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Another reason for Sam vs. Bucky

posted 6 years ago by ExTechOp (2770)
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Since Endgame’s release, my YouTube feed’s been front-loaded with interview clips

They've reminded me that of something I’ve loved about the MCU outside the films themselves, namley the stars’ seemingly boundless enthusiasm for their roles and for working with each other

Downey and Evans are clearly leaders in that regard (literally in Downey's case - he threatened to walk unless the other Avengers got paid more). With their departure, it really seems like Mackie’s the standout “heart” of the Avengers, with Stan as his “cool best bud”

It’s definitely not Larsen who, like her character, comes off as a prickly non-team-player

But whenever Mackie and Stan are being interviewed together, they seem like a "team" from the get-go, and Mackie seems like the dominant of the two.

I have no doubt it'd play out like that on-screen as well (to an extent, it already has in "Civil War")

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[–] TexasJack (12516) 6 years ago

I didn’t think so at first but I guess it does make sense for Sam to be the new Captain America. I just hope he keeps his wings.

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[–] ATG6 (3000) 6 years ago

it makes no sense at all. he's not a super soldier.

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[–] ExTechOp (2770) 6 years ago

"it makes no sense at all. he's not a super soldier."

I think that comment misses the point of "Captain America: The First Avenger."

Erskine chose Steve because of who he was BEFORE the experiment.

Afterwards, for eight years and four movies (six counting his virtual appearances in "Thor the Dark World" and "Spider-Man: Homecoming"), his powers were the least important thing about him. Erskine's serum didn't give him the power to make badass inspirational speeches (at least I don't think it did). He's always been a leader.

Sam may never have taken a leadership role, but he's always been loyal and principled, as well as dedicated to helping others.

And my point in THIS thread is that Mackie himself seems to have evolved into a spiritual leader among the cast members, now that Downey and Evans are gone.

Besides which, it's really obvious, at least in YouTube interview supercuts, that Mackie and Stan are great together in interviews.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I knew they were a team the moment in Civil War where Spidey got the best of them and Sam says "I hate you".

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[–] ExTechOp (2770) 6 years ago

Weird that "I hate you" should be the moment when they clearly become a team, but it certainly "felt" right.

I guess it signals a level of trust and camaraderie, when two characters have no filters left between them.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Well that and when they were in the car waiting on Cap and Bucky says "Can you move your seat up"? and Sam says.."No"....and the little head nod they both give when Cap kisses Sharon..there was some male bonding going on.

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[–] Shooter (112) 6 years ago

Just wondering. Why throw in that Larsen line?

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[–] ExTechOp (2770) 6 years ago

Captain Marvel has been touted as the next leader of the Avengers.

Given how important press tours have been in promoting these films, her interview persona can be relevant to how her fictional character is perceived.

Certainly, this was the case with Downey and Evans.

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[–] FFNogoodnik (778) 6 years ago

While I am not a fan of her "off the field" approach I did like the Captain Marvel film.

People complained that she had no personality but I saw one there. She did not have any laugh out loud moments but she had quite a few moments that made me smile ("Wanna fight?", when she got the restrictors off of her arms, how she approached the mall security guard as if was an every day occurrence.)

I think since they know that they have her for several movies that will be made, unlike Cap, Iron Man and Thor, they were able to approach her first film differently. Instead of doing a full origin story they are setting up the beginning of her character arc. She will loosen up as movies play of and eventually becoming the leader that is being talked about.

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[–] ExTechOp (2770) 6 years ago

I liked her film too, didn't love it though.

And I also disagree about her having no personality - I actually don't see where that's coming from at all. She's got plenty of personality that's consistent (in my view unfortunately) with the actor's interview style.

It fits the character perfectly, at least in her film. She's kind of a knucklehead, in a way you'd expect for a fighter pilot who's not permitted to fight. The whole movie, in fact, is about her being held back by Air Force sexism and Kree manipulation. Her personality is a logical response to oppression. It's just not necessarily appealing in public out-of-film interviews.

That said, you make a good point about this being her entry-level film. She hadn't "grown" in Endgame, despite 20 years having passed in-universe, because she literally filmed those scenes before "Captain Marvel."

And Larsen herself has got time to "settle in" to the MCU juggernaut, too, fair to say.

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[–] ExTechOp (2770) 6 years ago

Actually, just watched Endgame again and her character is a bit low key - she may have grown in the decades between "Captain Marvel" and "Endgame," but the Russos (wisely) kept her character exposition to a minimum.

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[–] Shooter (112) 6 years ago

thank you

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