Is artifical insemination rape? - Don't Breathe (2016) Discussion

[–] bowery_boy 8 years ago

If you're penetrating a woman against her will with any object then yeah, it's rape. Rape isn't sexual. It's about power. So, you don't necessarily need to use your penis to rape someone.

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[–] SWLinPHX-2 8 years ago

The blind man made it sound like he was more of a gentleman in that regard. When she said "please don't rape me" he made it clear that he would never force himself on any woman.

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[–] Don_Cheech 8 years ago

A turkey vaster full of spunk would certainly go down as rape- in the real world.

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[–] I_Luv_Apple 8 years ago

It's rape. You don't have to use your penis to penetrate someone. You could use an object and you would still go to jail for rape.

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[–] englisher101 8 years ago

Rape isn't sexual. It's about power.

If rape is about power, that wasn't rape. It was clear his only intention was to have a new child, not to dominate her or humiliate her or anything like that. Same goes for guys who just take advantage of a girl out of horniness -- if it was a sexual act then it's not rape, yeah?

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[–] bowery_boy 8 years ago

It as was definitely rape. He was in power by having her bound and gagged. He was going to penetrate her against her will with a turkey baster. He may have thought it wasn't rape but it definitely was.

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[–] whitespirit26 8 years ago

English, get some education or shut up.

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[–] bioskope 8 years ago

The original poster should have added the word "just" . It isn't just sexual. Rape is the act of imposing your will on someone that involves sexual acts. Turkey baster...wanting a baby..whatever..It's still rape. The key point to note is "against the other person's will" . Rape is rape just like murder is murder.

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[–] Kewl_Kat 8 years ago

Rape isn't sexual

That's BS. It's 100% sexual.

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[–] bowery_boy 8 years ago

The act itself is sexual but it's still about power. It's about control.

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[–] Mr_Grimmer 8 years ago

Power and control is a common motivation for rape, but its not the motive 100% of the time. In this case the guy purely just wanted to have a child, if he wanted to flaunt his power over her he would have just stuck his penis in her.

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[–] DaliParton 8 years ago

Forcing her to have his child is an expression of his power over her. It doesn't matter what she wants, he has more power over her body than she does. It takes some crazy mental acrobatics to see it as anything else.

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[–] Kewl_Kat 8 years ago

No. He simply wanted a child. His daughter was killed and he longed for that father/child bond once more.

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[–] whitespirit26 8 years ago

It doesn't effing matter what the freaking motivation was, it would still have been sexual assault.

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[–] DaliParton 8 years ago

So hire a surrogate. He's got the money.
His decision to force her to do it is all about control over her specifically.

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[–] SWLinPHX-2 8 years ago

Plus she murdered his real daughter so there's that.

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[–] whitespirit26 8 years ago

Has nothing to do with what the act would have been under law, and she didn't murder her.

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[–] ydobon-1 8 years ago

The act itself is sexual but it's still about power. It's about control.

People say that it's all about power and control as if those are what really matter to the rapist and the act of rape itself is just a way to achieve that.

I think that's a shortsighted view. I think that rape is sexual for rapists, and that power and control are just their aphrodisiacs. They could have normal sex with a willing partner, but they find it more sexually enjoyable to force someone.

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[–] zombienut 8 years ago

Yep, rape with a foreign object.

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[–] elihathaway 8 years ago

SWLinPHX - Do you remember the famous Steubenville, Ohio high school rape case in 2012? Both boys were convicted of rape for penetrating the drunk female with their fingers, neither of them had sex with the victim. So yes, I think in every state in the USA any penetration without consent is considered rape by the law.

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[–] Jorgosch 8 years ago

That's petting your talking about.

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[–] elihathaway 8 years ago

Petting???

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

of course its rape. Why would it need a discussion? The law is very clear on the matter.

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[–] Daenerys-Stormborn 8 years ago

It's still considered as rape...when you're forcing something into someone's body against their will.

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[–] catsalad 8 years ago

If you all truly consider this rape and hopefully are against rape, then I sincerely hope you don't drink cow milk, cause this is how the milk industry works. Don't pay someone to rape another sentient being, don't pay for milk.

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[–] I_Luv_Apple 8 years ago

How does one rape a cow? Is you a member of peta?

