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Who else saw themes of religion and morality in this film? (spoilers)


I can't recall the exact words of the conversation with Rocky and Alex, but I remember she said something about how a lady bug gave her hope during her detainment being trapped in the car by her mother as a child. She tells Alex she would have her tatoo colored once she makes it to Cali with her kiddo.

Then there was that conversation with Slang (Stephen Lang) about how when a man accepts there is no God then there is nothing he can't do- perhaps representing how he had come to embrace his own version of justice. Everything he did had a justifiable and even moral reason in his perspective: beating the *beep* out of the thieves because they robbed his house (reasonable to many people), detaining the woman who ran over his daughter so she could breed the daughter he lost (getting more *beep* up), and attempting to detain Rocky so she could be held accountable for her sins by raping her for who knows how long (super *beep* up).

It was almost as if any form of higher morality (conventional laws or some kind of religious moral code many claim to have) had left the Blind Man. You could almost suggest that he symbolizes what man devolves into without any kind of moral code to bound his behavior.

Of course it was easy for Rocky to become religious when she was on the verge of being raped for eternity in Slang's basement, but 'there is never an atheist in the fox hole,' as they say.

Then there was Alex. To me he represented the love that Rocky never had, that her mother nor father nor white trash boyfriend Money could or would give her. I've always heard and seen that unfortunately children from abusive households often have the sad fate of gravitating toward partners with the same flaws because that is the love they have come to known.

You could even see Rocky having some of those negative characteristics as her degrading influences (thinking she deserves the money more than the blind man because of her own plight and using her sex charm to reel Alex into the heist)

So later in the film, after Alex cheats death by hedgers (which indeed like many posters have been saying received a cheering clap from the audience) it almost felt like divine intervention. If he was to be kept alive just long enough to prove his love to Rocky before he met his inescapable fate in that forsaken house he was damn well going to do so, and he did, giving his resurrection a purpose.

When Rocky's attempt to escape during the dog chase scene gets foiled by her greed to keep the money and she's dragged back in, perhaps this is when she truly realizes she has kind of been a bitch and apologizes to Alex's lifeless corpse for luring him into this mess that would ultimately result in his death.

This is also perhaps when she realized Alex was the only one who truly loved her.

Next she sees the lady bug, directing her eyes to the security remote Alex put in place and informed her of, and she's given the same hope that she once had when she was imprisoned by her own mother as a child, a hope there is something better on the other side, a hope to cling onto. Taking advantage of this providence, she escapes.

In conclusion, I see this movie to have a fusion of several themes that at times seem semi religious: eye for eye justice, sacrifice, resurrection, forgiveness, and providence. It seemed that though Rocky had been immoral by a many standards, the Blind Man's retribution was on a scale that was beyond her pay grade.

I'm "not preaching the gospel" by any means, but I wanted to bring up an aspect to this movie I hadn't seen discussed yet. Being somewhere between a agnostic and a theist who has a strand of Christianity in there somewhere, I always appreciate subtle themes of religion in a film that offer hope and not push indoctrination.

Did anyone else pick up on these kinds of themes.


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Messages can mean a lot more than one thing so yes you can view it that way.

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It made my day someone responded to this.

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An interesting read

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Thank you

I loved the film and feel there is much to it that has yet to be discussed. Many posters seem hung up on rather it lived up to the acclaim its getting or how they feel the thieves all deserved to die, so I think there is some depth that is being overlooked.

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Yes, I picked up on these themes.

I agree with you, in that I feel there are much deeper thought-provoking spiritual or moral aspects to this movie which are not being discussed.

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Thank you for reading. Glad you saw something in all my rambles.

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I saw the themes. I sympathized with Lang's bitterness over the loss of his daughter, though I certainly did not condone his horrendous actions (killing the guys and keeping Cindy down there prisoner for the purpose of bearing his child).

