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So how does Captain America do it? [SPOILERS]

posted 6 years ago by ExTechOp (2770)
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How does he return each stone, even assuming he now has plenty of Pym particles giving him essentially infinite attempts.

It it enough for him to arrive just before the original time-team members arrive, and talk them out of each theft?

Does he have to rebuilt the tesseract, scepter and aether?

Or maybe, if he returned the time stone first, the ancient one can do the rebuilding using the Eye of Agamotto.

And while we'll never get to see it, I'd have loved to see his reunion with Red Skull on Vormir.

Not to mention seeing him sticking the aether back into Jane.

[–] h-oates (172) 6 years ago

Haha. Yeah, that whole part was left vague and directionless. Honestly, they made it seem as though it was simple, easy stuff returning these stones. I don't get how he could do it. I don't think he could stop fellow team members before taking the stones. Pretty sure that would wind up causing a paradox and it was never mentioned as an option. And yes, I would have LOVED to have been a fly on the wall during his reunion with Red Skull. Haha. (that dude seems a lot more mellow now he's on Vormir, though).

Biggest gripe I have was with old Cap showing up on that bench. How is that possible? He didn't return to that timeline using the machine, so how the hell did him marrying Peggy mess with the proper timeline? I thought that wasn't possible. Whatever anyone says, we are meant to believe the main timeline that we've been following has been changed and Steve and Peggy lived happily ever after for real, in the main timeline. But this does seem to break the rules the movie creates.

I adored, ADORED this movie, but quite a few times, from the battle with Thanos to these couple of ending scenes the film does seem to lose its way in the logic stakes.

[–] ColdOfWinter (147) 6 years ago

Yes they clearly broke their own rule of time travel. I don't blame the movie though, its pretty much impossible not to break the rules of time travel. That's why its so hard to make a great movie that involves.

Along those same lines, there is no rule about not seeing his former self or former teammates, so we should have seen him returning the stone at the same time the other Avengers were collecting it. That would have greatly changed the Hulk and Sorceress supreme's conversation if Captain showed up ready to hand the stone back.

Can't stress it enough, this was an awesome movie, time travel just makes the story telling almost impossible.

[–] ExTechOp (2770) 6 years ago

Returning to the bench is no problem

Bruce says Cap "blew past" the entry point, which is why he didn't appear on the platform

But he still has the beacon, so he can come back whenever and wherever he wants

Remember, Cap & Tony went to the 1970's without a platform, using just their beacons

I figure when Cap "blew past" the platform, he actually "aged" past it in his parallel time line

Whenever it was he'd had enough of his normal life and became the old man we see, THAT's when he popped BACKWARDS to the bench

What's especially interesting to me is Bucky's reaction to the whole thing - he knew what Cap was going to do, maybe even discussed it with him beforehand, including handing the shield to Sam

[–] gantz8596 (205) 6 years ago

Steve and Tonny did jump back to 1970 without a platform, but they jump back at their CURRENT timeline, which essentially means a simple jump back through time. What you're describing is jumping ACROSS timelines.

[–] EvilPinata (1186) 6 years ago

The way Hulk described they would be returned right after they were taken. Red Skull being the keeper of the soul stone would've been freed after it was obtained by Hawkeye. If it was returned after that, Captain America wouldn't have ran into him.

[–] h-oates (172) 6 years ago

Then how does Cap go about returning it? Also, when the stone is returned, Red Skull would reappear and he'd seen him then. Anyway, maybe I missed it but I didn't even hear anything about Red Skull getting freed. Was that mentioned in Infinity War?

[–] EvilPinata (1186) 6 years ago

I'm pretty sure it was, but I'd have to rewatch for a definite answer. It might have also been something said by the Russo brothers in interviews after Infinity War. If Cap returning the soul stone brought Red Skull back, I honestly don't think they'd have any quarrel because as long as it's there, Red Skull can't leave and by that point Cap was ready to hang up the shield.

The soul stone is really the only one I'm curious about Cap returning since it's the only one that can't just be taken like the rest.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 6 years ago

Easy. He would sleep on the water while holding the stone in his hand. And then he would wake up on the edge of the cliff, standing, without the stone anymore.

If he met Red Skull, he would just casually say "Heil, Hydra!" while strolling along. He's pretty cool with that.

[–] QBall (23) 6 years ago

The movie is already three hours long. If they showed that the movie would be 4 1/2 hours long.

[–] ExTechOp (2770) 6 years ago

Replying to myself here, but I just remembered how time travel worked in "The Man Who Folded Himself" by David Gerrold.

If you want to "correct" the past, you have to catch your earlier self before that earlier self makes any change, then talk that earlier self OUT of making the change

I could see Cap arriving just after each Endgame team arrives, handing them HIS stones (so they can immediately return to their Endgame present), thus preventing each of the respective thefts while still preserving the "master" time line

So he didn't return Mjolnir to Asgard per se (that'd leave TWO hammers in 2013 Asgard). He gave it to fat Thor along with the reality stone, before Rocket could extract it from Jane.