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[–] Great_Gazoo 8 years ago

Are you attempting to argue that people cannot rape animals?

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[–] I_Luv_Apple 8 years ago

Milking a cow is not rape. Do not buy milk sounds like Peta.

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[–] elinmellbergstedt 8 years ago

Are you really this dumb or are you trolling?

She's comparing it to Artificial insemination, which they do to cows in order to get their milk. She means that if it's rape to inseminate a human, then we should consider it rape to inseminate a cow. HOW DO YOU NOT GET THAT?

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

The law considers forcibly inserting anything into someone against their will as rape. This would include a turkey baster.

The law doesn't consider milking a cow as rape. You are not even entering the cow, so how could it be rape?

Rape is a legal definition, and the law is clear on it. What the old man did was 100% rape. Milking a cow is not illegal and is not defined as rape in law. If you don't milk cows, they suffer pain and risk infections, they will volunteer to be milked as quickly as possible if not milked for a day or more.

Having said that I am a vegetarian who doesn't consume very much diary, so if you wanted to stop all dairy production it would be fine with me.

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[–] elinmellbergstedt 8 years ago

Are you really this dumb or are you trolling?

She's comparing it to Artificial insemination, which they do to cows in order to get their milk. She means that if it's rape to inseminate a human, then we should consider it rape to inseminate a cow. HOW DO YOU NOT GET THAT?

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

Good point douchbag, although if she had been clearer on her point, there would be no confusion.

Bestiality is illegal in most civilised countries (still legal in a few US states LOL) so i guess it could be seen as rape, but instead its seen as part of farming and animal husbandry and bestiality is specifically about sex with animals.

If we were to consider artificial insemination rape of animals, then we must also consider killing them for food as murder. So anyone drinking milk or eating meat condones animal rape and murder.

Fine with me, lock up the farmers on death row...like i say, i am vegetarian and think the way we treat farm animals is disgusting.

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[–] elinmellbergstedt 8 years ago

Why would she have to been clearer?
The topic is "Is artificial insemination rape?" and everyone is discussing inserting foreign objects into a vagina, why would she have to be clear that she means that and not milking a cow which is completely irrelevant?

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

Why would she have to been clearer?

Yeah because its so bad to be clear about what you mean?

There were several replies about milking so it was obviously not clear.

Its also not the same as doing it to a human so the point was moot anyway. Plenty of stuff humans do to animals would be illegal to do to other humans.

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[–] elinmellbergstedt 8 years ago

Where are the posts you're talking about? Or are you referring to the one single post written by Luv apple?

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[–] I_Luv_Apple 8 years ago

I'm surprised you all hate Rocky. Rocky is an animal lover. She wouldn't even hurt that dog when it attacked her. Rocky is most likely vegetarian too. So, keep hating on her.

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[–] bowery_boy 8 years ago

Ummm... a cow udder is not a penis. Just sayin'. LOL.

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[–] lukas1985 8 years ago

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[–] haunt_freak 8 years ago

This is the dumbest analogy ever.

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[–] smokescreensemerge-538-372043 8 years ago

That's the croc of it all.. A baster straight from a manufacturing line (never been used) would still be too contaminated 9 out of 10 times for doing any type of medical insemination. Then there's a question of his frozen semen samples technique which is goof ball mad scientist stuff. If it was that easy there wouldn't be people spending thousands on trying to get invitro fertilization, requiring state of the art cryogenic freezers and equipment, if they could do it themselves at home.

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[–] SWLinPHX-2 8 years ago

He should've done it the old-fashioned way except he said he would never force himself on a woman.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

he said he would never force himself on a woman

He tied a woman up, raped her with a turkey baster and pumped her full of his frozen jizz...he is such a gentleman.

Clearly he is a nutter, in his crazy brain he thinks what he is doing is OK.

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[–] Dredj 8 years ago

The Blind Man is American and the film takes place in the US and in US law rape is defined by forced penetration by body part or object, thus, what he was going to do would be rape.

Other countries have different views on rape. In the UK rape is defined by penetration by penis and so only a man can commit rape. Using an object or other body part is classed as sexual assault.

Most people view rape as "forced sex" so the US law is much more befitting to everyone's ideals. In the UK for example if a woman forced herself on a man what she did would be deemed as sexual assault not rape. The punishment is the same as rape however.

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