I didn't, however, like his reasoning that he could do "anything" once he realized there was no god, including heinous acts. Too many people think atheists don't have any moral code simply because they don't believe in a god.
I think that's one of the most ignorant mindsets one can have. Atheists sometimes have higher moral codes than Christians do, because they don't believe in an afterlife, or that they'll get "treasures in heaven" if they do kind things for others in this life. Therefore most of them want to do as much good in this life as they can, not for any personal gain, but because it's the right thing to do.

As an agnostic slightly leaning toward deist, who was raised in a conservative Baptist household, I was raised to think atheists were immoral and scary. I'm glad I saw the ignorance of it all once I grew and learned.

I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about hehe.

To me, it wasn't greed that was fueling Rocky's desire for the money. Greed is just wanting the money for yourself. She wanted to get her sister out of their abusive home and away from their alcoholic mother...I assumed Diddy was her sister, anyway. I went to the bathroom after the opening scene, so I missed if they called her anything else.

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Haha I had a hard time figuring out what the kiddo was to Rocky as well.

I highly appreciate the thoughtful post.

It is interesting that in many of these hard R horror films that sneak religious themes into their wood works they usually tend to advocate what you just said tends to be the assumption- "that a lack of God means a lack of humanity and ultimately a form of evil." Which is anything but the case.

Despite how gruesome and harrowing the film is, Don't Breathe can be interpreted to fall into that category ever so subtly.

And I highly agree with your comment about how many atheist and agnostics have a strong moral code. Many of my college professors who taught me how to think not what to think seemed to have fallen under this category, and I have a few friends as well who are atheists that spend every waking moment they can in charity.

The only wide released horror, thriller film I can think of late that goes against the "lack of god lack of good" theme is The Grey.

It's not anti-god by any means, but it's two most memorable characters Ottoway (Neeson) is an agnostic and his dissident Diaz (Grillo) is a strong atheist. There are Christians amongst the crew but there is no prevalence of divine intervention or providence in this film at all haha

The takeaway of that film, with no spoilers, is to live every moment to the fullest and give it all you got.

I truly do believe a good film, like a book, gives you an intimate conversation with its makers- in this case the director and writer.

If that is the case, it seems to me Mr. Alvarez must be a very compelling individual haha.

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I didn't, however, like his reasoning that he could do "anything" once he realized there was no god, including heinous acts. Too many people think atheists don't have any moral code simply because they don't believe in a god.


Yeah... As someone who has been in a lot of friendly discussions with religious people about morality, this one really irked me. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it felt like the writers were voicing their own beliefs through the character.

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Interesting... I didn't think about how much the idea of god played into this movie, but you're right. There was a lot there. Jane Levy has described the movie as "not totally real life" and more "archetypal". With that in mind, it's almost as though the blind man is in hell. He has given up on his idea of god, and in a way it's almost sad that he lives and has to continue living with his misery. Rocky was able to hold onto her belief even though she was just as complicit in a world of sin, luring somewhat innocent Alex into this very heartless charade and caring more about the money than about what's "right." In a way, that final shot of her walking with her sister across the Departures arrow is sort of like her walking into the afterlife. I agree with you that Alex was the only one who really loved Rocky. I found his character very moving somehow.

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Thank you!

So glad you picked up on Alex being a symbol of love. And I very much resonate with the after life imagery you presented.

I think movies that capture the universal struggle of good and evil, even if the struggle takes place mostly within as in this film, tend to reach audiences on a deeper level, think 'star wars' or 'god father'. I personally believe the capturing of that struggle is one reason this film is doing so well, even though most people aren't picking up on it on a conscious level.

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Another thing you can note is that when Money sneaks into Slang's room (like that term) to drop the chloroform bomb, you see a mark on the wall that tells where a cross used to be. This could suggest he was once a religious man but lost his faith when his daughter died. And when the rich girl responsible for the hit-and-run got away with it, that only added fuel to the fire. This would make him see that the rules of right and wrong are pointless but only what he sees as being fair and equal.

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Great post... I had forgotten about that actually.

Another compelling, and disturbing image, is seeing the photo of the daughter of Slang flipped backward, perhaps symbolizing his skewed view of justice and retribution.

Can't wait to hear the commentary on this film...

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