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Do You Believe?
2015 ‧ Drama film/Religious Film ‧ 1h 55m
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5.5/10·IMDb

19%·Rotten Tomatoes

1.5/4·Roger Ebert

^ My point exactly. Rotten Tomatoes is used by haters. They hate Christian films, including God Isn't Dead, and many others.


Once again, despite the fact that moronic trolls defend Rotten Tomatoes, I don't endorse the usefulness of their site. The critics feedback on 'Do You Believe' and other Christian films is a perfect example.

They consistently don't represent the mainstream American audience preferences in films. If there were ever an example of social misfits banding together to condemn mainstream tastes in art, this group is it. Realistically, what America needs are film critics that reflect mainstream consumer tastes, as opposed to social rejects that try to inflict their personal tastes on a society that wants no part of their lame preferences. We've seen this with award shows that also try to sell the public on the idea of supporting films that barely had audience attendance, and ignore blockbusters the public loves. Not to mention all the hate for pro-religion films from film critics that essentially have behavioral problems.

Social rejects shouldn't have a monopoly in deciding what films to recommend or review. It's time for the public to vote, and those votes would then recommend what is good and worth watching. The general public usually recommends good films for me to watch, so I'll trust the public before I'd trust some jerk sitting in a basement or cubical.

At least IMDb has some degree of exchange with consistent public participation, and for that, I can appreciate the effort. Even though the deadbeats hang out on IMDb as well.

Again....my solution is for a new Christian film and TV program review site to be created. This site would need to be governed by adults that are fair with films and television shows, and not overly harsh in their judgments. Lots of good films and programs are being offered to the public and there's no reason for the heavy handedness we see with Rotten Toms, which is overpopulated with people that seem to hate everything. And despite the troll accusations, I don't recall advocating that Rotten Toms be dissolved, nor am I aware of any legal means of doing so.

Two childish trolls are blocked by me since they've admitted to being on this Christian board purely to ridicule Christians. Their views on this thread aren't welcome or requested. The thread is opinion, and not proposed legislation, so grow up.

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Haha, trying again, huh? Well, I'll just copy and paste from the other thread:

They consistently don't represent the mainstream American audience preferences in films.


I'll point out the same thing from the other thread. The top ten grossing movies of all time, and their Rotten Tomatoes ratings:

1) Avatar - 83%
2) Titanic - 88%
3) Marvel's The Avengers - 92%
4) The Dark Knight - 94%
5) Star Wars Episode I - 57%
6) Star Wars (Episode IV) - 93%
7) The Dark Knight Rises - 88%
8) Shrek 2 - 88%
9) E.T.: The Extraterrestrial - 98%
10) The Hunger Games: Catching Fire - 89%

If you want I can do the same thing for individual years. The only one on this list that isn't a very high score is Star Wars Episode I, and that's generally regarded as not a great movie, even by the public. It just made a lot of money because of the anticipation factor.

Let's take a quick look at last year. The top 5:

1) American Sniper - 73%
2) The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part I - 65%
3) Guardians of the Galaxy - 91%
4) Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 89%
5) The Lego Movie - 96%

Every one got a good score. All but one got very good scores. Now let's go back to one of your first comments:

The critics feedback on 'Do You Believe' and other Christian films is a perfect example.


It's pretty much your only example, but it's not a good one. As we can see, critics tend to agree with the masses when it comes to the biggest movies. These Christian movies aren't anywhere near the biggest. They're popular among a small group who are passionate about them. The problem is they're not good movies; they're only good for their target audiences.

If there were ever an example of social misfits banding together to condemn mainstream tastes in art, this group is it.


If that's what they're doing, they're doing a horrible job, considering they have praised almost all the biggest movies.

Realistically, what America needs are film critics that reflect mainstream consumer tastes


So, the film critics we already have. Of course, we don't want critics who like everything that's popular and don't like anything that isn't. Then they'd be pointless. Their job is to judge a movie based on standards like acting, directing, storytelling, etc. Their job is not to watch a movie through the eyes of the target audience, although most of them will acknowledge whether or not the movie seems like it works for that audience, too.

We've seen this with award shows that also try to sell the public on the idea of supporting films that barely had audience attendance, and ignore blockbusters the public loves.


Yeah, it would be so much easier if they just gave all the awards to the biggest movies of the year. That would be perfectly useful.

They don't ignore blockbusters. They consider them for appropriate awards, like special effects, costumes, sound effects and that sort of thing. They don't consider them for the major awards because they're not appropriate for them. The big, popular movies tend not to be about acting and plot and all the stuff that awards are given for. They're more about action, comedy and fun. That's why they're so popular: they appeal to a wide range of people. You don't seem to understand the fact that making a lot of money isn't about being a great movie with great acting and great storytelling. Those things help, but the key to making a lot of money is the action, explosions, comedy and fun factor.

It's time for the public to vote, and those votes would then recommend what is good and worth watching.


You mean like they do on here and on Rotten Tomatoes? Oh, that's right. You don't mean "the public". You mean "The public who agrees with me". We're back to the fact that you already have what you want. Even if you want to disregard the critics who actually tend to give popular movies good ratings, Rotten Tomatoes still offers exactly what you want: the public's opinion. And they even tend to agree with you, giving movies like God's Not Dead and Do You Believe very good scores. In other words, your complaining is stupid and pointless.

