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WTF?

posted 10 years ago by misafukosa
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Okay, wtf was going on in this movie?

1. No Joel Foxworth, Corinne's long presumed dead brother, who was a major character in the book and who was behind further corrupting Bart under the guise of religious instruction.

2. They kept calling Melodie "Melanie". Pick a name and stick with it!

3. Bart trying to kill Cathy?! Just...no. Not in the book.

4. Bart and Cindy hooking up? Where in the book did it ever mention that? I read the book many, many times. All V.C. Andrews said at the end was that Bart and Cindy made peace with each other and sang together on his televangelist show. They certainly never got married. Or even had sex! If they did, someone please cite the passages in the book so I can see what I missed.

Poor V.C. Andrews. LOL.

[–] Silentwisdomofpsycho 10 years ago

While it has been a while for me, but I think you might be in a minority to not interpret the Bart/Cindy thing from Seeds of Yesterday.

I agree with you that no the movie took it much farther. But from i remember back in the day, most people I remember talking to about it assumed Bart's whole brainwashing against sinful women and targeting of Cindy's men were there to be indications he had a thing for her.

And I know somewhere on this board another poster was commenting on how they wanted to see how they would handle Cindy/Bart in this movie. So that sentiment isn't limited to just me and my friends back then. :)

EDIT: And by the first I mean that Bart is a complete hypocrite having been manipulated by John Amos and Joel. As it's warned that women can be your undoing. As we saw with Malcolm as revealed in GoS. So I think some people (like me, those friends, that other poster) see Bart's deliberate shaming attacks at Cindy who he was originally jealous of and she in a way became like Cathy, which is in that way what Bart was looking out/for, so some of us may be connecting dots that others didn't.

Clearly the screenwriters just went all the way "balls in" on it though.

[–] Calliegrl03 10 years ago

Exactly! You're on the money. VC definitely implies some sort of sexual tension between Bart and Cindy. However, because of Bart's insanity, it's never comsummated. Bart cannot have the two women that he loves the most, Cathy and Cindy, so he's destined to be alone and not experience true love.

[–] misafukosa 10 years ago

TY, Calliegrl. I'm glad someone else read the same book. Lol. ;)

[–] Calliegrl03 10 years ago

Yep. I own and read all of the books. Bart and Cindy getting together in the book would have defeated the whole purpose of it. The Dollanganger family is BROKEN; there can't be a true happy ending for them. They can learn from their mistakes and move on, but it's never gonna be sunshine and roses for them. Had Bart not been brainwashed, perhaps, he and Cindy could have been together. But he was. I like the movie's "finding true love=happiness" theme though.

[–] Oddark123 10 years ago

To be fair though, it may look "happy" but there's hardly a guarantee it would be. If you only saw each of the previous movies without knowing there was another book coming, it might have looked "happy" when they escaped the attic, or when Chris and Cathy get to be together with the two kids, or and on somewhat level of the third, but you get the idea.

In this case even by changing it so they actually got together could lead to a whole new mess in the future for these versions of the characters.

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[–] Oddark123 10 years ago

For the sake of adding another side: whoever wrote the new article for the VC Andrews wiki sees this in this way:

"In the book, Bart despises Cindy and treats her with open hostility, but they later reconcile and work as brother-sister partners at his ministry; in the film, while he claims to despise her, he secretly lusts for Cindy and even has sex with her, and at the end, he realizes his love for her, marries her, and takes her as his partner in his ministry. "

http://vcandrews.wikia.com/wiki/Seeds_of_Yesterday_%28film%29

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[–] misafukosa 10 years ago

I agree that Bart was obsessed with Cindy throughout the book. But he never had sex with her then married her. I think Lifetime went too far with that, further tarnishing Bart's already disturbed character. When I read the book, at the end, I was left feeling like Bart made peace with Cindy as his sister and finally found himself through religion. I don't think the ending Lifetime came up with was what V.C. Andrews had in mind. A bit disappointing.

And Bart trying to kill Cathy? In the book, he adored and worshipped her,
blaming everything on Chris.

Well, to each their own.

[–] Silentwisdomofpsycho 10 years ago

Bart's attack there was indeed something I disagreed with too. But i only really commented on bullet 4, because i agreed with 1-3.

[–] misafukosa 10 years ago

Got it, silentwisdom. I think we actually agree on this. Thanks. :)

[–] Calliegrl03 10 years ago

VC wouldn't have liked the ending...but the ending of the book would not have translated well on screen. I'm glad they made the Bart and Cindy changes, especially since VC implies that there's sexual tension between them.

[–] JennaHanson1974 8 years ago

As we saw with Malcolm as revealed in GoS.

I wonder if they will do "Garden Of Shadows"?? EVERYTHING comes out in that book. I know the characters so well and told it to my friend who brought it up when she asked if I have ever heard of a book she was reading - Christopher's Diary. It was funny, she said she remembered from years ago when I told her! LOL
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Malcolm Sr & Olivia; Malcolm Jr, Joel, Corrine

Malcolm Jr & Alicia; Christopher

Christopher Sr & Corrine; Christopher Jr, Cathy, Carrie, Cory

Cathy marries Julian, also a ballet dancer, and has Jory (she said the J was for Julian and the rest was for Cory, her brother that was killed). I think that Julian ended up killing himself in the hospital when he found out he would never dance again. Then Cathy seduces her Mother's husband Bart and has a son named Bart. And then ends up with her brother Chris.

