many millions of people hold specific insane beliefs by country (atleast you can in the ones you can even do the polls in). Such as is killing homosexuals a good idea, is suppressing most women's rights a good idea, is killing apostate's a good idea, should thieves have their hands cut off, do you support ISIS, etc. Now OBVIOUSLY it's "not all", it's NEVER all, but that's a childish argument as I don't think anyone here has said "all Muslims." Also, the ending of this movie is f-cking stupid.
The struggle to free myself from restraints becomes my very shackles.
in islam, women arent women, just objects.
so yeah, i consider 1.6 billion people to be idiots.
Well that view is certainly not true to everyone belonging to islam, just like executing unruly children isn't true to all jews. Just like there are varying degrees of how literal people interpret and follow what is written in the bible there are varying degrees for those putting their faith in the quran.
But from my perspective everyone that is religious is an idiot so I'd put the actual number closer to 6.5 billion idiots.
It's not about religion, but more about culture and way of thinking.
You can't put together europeans with people from the middle east for example.
90% of the "invaders" don't know anything about laws, being correct, having morals ecc.
How would you integrate a man who thinks, that a woman is an object and has no rights? You can't.
How would you integrate that woman, who was sitting at home her whole life, doing a servant life with no rights at all? You can't.
its different. a muslim woman grows believing she is nothing but a tool.
if one emigrates to a civilized country, she will adapt with the proper education, slowly realizing that she is a person, with rights, and not just a tool.
a muslim man wont. he will instead demand that everyone around him do as he says. specially if there are women around.
for example, a german school ordered that all girls stop wearing skirts because it would offend a group of invaders that live nearby. in my country, that event wouldnt happen. the invaders would either be forced to relocate, or learn to live with it. we dont adapt to other people, they adapt to us, or leave.
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Islam =/= muslims. When will people learn this?
shareHow ignorant can we be indeed to allow 1,6 billion of evil flourish and invite it into our countries?
shareFrom my view islam is the new Nazis and they are invading
One could even go so far and start believing that the "right" and the "left" are both instruments to get the masses dancing.
Like some *beep* up version of Hegel's Dialectic.
Is this movie politically correct?
islam is the new Nazis and they are invading
these people are fleeing the horrors of their homeland.
Is it criticizing current mentality of German citizens or is it promoting it?
From my view islam is the new Nazis and they are invading, this movie brings this problem forward while still maintaining its humoristic tone. Or did I misinterpret the plot?
This film is excellent and raises questions that all the main political parties are ignoring i.e. there is a huge and I mean huge discontentment in Europe that is growing daily with regard to immigration, if the idiots that currently run Germany, France, Italy, Spain the U.K. etc... don't address the issues that people are angry about then history will repeat itself,and the morons that think they can crush opinions with "political correctness" will only have themselves to blame. At the present time Europe is a powder keg just waiting to be lit.
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