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I Have Seen A Rough Cut Of This FIlm


Full disclosure: I am friends with this film's director, one of its stars and one of its producers.
BUT...I truly loved this film. If you enjoyed GOD'S NOT DEAD, this film is for you. If you hate "preachy" films, stay away from this one because there's "lots of Jesus" in it!
--Jeff--

Jeffrey Lee Hollis

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I love Pure Flix films. They give me peace. There's no other way of saying it. I watch a Hollywood mainstream film and I can sense my brow scrunching from stress and tension by the end credits. With Pure Flix films, I feel calm, peaceful, no fear, and a connection to God. My favorites are the Revelation Road trilogy. Awesome story of redemption. You can watch them over and over then the Encounter movies. And pick up new themes....Loved the beautiful Thailand cinematography as well in II...but I've seen many pure Flix films.

Can't wait for this one. I bet it will be inspiring and uplifting. Especially, good to see Mira Sorvino. She was raised atheist and as an adult found God. Love that she's honoring him in her work. Bravo....

Lena

*Free speech opinion w/ pseudonym internet moniker w/o malice for debate and discussionšŸŒˆ

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So you're saying that you like predictable flicks?

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Seeing as though you gave Run All Night an "8", you obviously are in love with predictable flicks.

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I thought it was pretty intense. Predictability in my opinion is but a minor flaw of that film.

I saw The Gunman last night and gave that a 5. That one is extremely predictable. So is Chappie. Gave that one a 5 too.

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"minor flaw"

LOL! It was beyond laughably predictable in almost every way possible.......total cookie-cutter garbage.

Obviously you don't mind that at all.

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Did you see this movie? I don't think so because none of what was going on with these 12 storylines were laughable. Just imagine if you were going through losing your son or daughter, would this be funny to you? We should always put ourselves in someone else's position and then, we can sympathize with others. If you seen this movie, tell me what happens to the two black men at the end of this movie. If you cannot, you didn't see the movie. If you did, you would have enjoyed it like the majority of the people that really saw it. If you don't want to see these types of movies that is your choice but let others might their own choices.

Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become "fools" so that you may become wise. 1 Corinthians 3:18

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"1 Corinthians 3:19

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I obviously wasn't referring to the content as laughable. The predictability is the topic.

As far as "black men at the end", I recall the assassin getting shot in the woods. Oh nooooo, I must not have watched the movie according to you!!!

"let others"

How exactly am I stopping others from choosing to see this movie?

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Sorry, God blessed us with a beautiful home so we had to pack, load stuff, etc so I am just now seeing your post.

The black men did not get shot in the woods. You must be getting this movie mixed up with another movie because the black man got shot in some kind of garage.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude to you. Sometimes, people put down Christian movies so much that it gets on my nerves. So I apologize to you for losing my temper, please forgive me.

Your question:

How exactly am I stopping others from choosing to see this movie?

Opinion, goes a long way but you're right, wise people can make wise decisions.

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Congratulations on your home!

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If you enjoyed GOD'S NOT DEAD, this film is for you.


So this film isn't for me. Got it.

Is it at least better than "Facing the Giants"? Apart from being a cinematic abortion, the Prosperity Doctrine angle of it reeked of falseness and ill theology.

Sorry, I shouldn't have called Facing the Giants an abortion. That's rude. Abortions actually have the ability to improve peoples' lives, and it's mean to compare them to something as harmful as Facing the Giants.

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We have recorded your hatred for God. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Please read John 3:16. No matter how much you hate Him, He'll always love you and He sent his son to die on the cross for you. May God bless you and transform your life! With sincere love, --Jeff--

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Please read John 3:16.


Um, what? That's literally the FIRST verse everyone memorizes. Like 90% of America knows that verse. The f#ck is that verse gonna do for me? I've read through the entire Bible twice by myself, in addition to 10 years of daily Christian school Bible lessons and 17 years of church every Sunday and every Wednesday. I know the Bible way better than you think.

