Three of the CIA CSR Team were on the Megan Kelly show on FNC and they said they WERE told to stand down. Why would they lie? Why would anyone choose to believe Hillary's spin doctors? They lied through their Friggin Teeth!
If there is any justice, this will torpedo Hillary, that lying b**ch!
Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and / or doesn't.
Yeah but the order was from the CIA annex- not the Secertary of state so not sure your point.
shareThe responsibility for providing a plan of defense rests on Hillary Clinton. She attempted a cover up using the families of the dead soldiers
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The responsibility for protecting the CIA annex does NOT rest with Hillary, it rests with the CIA.
The people who died at the annex were not (current) soldiers, they were "civilian" contractors.
Hillary absolutely lied about the nature of the attack, but that isn't what's being discussed here.
If there was a "stand down" order, and I do tend to believe that there was, it came from the on-the-ground head of the annex - a CIA manager - and from no one else. The State Department has no say over what the CIA does in such situations.
I realize that any facts that get in the way of your narrative can only come from "propagandists" (such a curiously ironic use of that word, coming from one who is incapable of seeing beyond the propaganda that they have chosen to believe), but these are facts, and they don't really care what you think of them.
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
Hillary and Obama lied about the nature of the attack because it shows they were not covering all bases. Where was the air power? Hillary was asleep on the job. Obama is too starry-eyed.
Where was the military back up?
Do you honestly believe that we have "air power" and "military back up" on station at every diplomatic facility, everywhere around the world, at all times? I hate to break it to you, but that's simply not how it works.
There are legitimate questions about the security provided to the State Department facility at Benghazi. But, with EXTREMELY limited exception, there is no permanent, stand by air/military force on hand to provide security to a diplomatic facility.
More DS agents, a more robust local guard force (or a third-country force not involved in the internal militia politics of Libya), a larger security detail for the Ambassador - these are all arguable points. But they are also points that are addressed at a lower level than SecState, generally speaking, and are not the result of the President being "starry-eyed." I am no fan of this administration, but I do know how diplomatic security works...
Also: While it cannot be proven, it stands much more to reason that the administration lied about the motivations for the attack because it was an election year, and a pre-planned terrorist attack would have played much worse for Obama's re-election campaign than a "random mob attack" inspired by a YouTube video; not because they were trying to cover up some conspiracy to under-protect the facility at Benghazi...
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
That's the reason for Hillay's cover up: to make Obama look like he is in control and covering all bases. He isn't. And Hillary knows the attack was not due to a utube.
Why did Chris Kyle lie?
If there is any justice you might realize your American heroes lying as well.
Chris Kyle was the sniper in American Sniper. You are deliberately using the wrong movie.
Therefore, why are you lying?
The OP asked why would they lie? I am answering that anyone can lie about something thats why.
The three soldiers could have easily lied about what happened just like Chris Kyle did.
Chris Kyle did not lie. You are a propagandist.
shareChris Kyle absolutely, positively, and irrefutably lied, in at least three instances, about his activities "back home" after his service. Does this make his service less valuable? Of course not. But he did lie, in print, and he was found guilty of doing so in one case (the others lies had no "victims," so no one sued him over them, but they are lies nonetheless).
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
Kyle was never proven to have lied. He was not alive to defend himself. Jesse Ventura was wrong to have attacked the dignity of the Seals.
Jesse Ventura deserved to to slapped down or hit. Jesse sued to protect his image as a phoney wrestler hero. Kyle's wife was left with a lawsuit she could not defend because Kyle was dead.
Jessse Ventura was a navy seal, commander of his states national guard and advocate for veterans since before Kyle was born, not just a wrestler. His politics are kooky, but he was at the event to honor navy seals, Kyle tried to promote his book and cash in a lil extra by causing a celebrity controversy and made up a story basically calling a decorated fellow seal a traitor. Ventura began the lawsuit when Kyle was alive, he didn't wait until he couldn't defend himself, at the time Kyle claimed the fight happened Ventura was still flying in from Mexico, no one at the time knew about it and no one claimed to have witnessed it except friends of Kyle. If there was no way of knowing, do you think a jury would choose to brand a decorated veteran a liar? Ventura did not win because there was no one to argue with him, but because there was overwhelming evidence including witnesses and security footage at the bar that none of it happened.
Also, Ventura sued the publisher of the book for printing the libel without fact checking, and using it as a stunt to increase sales. Kyle's family were never in danger of paying a cent as the settlement comes from the insurance taken out by the publisher, his wife lied for sympathy that she and the kids would lose money, it never happened, it never was going to happen.
Kyle also lied that he had been mugged by 2 Mexicans at a gas station in Texas, gunned both down and drove off. No bodies ever found, no reports of such an incident, Kyle evaded giving details despite the fact it would be justifiable homicide so he had no reason to fear it being looked into if it was real.
