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The movie doesn't blame Clinton.

posted 8 years ago by McPhersonJD
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The movie is basically about six heroes.

If there is a bad guy in this film, and there is not, it's the CIA Chief and staff who optimistically thought the protection of the Libyan Feb 17th guard would be enough.

I think the people who are ripping this movie haven't seen this move. The people who are saying "Never Hillary" are voicing a political view rather than a film review.

This movie isn't anymore about Hillary Clinton or President Obama than Black Hawk Down is about Bill Clinton. Black Hawk Down is a better film, but this film is definitely worth a viewing.

The only real jab of this film is why it took so long? Why not even a fly by? It spends about 10 seconds asking those questions. It could have given some answers, but it's not about that, it's about six soldiers.

As a film about six soldiers, and the difficulty of their situation, it's a pretty good film.

[–] RomeoQQ 8 years ago

How can the film give answers? Obama still didn't tell us where he were for those 13 hours. Hillary's department denied additional security for the ambassador who should have been travelling with 6 marines.

The sole blame here is on the state department and government. Don't forget they didn't even want the PMCs to go, but they still went because they're actual human beings and god damn heroes.

Go watch some of the interviews with the guys who the movie portrays, and tell any of us in here with a straight face that this isn't blaming specific people...

Editing in a link to one of the interviews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOlgAK5iAtI

Almost want to call you a shill, the only other option is you're someone who doesn't do any research or a simple google before opening your mouth.

[–] One-Eyed_Jack 8 years ago

Obama still didn't tell us where he were for those 13 hours.

Well, that's not a sentence...

Hillary's department denied additional security for the ambassador who should have been travelling with 6 marines.

So? It's not like they were in Libya to protect American freedom in the first place. The sole purpose of the CIA and their contractors being stationed in Libya was to oversee the international arms trade. Did you miss that bit?

The sole blame here is on the state department and government.

For what exactly? For doing their job of overseeing the international arms trade and getting themselves in a bit of a predicament in the middle of a revolution? These things are expected. It's part of the job. These guys didn't sign up for these jobs not expecting to take meaningless risks for money.

Almost want to call you a shill, the only other option is you're someone who doesn't do any research or a simple google before opening your mouth.

Yeah, bud, it kinda sounds like you're the one you should have done your research...

[–] RomeoQQ 8 years ago

Those replies are outrageous, you might have seen the movie but you clearly didn't understand it.

Interviews with personnel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8V5p4sL2K0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1HVQL5xeXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtYqpKJTH_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kXsy9ecFSQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nypvEc3olyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbZjl0ivhBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCikokTwC1g

13 hours Benghazi - Operators Full Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtnIJzkJskQ

You also dodge the important questions, such as both Hillary and Obama not being available for the 13 hours, still with no explanation of their whereabouts at the time.

If we were to go by what you believe is right, the CIA operators should have let the Ambassador and his DS staff die, luckily instead they disobeyed instructions and went to save the Americans at the embassy outpost.

There were plenty of help available, such as air support (confirmed by fighter pilot), which could easily have been inserted if either Hillary or Obama would have been available during the 13 hours to give authorization.

They also blamed the incident on a youtube video and demonstration that never happened.

[–] debmet59-1 8 years ago

Obviously, you have an agenda and your reading comprehension is questionable. The OP said his comment was strictly about the film. Nothing more.

[–] McPhersonJD 8 years ago

I understood the movie very well. Like the director of the film, I chose to focus what the movie was about rather than what it wasn't about.

The film is about the heroics of six men.

If you want to talk about Benghazi, there are better places. As a film, it's a pretty effective film.

People are dissing this film based on their politics. Which is a joke because it's not a political film.

[–] stevegrayston-75-221538 8 years ago

just curious but what do you think they were doing ? having drinks and cigars joking about the whole thing?