Chris & Cathy; Jory, Bart, Cindy

I found it interesting how both Grandmother Olivia and Cathy were somewhat alike:
* it was said that both of their 2nd children were frail and sickly (Joel, Bart)
* both of them were unable to have more children after their 2nd child
* they both had 2 boys and a girl
* both of their girls were not theirs by birth

IT IS FOUND OUT IN THE LAST BOOK "GARDEN OF SHADOWS" THAT...
-- Malcolm Jr and wife Alicia visited his parents with 3 year old Christopher; Malcolm Sr rapes Alicia and Corrine is the result! They locked Alicia up in the attic until she gave birth and then Corrine was raised by Malcolm Sr & Olivia.
Christopher Sr and Corrine were actually half siblings with the same Mother not Uncle and Niece! So pretty much like Chris and Cathy, without birth children.

Yeah, these books were crazy! (And so addicting! I read them all like 5 or more times.. it's been over 15 years but I can still remember them!)

[–] JennaHanson1974 8 years ago

Malcolm Sr & Olivia; Malcolm Jr, Joel, Corrine
Malcolm Jr & Alicia; Christopher

I just realized something... they have always said they were Uncle and Niece, but if Malcolm Jr and Corrine were really brother and sister, Malcolm Jr's son Christopher would be Corrine's nephew! Right? So where did they get Uncle and Niece?? LOL It should have been Aunt and Nephew not Uncle and Niece! LOL Nice job!

[–] glitterrose 10 years ago

I've made peace with the changes. I give props to Lifetime for doing all these movies. There's just too much in these books to cram into 2 hours. Maybe one day we'll have a network that's willing to really carve out the time to cover everything in all of the books. Until then, I enjoyed the movie. I really enjoyed 3 out of the 4. Petals was okay...the pacing was just too fast. I think it would've been better if it weren't so jumpy.

I really enjoyed the younger Bart from the movie that came on last week so I was a bit nervous seeing the new actor do the role. I really shouldn't have worried, he did an amazing job.

[–] Katzi428 10 years ago

I think V C Andrews must be rolling in her grave by now! Lifetime should have stopped at Flowers in The Attic. (Petals On The Wind, If There Be Thorns & this last one Seeds Of Yesterday were HORRIBLE! )
BTW, *beep* Bart & Cindy did NOT become televangelists, get married or anything like that.

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[–] misafukosa 10 years ago

Katzi,

Hi. In the book, Bart became a televangelist, but you're right, Cindy did not. She went on to have a career in Hollywood.
Also, in the book, they never got married, especially to each other. That was my big problem with the way the movie ended.
Yuck! Lol.

[–] Oddark123 10 years ago

Well i suppose making peace and singing together isn't exactly the most descriptive thing, whether or not that's at face value or for Lifetimes' writers "they gonna give into sexual temptation but be televangelists together" lol.

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[–] simba122504 10 years ago

All 4 films are only an hour and 30 mins without commercials. They have to cut a lot of stuff.

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[–] dutchchocolatecake 10 years ago

V.C. Andrews was the most unlikely and gifted writers of her generation.

It's a shame that no movie producer ever took her work seriously enough to make an accurate adaption. That would take a week-long miniseries for each book, but Lifetime decided the condensed Campbell soup version would be better, with 50 Shades of Grey thrown in.

[–] lune78 10 years ago

I agree that Lifetime screwed the pooch big time with that movie. Too many key elements from the book are missing (not the least of which is Joel, who was a major influence on Bart and an important character in the book), and Cindy and Bart getting married doesn't make sense. Of course the book implied sexual tension between them, but V.C. Andrews never meant for their "love" to be consummated, especially after the way Bart treated Cindy her whole life. And Cindy becoming a televangelist like Bart is just plain ridiculous. As if a girl like her could ever devote her life to religion, especially when in the book she becomes a Hollywood star!

That said, I must say that James Maslow's performance was phenomenal, not only is he extremely good looking but he managed to convey Bart's inner turmoil perfectly.

[–] lferrigon-1 10 years ago

The Telvangist stuff is silly to me especially for Cindy for the reasons you stated but I have no problem with her having sex with Bart. They would have a dysfuntional relationship.

Bart will always have demons maybe Cindy can help him cope with it.

[–] JennaHanson1974 8 years ago

Poor V.C. Andrews. LOL.

I agree! After she died her kids were writing the books and/or finishing them. They don't have the same mind/thoughts as their Mother, how could they write like her?? Sad..

[–] musicman37 8 years ago

Not quite true. After VC's death, they hired someone to ghost-write any further books, and the four Dollanganger books were all published two years before her death. Only the GoS was maybe finished by the ghost-writer.

That said, James Maslow gave an extremely brave performance, and looked HOT doing it. I'm looking forward to some big director giving him a role he can really sink his teeth into - if that happens, I predict he'll be a HUGE star.