Kyle also claimed that he and another soldier, who was dead and therefore could not answer the accusations, gunned down dozens of looters in Katrina from the top of the Superdome. Again, no bodies fitting his story, the arena was being used as a shelter, several hundred people inside never heard any shots, and if it had been true, Kyle was boasting about murdering US citizens in crisis. The guy for some reason was insecure and needed to elaborate his record. He also at various times inflated his kill count then tried to deny doing so later.
Oh plus there was the fact the Kyle family claimed they would donate most of the royalties from the book to veterans families, instead they pocketed it, Kyles wife said in court that they couldn't donate more than 13 grand to any particular family due to gift tax laws, but they only donated 50 grand or so, in other words 4 families, and then kept 98% of the profits, and veterans charities said there was no upper limit to donations. Advertising that buying a product will support a charitable cause leads more people to buy it, doing so to increase profit with the intention of keeping it is pretty low.
shareThe promise of gift giving was from Kyle, not his family or wife. He's dead. She doesnt have to comply.
You stated some money was given to vets. There was no promise of a dollar sum or percentage given. She should keep the money for her own family, she is a vet family.
The Mexicans he allegedly shot may have survived. It is said that Jesus survived the cross and was made stronger in the cave by the Essenes. When he was seen walking, this was proof he was in the afterlife.
Katrina kills may have been a bluff in order to keep looting down. Soldiers and policeman bluff to keep the peace.
Ventura was a Seal, but he likely got puffed up and talked down to a Seal. Kyle may have back handed him. Videos are routinely taken down by property owners in order to eliminate their liability for injuries on their property. I myself was a victim of an attack in a convience store. I called the police. The owner gave him a dud tape; now there is no evidence. No complications.
You have simple answers which are only convincing to a person with little education.
Ok...let me get this straight. Mexican carjackers = Jesus. This is what you have to believe in order to hold on to this inexplicable desire to assign sainthood to Kyle. Seriously. Ok, I think we can all agree that you're just bat *beep* and move on.
(Oh, and yes, writing about shooting looters years after the event will definitely keep people from looting...years before it's written about. Are you starting to see how insane you sound? And by "sound" I mean "are." Have a nice day...)
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
Again, you are misplacing my thoughts. During a looting crisis, police or Army may distribute stories to possible looters that there are snipers in the area killing looters. This "fear them message" will keep people out of an area. This secures the area.
The Mexicans likely survived. There are many places one can be wounded not killed.
Kyle's wife can make the choice to keep the money from the book. There is no contract or partnership between her and any vets group. She was never in the military. She never made any promises. And it was never known if the book would turn a profit.
I have never heard of insurance for a publisher.
Not that any actual evidence will sway you from your hero worship, but it now appears that Kyle may have also lied about his military decorations. I know, I know, it must have been Mexican Jesus who swept in and changed his records, after Kyle killed him in a wild-west shootout and then told the cops "you don't have to thank me, 'cause I was never here" and disappeared into a puff of SEAL smoke...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/05/25/how-american-sniper-chris-kyles-truthfulness-is-in-question-once-again/?tid=sm_fb
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
Kyle's wife likely was given producer credit for the movie. Same happen in movie "The Pursuit of Happyness". Chris Gardner got 3% of the gross for being on the set giving Will Smith advice, telling the story.
So, Kyle's wife may have earmed $15 million for being a on set producer, and then there is the fees paid for the overall story.
I heard Ventura sued and was awarded $1 million for the widow's failure to defend. He's suing a Seal Widow over bar room bull. Remember, no video tapes.
When you say "family" who are you referring to? Children dont make these promises. And Kyle's wife didnt. So you are twisting facts and creating propaganda.
shareHe was, in fact, proven to have lied. That's what we have courts for. To determine if there is sufficient proof that something did or did not occur. The Ventura story was fabricated, pure and simple.
Likewise, Kyle's story about shooting two would-be armed robbers/carjackers is supported by exactly zero evidence; evidence that would be easily found if it existed.
Further, Kyle's story about sniping Americans from to roof of the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina is also supported by exactly zero evidence, evidence that would also be easily found, if it existed.
Listen - Kyle was a great sniper, and an extremely effective warfighter. Why he chose to tarnish his wartime record with a string of peacetime lies is a mystery to me, but he did it. People are imperfect beings, even people who can read wind and distance really well...
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
You cannot say Kyle's actions were fabricated. You only have hearsay.
shareTo say that evidence is easily found shows your ignorance of criminals. Your pronouncement is puffery.
shareOne thing i know about courts, there is a whole lot of lying going on by many parties. Courts dont necessarily find the truth or the underlying motivations.
shareThat's what liberals and Democrats do. Just like in Baltimore dozens of cops can testify they were ordered to stand down and let the protesters riot and burn property, but the Democrat mayor and the Democrat Congressman Elijah Cummings (a jesse Jackson type Obama lapdog) continues to deny this.
shareThe man CIA chief there Named Bob was the one that told them to stand down. He was a moron anyway and even wanted to evac at such a wrong time. He then tells the media when the movie came out he never told them to stand down. I am sorry but there is nothing I would believe he ever would say.
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