[–] jmax7 8 years ago

Ah, the myth that neither Obama nor Clinton was "present" or available during the attacks. It is documented that President Barack Obama was in the Oval Office for at least part of the time. With Leon Panetta and the CJCS for part of that time. Both of them testified before Congress that the president instructed them to do whatever was necessary to help the Americans in Benghazi. There is zero evidence that this is not true.

As to Secretary Clinton, she was in her office at the State Department until the evening when she left for home. At home she continued to engage with the president, David Petraeus of the CIA, Panetta at Defense, and the Chairman of the JCS. She also directly called Libya. She said she was up all night and there is no evidence to dispute that testimony.

[–] RomeoQQ 8 years ago

Interviews with personnel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8V5p4sL2K0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1HVQL5xeXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtYqpKJTH_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kXsy9ecFSQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nypvEc3olyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbZjl0ivhBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCikokTwC1g

13 hours Benghazi - Operators Full Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtnIJzkJskQ

[–] JoWilli (21654) 4 years ago

Well, that's not a sentence...

best deflection ever! i will use this from now on. lol

[–] McPhersonJD 8 years ago

I'm just talking about a film. I'm talking about six heroes. Michael Bay went out of his way to make this as non political as possible.

The film is about six heroes whose valor should be told in a movie. I wish people would stop making a story about six heroes about politics.

Of course, in today's climate, that impossible to do.

[–] RomeoQQ 8 years ago

The operators are not lying.

https://youtu.be/QtnIJzkJskQ?t=2146

These men are heroes, they're telling us what happened, they're putting blame on specifics.

No matter how much you wish this not to be, it is political, and it will always be political.

[–] titans_58 8 years ago

Shame on Hillary and I am glad this movie is out there now. She should never be our president. She failed. She has done everything but take responsibility and smiles about it with that stupid grin of hers.

[–] scoochie9 8 years ago

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/06/27/just-house-report-exonerates-hillary-clinton-benghazi-exposes-republican-witch-hunt/

[–] McPhersonJD 8 years ago

Two of the five soldiers got political. Two didn't. And one pretty much talked about what happened that night.

If you want to talk about two soldiers political beliefs, there are better places to do it.

[–] McPhersonJD 8 years ago

The movie... Let me repeat... THE MOVIE. Doesn't put any blame on the State Department or the President.

Two of the real life heroes of the movie do. That's two of five.

But that's Apples and Oranges. Unlike "Truth" and "Fair Game" which are complete propagandist Hollywood fabrications, this film is an accurate depiction of what these six soldiers experienced.

At that level, it's a good film.

[–] spookyrat1 8 years ago

The film is about six heroes whose valor should be told in a movie. I wish people would stop making a story about six heroes about politics.

Agreed.

Of course, in today's climate, that impossible to do.

Might as well try and stop the tides.🐭

[–] Vulcans_Rule 8 years ago

Correct.

I can see that 1449 morons gave this movie a rating of 1. I suspect almost all of them did not see the movie but assumed it was a political criticism of Clinton's inaction. It was not.

 Entropy ain't what it used to be.

[–] dealey52 8 years ago

I dare sat that the people who gave it a 1 were people who want to only blame Clinton for what happened. I think she was a few people back in the "blame line".

[–] robzilla_73 8 years ago

It's still very risky in today's political climate for even a heavyweight like Michael Bay to challenge the liberal establishment I.e hollywood, mainstream media, democrats. You HAVE to be a liberal democrat to get ANYWHERE in Hollywood. Bay was testing th waters. This movie might provoke a few minds to investigate the incident, and when they do, they'll discover the Truth that our current administration was behind this clusterf#ck...

[–] dragon_x 8 years ago

The movie doesn't blame Clinton.

The movie does not need to blame Mrs Clinton. She is guilty - at lest of gross negligence and I am happy she is not the Commander in Chief. Besides, she already served two terms - and her tour at the Department of State was a disaster.

[–] dealey52 8 years ago

And don't forget the Ambassador who was urged to LEAVE. All the other major countries staffs had left. RIP but I think he was an idiot.