And that's exactly why I say the things I say. I know what's put forth in the Bible, and I know what Christians are about.

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And, what is that?

Ever heard of this verse - "The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love"? (Galatians 5:6)

Or Romans 12:9 and 12:21, Overcome evil with good and Hate what is evil, cling to what is good?

Or 1 Corinthians 13:6, Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth?

Or Philippians 4:8, "Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable ā€” if anything is excellent or praiseworthy ā€” think about such things."

Maybe you don't accept the basic theology of Christianity, or believe in the miracles of Jesus and the apostles, but anyone with a truly fair and open mind would admit that these commands (or suggestions if you prefer), are clearly worthy to consider. I would note that never does Jesus tell His followers to force people to believe, but tells them if they go into a town to preach the Gospel, if a person or town still rejects their preaching and teaching, to just move on to the next town or the next person. Non-believers are welcome to church, but if they don't accept the teaching there, they are free to move on, as the church members are free to ask them to leave if they become disruptive, morally or physically or emotionally.

Don't get the hostility to Christians. Historically, atheists murdered more people in the 20th Century than all other ideologies or religions in recorded history, put together, about 153 million people.



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I would note that never does Jesus tell His followers to force people to believe...


but if you dont, hell awaits you.

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Don't get the hostility to Christians. Historically, atheists murdered more people in the 20th Century than all other ideologies or religions in recorded history, put together, about 153 million people.


No, it bloody did not. I know ignoramous religious people love to turn to Mao and Stalin, (sometimes even Hitler because they are unaware that he was a devout Catholic), and they say "there you go, atheism killed those people".

There's a big reason between a theistic belief based on scripture whose followers, churches and scripture at times demands to kill certain types of people. Atheism means nothing other than "lack of belief in gods". Tell me, how do you get from "I lack belief in gods" to using that as a motivation to murder anybody at all?

Yes, an atheist could hypothetically get mad at a religious person and kill this person because of their differences but because Christianity is a very complex belief system and atheism is such a simple rejection to such belief systems, atheism lacks inherent causation. The responsibility belongs with the individual who did such actions.

Take Stalin for example, he didn't outlaw religion and kill religious people motivated by not believing in God. He was hoarding power for himself and had an idea, going about it in such a way that he wanted to replace the object of religious peoples affections with himself.

Organized religion is responsible for a huge chunk of the wrong doing in the world and we would all be better off without the institution of religion. I'm not saying that individuals can't feel free to believe whatever childish things they want, so long as they don't mix up basic rights with a religious person's need to bully, terrorize and in other ways infringe on other peoples rights. Freedom of religion does not include a religious persons freedom to take away basic rights from others whom they do not like, such as the homosexuals right to wed.

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No, it bloody did not.


Actually, yes it bloody did. Atheism is directly responsible for most of the bloodshed in the 20th century.

Organized religion is responsible for a huge chunk of the wrong doing in the world and we would all be better off without the institution of religion.


Just a clichƩ. Citation needed to prove we would be better off with the Stalin's and Mao's of the world.

I'm not saying that individuals can't feel free to believe


Mighty generous of you, coming from someone who wants to ignore the atheist state's carnage of the 20th century. What's a few million dead Ukrainian or Chinese amongst friends?

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Actually, yes it bloody did. Atheism is directly responsible for most of the bloodshed in the 20th century.

Where's your source for this? If you mean Hitler and Stalin, Hitler was not an atheist (or if he was he kept it secret) and his followers were mostly Christian, and Stalin was an atheist but his actions weren't motivated by atheism but his own ideology which he made a kind of state religion.

Edit: Oh, and I see you also mentioned Mao Zedong. Maybe this could interest you: http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/hitlerstalin.html

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Where's your source for this? If you mean Hitler and Stalin, Hitler was not an atheist (or if he was he kept it secret) and his followers were mostly Christian, and Stalin was an atheist but his actions weren't motivated by atheism but his own ideology which he made a kind of state religion.


