I wanted him to kill them all, especially the girl. I was supposed to be pulling for her to get away? Ridiculous. She's a lazy idiot who doesn't want a job and just wants to steal someone else's money and I'm supposed to hope she gets away? Dumb.
But, he has a woman chained up in the basement. So, the old man should die.. I'm glad Rocky got away and helped her little sister. But, didn't the police find the dead woman in the basement?
It was the writer's attempt at giving sympathy to the intruders. It didn't work. They still broke into his house with intent on stealing from him. They were all douchebags. I wanted them all to perish.
Was the blind guy bad? Sure. If you wanted us to hate him, give us his story first and make him a bad guy. But we dont' see that until well into the movie where the intruders are already douchebags
i'm thinking the writers wanted us to feel for rocky hearing that she did worse in deleted scenes that they deleted maybe for that reason and they could not use the other ending if there really was an ending of rocky never being able to leaven the house being trapped somewhere thanks to blind man.i'm not feeling like they did right by this by having rocky not do this by herself and she must of had bad taste in men for a reason.
I felt sorry for Rocky too.I also wondered why Rocky chose Money. for a boyfriend. Maybe, it's because some women like bad boys and Money was a bad boy.
Was the blind guy bad? Sure. If you wanted us to hate him, give us his story first and make him a bad guy. But we dont' see that until well into the movie where the intruders are already douchebags.
That was the point. This movie deliberately messed with all the standard home invasion tropes. And I think that made it great. We really don't need yet another simplistic morality tale of good versus evil where the good guys win and the bad guys get their just deserts.
You weren't supposed to hate anyone, and you weren't supposed to enthusiastically cheer for anyone either. Black and white is boring as F.
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you were pretty clearly supposed to hate the blind guy since he was a murderous psychopath. Alex and Rocky were at least somewhat sympathetic, with Rocky wanting to get away from her abusive parents and help the little girl (not sure if sister or daughter) and risk capture by helping the kidnapped woman. Alex didn't want to rob him and only ended up helping to get Rocky away from her family, and wanted to go with the cop option but Alex needed the money to get out of her bad situation. Money was definitely not remotely sympathetic though.
I think that is a rather astute assessment. It was rather twisted and went against the systematic norms. I think it also exhibited desperate measures for all involved, aside from Money who was simply a selfish prick. But I mean think of the area, you have downtrodden and pretty much screwed to heck Detroit a dismal, desperate and pretty much dead city. Seemed everyone had Detroit in them of just how messed up their environmental situation was.
I think the idea was to introduce the thieves as jerks, and present the blind man as sympathetic, defending his home from intruders... only to then pull the rug out from under the audience's feet by revealing he had Cindy in the basement. It's a reversal of expectations.
And, anyway, there's plenty of movies with protagonists who are either unlikable or outright criminals.
I mean, really, how many times will you look under Jabba's manboobs?
It didnt work for me either, and I'm a woman. I couldn't have cared less about Rocky and was happy when he captured her again. Maybe if she had just tried to escape the house WITHOUT also trying to take the money, I could have sympathized w/her. I'm still upset w/the ending. I cannot stand a thief!
I'm not saying it was not wrong of the guy to kidnap the girl who killed his child. His actions were wrong, but my opinion about the thieves didn't suddenly change when that revelation was made. I still hated the intruders and wanted them all dead, esp. Rocky! I just have no sympathy for them. They broke into his house and got what they deserved except Rocky as far as I'm concerned.
But, didn't the police find the dead woman in the basement?
There's a shot of her body in that compartment that was filling up with black stuff. I assume it was some form of solvent to dissolve her body or at least a way to preserve it.
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Honestly, they were all pretty much horrible people. You could definitely sympathize to an extent with Rocky for wanting to take her and her sister away from their crappy home life. But yeah, breaking into houses, and stealing from a blind person especially, made it harder to feel for her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7ikuayLl4I
No, you were the one who said the thieves deserved to die for stealing. That's the sentiment I was referring to and repeated.
I said I "wanted to kill them all" in the sense they were dicks and we were supposed to be pulling for them but no one really should. I didn't mean "they should die for armed burglary." Perhaps my wording could have been better. Like if you say to someone "I wanted to kill you for saying that," you didn't mean literally. That's what I was saying.
100% agree. There is a weirdo named MarwoodWalks who frequents these boards who says people should stand down when maniacs break into your house to rob, rape or kill you. It's a weird word we live in, Harold. Get this, he even says that you should go to jail for defending yourself in your own home.
people should stand down when maniacs break into your house to rob, rape or kill you.
Quote where I ever said this.
Get this, he even says that you should go to jail for defending yourself in your own home.
Quote where I ever said this.
You are probably medically retarded, so I have to tread carefully with you for fear of you self harming, but the reality is you said the old guy wasn't a murder or rapist, which he clearly is, so your idea of right and wrong are, shall we say, a bit removed from reality. You are now making up stuff about me in posts to other people, so I guess I got under your skin with the truth...maybe in the ward you don't hear the truth so much?
"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."
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Interestingly I thought about getting a gun a few years back but decided against it. Nothing against guns, just not for me. I am however in really good shape. I keep bats positioned around my house where I can reach for one and swing it hard if I need to (I play about 70-80 softball games a year).
My neighbor across the street actually had her house broken into. She's elderly and alone. I'm pretty well built and I'll swing a bat in my front yard just for fun sometimes, so I think anyone around knows not to mess with me. Not that I'm saying I'm a big stud, but enough of one that if you broke into my house, you'd leave a cripple.
I think the film attempts to evoke sympathy for the girl because at the bottom line she is a far more relatable character than the old man, but I don't think the filmmakers intended for you to morally side with either. The thieves are portrayed as scum for burglarising homes, the old man is portrayed as scum for what he does to the woman who killed his daughter. I don't think you're supposed to compare the two sides and try to find a moral victor. The irony is that the thieves manage to become more sympathetic than the blind, elderly man they are home-invading and robbing, but I don't think the film asks you to excuse either character's actions.
Look at the ending. Yes the girl gets away with the money, but the old man gets away too. Police are called into his home and at the end of it he is labelled a hero who defended his home, his kidnapping and abuse of the woman is never discovered. It's a very neutral ending if you ask me.
Yeah I was pissed off she lived AND got the money. Ultimately, I agree that the blind man was in the wrong for the basement hostage situation, but you could argue that he's just lost the plot after his daughter's death (we have no clue as to his character before this event) - he was a Veteran, so may have sacrificed a lot, but equally may have been an aggressive lunatic.
The thieves I had very little sympathy for and none for the first guy that gets it as doesn't have any qualms about robbing a blind guy. Granted the girl came from a troubled family but you don't need that much damn money to start a new life - there was no talk of perhaps taking half and leaving him with the rest - but no, they want to rob him of all his cash not long after his daughter's passing. I thought they were all despicable but I could at least relate to the man's pain - I could not relate to their greed, and plenty of people start a new life with hardly any cash because things get to a point of being so bad, they just have to.
I was hoping that for the scene where she's in the car, she'd decide to make a dash for the money instead of driving away to safety, only for her plan to backfire and her wind up getting mauled by the dog!
That's how I felt too. As a grown adult w/a home, I could relate to a homeowner protecting his home and killing intruders. Now, the hostage situation he had going on in the basement was completely insane, but I could still sympathize w/his loss and the fact that these ppl are trying to steal his money.