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If It's Anything Like "Mulholland Drive", It Will Work

posted 8 years ago by aManInBackOfThisPlace
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To be totally honest, I am not that big into the original series, while Mulholland Drive is my third favourite film of all time.

I can't really put my finger on it, but something about the original just seems so cheesy and aesthetically it kind of stayed in the Nineties.

No offense to people who are these real fanatics, I respect you and your opinion, but it's not for me. While in MD everything happened in dream-logic, dreams in Twin Peaks just straight up tell agent Cooper whenever the plot is halting and sometimes it's some real convoluted, sophisticated stuff, I'm sure ... But it's HOW these plot-progressions and puzzles are applied that struck me as poor writing.

MD is just that most delicious puzzle to bite into and it never gets boring. Of course TP CAN'T be written as neatly because other people were involved in the writing, but well.

Who else thinks like me? Who else hopes for something more in the vain of MD?

[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

" . . . dreams in Twin Peaks just straight up tell agent Cooper whenever the plot is halting and sometimes it's some real convoluted, sophisticated stuff . . . "

Not certain what you mean here, but keep in mind what was called a dream by Cooper (i.e., he and Laura in the Red Room 25 years into the future), turned out to be prophetic (or maybe even a past rememberance). Point being, it wasn't "just" a dream.

Think also of Laura's dream in FWWM. I think that's how dreams function in TP's . . channeling.

The fun is in determining who or what is doing the channeling and why.

[–] aManInBackOfThisPlace 8 years ago

"Prophetic"? It's just a marketing-strategy built into the script (which Is fine), of all the things you could pick, that's probably the least impressive example I can think of.

Again: Not my style to belittle somebody's experience if they genuinely love something, I'm just not that into it and I have a pretty harded opinion on TP.

Naomi Watts will be in the 2017-TP, so since Mulholland Drive was originally planned to be a spinoff, I can imagine some sort of crossover happening (although that would be a bit cheap to fans of MD).

[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

Well I'm certainly not trying to sway how you react to anything TP's or otherwise, I referenced a specific quote made by you on what dreams in TP's entailed and offered my thoughts.

I realize your post was making a general comment on TP's and what your hopes were for the upcoming season.

"Prophetic"? . . . . of all the things you could pick, that's probably the least impressive example . . . "

That infamous dream was thought to be only a dream and yet it turned into something more was the point. Yes, the "dream" had clues that Cooper picked up and acted upon. But as the series progressed we found that it was something more didn't we?

Btw, I certainly share your enthusiasm for Mulholland Drive, which happens to be my favorite film of all time.

[–] zieveraar2009 8 years ago

no doubt about it, but it was also just to keep the plot going. And Cooper didn't really do anything to get it, he just got that information.

And the Giant was being a big jerk to be honest. Why not just tell him, why the riddles which slowed everything down and led to such misery?

I love the show and can't wait for the new episodes, but it didn't feel all that right to me.

L'Amour est mort, vive la Haïne

[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

And the Giant was being a big jerk to be honest. Why not just tell him, why the riddles which slowed everything down and led to such misery?

The Giant did explain at one point tbat he was only allowed to say so much. As I mentioned in a previous post, the fun is in guessing who is controlling what, whether it be the "dreams." what the Giant is allowed to say and not say, etc.

Not trying to defend every bump in the story, I just give credit where credit is due when the writers took the time to cover their tracks.

[–] franzkabuki 8 years ago

"Why not just tell him, why the riddles which slowed everything down and led to such misery?"

Didn't you just complain that Cooper "didn't really do anything"? Well, now he actually had use his smarts and intuition to earn whatever progress he made in the case. And, of course, it would have been mighty exciting and stimulating for the viewer if the Giant had just flat out told him stuff.

Do not get how did the Giant's clues lead to misery.

"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan

[–] Mr_Fluffykins 8 years ago

the riddles were part of the mystery, plus the giant is seen in FWWM in the black lodge so maybe he isn't as benevolent as the gentle giant persona might make one assume

[–] Burklayton 8 years ago

I would greatly prefer something like Inland Empire, actually. Although Mulholland Drive is lovely.

[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

If TP's was as (seemingly) disjointed as Inland Empire it wouldn't go over very well, with most at least.

[–] James_R_Woolley 8 years ago

18 hours on tv all like INLAND EMPIRE might cause a few problems for Showtime. I don't know what people would think, some would enjoy it of course but IE was its own thing, experimental. It wasn't even guaranteed a cinema release.

People may as well hope that the new Twin Peaks is just like The Straight Story in this thread.

[–] lynxx55 8 years ago

Yes, Mullholland Drive is wonderful. I am still struggling with Inland Empire.

[–] aManInBackOfThisPlace 8 years ago

"Inland Empire" in a series-format would ruin Showtime, probably.

A lot of what might help the new show is the abundance of things they can do on TV now. With shows like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad being all about edgyness, tits and gore, David Lynch might use this frame of possibilities to a more delicate degree. Stuff like the lesbian love scene in MD could not have been shown how it was shown if it were to have been a TV-show at the time. On the Criterion-release of MD Laura Harring even says the moment David Lynch was to convert MD into a feature-film, he shook her hand and said "... but there's going to be nudity!".

On a side note: Bonnie Aarons will be in the new TP, which probably means the infamous "Bum" from Mulholland Drive will make an appearance. Seeing how the "Bum" is the direct counterpart to Frank Silva's BOB, he/she might be the new villain.

[–] nilssakseide 8 years ago

Bonnie Aarons is not on the official cast list, so there's no reason to believe she's in the new show. I don't know who put her name on the "rumored"-list at the bottom on IMDb, anyone with an account can make edits.

[–] aManInBackOfThisPlace 8 years ago

Hm, there is some obvious signs, that MD's mythology will be incorporated in the new season of "Twin Peaks". Many things were left unanswered, and while you're right that Bonnie Aarons is merely a rumored cast, Patrick Fischler ("Dan") and Naomi Watts ("Diane Selwyn") are absolutely sure to appear. One of the filming-locations was the "Club Silencio", so it makes sense.

I think it's almost impossible to not reference anything that happened in "Mulholland Drive", Lynch just HAS to do some fan-service there, since it's his most accomplished and beloved, widely acclaimed work.

[–] nilssakseide 8 years ago

I'm pretty sure neither Diane Selwyn nor Dan will be part of the new season, but it wouldn't surprise me if Lynch made a nod or two to his earlier work during the 18(?) hours we'll be getting. There are recurring themes and symbolism thru all of Lynch's work, and I expect to see this play out in the new season as well. But to incorporate earlier films' mythology into it would surprise me though (I didn't know MD even had a mythology  ). Besides, Elephant Man is the only film that will not be represented actor-wise in the new season, so there's nothing special with Watts' and Fischler's attendance in that prospect.

[–] nikkiweir 8 years ago

The narrative runs all the way through, so episodes have different functions. Some, or at least moments in some, are companions to others in a way. I like all, 14 being the one that still fills me with greatest awe, but I like 9, 12, 13, 20, 22, & 27 a lot also.

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[–] MaxRenn2 8 years ago

It's been many, many years since I watched the series (most of them not since they aired). While the Lynch episodes were far and away better than any others, quite a few other were very good. Aside from the first-season episodes, I recall having a deep love for episodes 11, 12, 13 and 14 (or 10, 11, 12 and 13, depending on whether you consider the pilot as episode 1, as I do). Those were really decent episodes. However, the total mark-up in quality when Lynch took over was palpable.