Hitler was not a Christian, and neither were the men of the SS if that's your definition of followers. He had no interest in Christianity, and paid lip service to it. But he was fascinated with the supernatural, which was ironic.

Stalin had no interest in religion, but was open minded about aliens visiting our planet.

Neither Hitler or Stalin were atheists by your definition, but they felt religion was for the weak minded, which is an atheistic argument.

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With your lack of care in choosing your words, you've shown some major ignorance in these matters. Such as claiming that it's an atheistic argument that religion is for the weak minded. How many times do you need to be told? Atheism implies one thing, and one thing only. Lack of belief in deities. To say that religion is for the weakminded is something that is far outside of that. Although groups of atheists have a lot in common and oftentimes will accept evolution as fact and be annoyed with the uneducated and gullible nature of religious people who live in poverty, that must not be muddled up with the core definition of words.

As for Hitler not being a Christian, everything points towards him being a Christian. The only thing I think is up for question is whether or not he on a personal level lived up to enough criteria to be considered catholic in his day to day life, but officially he was indeed a roman catholic. There's no doubt about whether or not he held belief in the Christian god. So please be more specific. Also, since you're probably Christian, it makes it more difficult for someone like me to know what you mean by Christian, since Christians sometimes like to say that somebody else is not a 'true Christian', and they have their own colloquial definition of what you have to do exactly to be a true Christian. It's a useless load of crap to be that naive and make up your own definition of things that separates you from being able to communicate with people who better knows the official definitions of words. Way to go, Babel.

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Atheism implies one thing, and one thing only. Lack of belief in deities. To say that religion is for the weakminded is something that


Wow...what a bs storm. Yeah, all atheists hide behind that claim. How many times do you have to be told that. Would you like me to cut and paste all the obnoxiuos comments and foul language used by atheists on IMDb? lol

As for Hitler not being a Christian, everything points towards him being a Christian.


you've shown some major ignorance in these matters. Hitler manipulated the national political agenda early in his career to win Christian support. He hid behind Christianity, just as Bin Laden hid behind Islam.

but officially he was indeed a roman catholic.


Militant atheists make that classic argument in attempts to characterize Christians as bruttal leaders who've destroyed world society. Your comment doesn't fly with me.

There's no doubt about whether or not he held belief in the Christian god. So please be more specific. Also, since you're probably Christian, it makes it more difficult for


I'm basically calling you a liar, and an atheist spin doctor. Once Hitler acquired full power, he didn't give a rat's ass about religion in general. Not to mention that he threatened the Vatacan with destruction if they opposed him. Did you want to continue to convince someone what a good Catholic (yes we capitalize that word on this planet) Hitler was?

There's no doubt about whether or not he held belief in the Christian god. So please be more specific. Also, since you're probably Christian, it makes it more difficult for


Maybe you should stop drinking when commenting here. You're an ugly drunk.

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God's Not Dead was complete garbage, so yeah, probably not.

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"If you enjoyed GOD'S NOT DEAD, this film is for you."

Ouch. xD
Like seriously, ouch. I can't even attempt to laugh as hard as I need to right now because it'd break every rib on my rib cage.

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I can't even attempt to laugh as hard as I need to right now because it'd break every rib on my rib cage.


Sounds like the booze talking.

And yes OP, I look forward to this film March 20th.

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I appreciate your honesty. It helps to know there's people out there that actually tell the truth and ensure we know what NOT to see. Thanks!

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"It helps to know there's people out there that actually tell the truth and ensure we know what NOT to see"

(This sounds like sarcasm, no? If it is, don't bother reading this. If it's not sarcasm, you NEED to read this.)

Golly Gee, that's pretty scary talking right there. Does anyone actually KNOW what they like or dislike BEFORE seeing it? I'm not willing to abrogate that right and I think far too many people do. Like or dislike movies (or anything) at your own volition.

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