Again....my solution is for a new Christian film and TV program review site to be created. This site would need to be governed by adults that are fair with films and television shows, and not overly harsh in their judgments.


In other words:

"It would be a site where they praised Christian movies, even if they're really bad like God's Not Dead and Do You Believe, because I like them, so critics have to like them too."

Why not just stick with the audience reaction from Rotten Tomatoes? They give you exactly what you want: a high rating and shared opinion of these movies. That's because they're mostly from the target audience, just like you.

And despite the troll accusations, I don't recall advocating that Rotten Toms be dissolved, nor am I aware of any legal means of doing so.


I'm not sure why you'd need to do that to be a troll. Being a troll is about posting inflammatory material simply in order to get a rise out of people. If that's not what you're doing, you might want to rethink your posting, because that's how you come off.

Two childish trolls are blocked by me since they've admitted to being on this Christian board purely to ridicule Christians. Their views on this thread aren't welcome or requested. The thread is opinion, and not proposed legislation, so grow up.


Aw, you're not going to read this? I guess we'll see. At least it's out there for anyone else. And no, I didn't say I was here to ridicule Christians. I said I was on your threads to correct you. I'm sorry you don't welcome opposing views, but you can't dictate what's posted on which threads. Sorry about that. Maybe you can find that new Christian review site where they can ban anything they don't like on their boards.

And yes, it is opinion, which is fine. You're welcome to your opinions. But when they're based on faulty or ridiculous logic, don't be surprised when that's pointed out to you.

Lastly, it's seriously funny to watch someone who calls film critics "social misfits" and who whines about mean old people criticizing movies he likes tell others to grow up. Maybe clean your mirror before criticizing others.

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They consistently don't represent the mainstream American audience preferences in films.

Uhmmm, actually they do with very few outliers most of the highly regarded movies on Rottentomatoes are about as mainstream as you can get.

The problem is when thinking that your views are somehow "mainstream" and getting offended when they're found to be not. Sure you think this way, your friends probably think this way, your family might even think this way but that's just a small sampling of the American population as a whole.

So here's what I'll say to you that I say to everybody else, if you like the movie and think it's the greatest then you have the right to believe so. That doesn't make you right any more than thinking otherwise makes other people wrong. It's simply opinion.

My personal opinion of this film is that it's only seen as good by the evangelical Christian types that ignore story, acting and everything else in favor of the message. Am I right? Am I wrong? That all depends on your personal bias and it's just as valid as everybody else's.

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but that's just a small sampling of the American population as a whole.


I have no idea what country you live in, but people of faith is the majority in America.

My personal opinion of this film is that it's only seen as good by the evangelical Christian types that ignore story,


Your militant atheist views were predictable from the onset, which is pretty much the disgruntled majority that chimes in with Rotten Toms.


Thanks for playing, and not interested in your minority views.

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I have no idea what country you live in, but people of faith is the majority in America.

Ah, but you're equating your faith as being indicative of the American public as a whole. I'll tell you right now it probably isn't. You're an outlier, possibly of the Evangelical young Earth crowd. The type that thinks America was founded on Christian principles, that believes we need to have a strong Christian in the White House and that all that don't think as you do are evil or at the very least need Jesus.

Fact is, most Americans are of the moderate bent. Of the people I work with and deal with on a regular basis the only real holy rollers make up about 10-15% of the population. Now I'll admit I don't live in the deep south or any state that can be labelled as being a part of the bible belt. So it might simply be a regional thing.

Your militant atheist views were predictable from the onset, which is pretty much the disgruntled majority that chimes in with Rotten Toms.

Militant? Far from it. I firmly believe that everybody has the right to believe as they want to and provided neither your views or mine are not held in higher regard than the other then there's no problem. In fact, the only militant I've found so far here is you. Namely the one who thinks only his views are worthy and everybody else must be wrong or at the very least a "militant atheist".

I'm glad that your hypocrisy is on display for all to see that the atheist was civil and it was the Christian that resorted to name calling. Speaks loads of your character doesn't it?

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And despite the troll accusations, I don't recall advocating that Rotten Toms be dissolved, nor am I aware of any legal means of doing so.

Did you look into it? 

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Did you look into it?


I'll leave that to you dong.

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Yes, everybody hates Gods Not Dead, but you think it's an attack on your religion. It's not. The film is terrible and even believers should be able to see that.

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1. The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 9.2
2. The Godfather (1972) 9.2
3. The Godfather: Part II (1974) 9.0
4. The Dark Knight (2008) 8.9
5. 12 Angry Men (1957) 8.9
6. Schindler's List (1993) 8.9
7. Pulp Fiction (1994) 8.9
8. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966) 8.9
9. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) 8.9
10. Fight Club (1999)

LOL LOL


This is proof that IMDb critics are mindless idiots.

I agree with 1, 5, 6, and that's it. The rest don't belong on the top 10 list.

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I agree with 1, 5, 6, and that's it. The rest don't belong on the top 10 list.



Again, you're trying to make it all about you. Because you don't agree with the ratings of movies you like, that it's because there's some conspiracy.

You can't (or won't) seem to grasp that sites like IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes are user generated, and that if people have problems with the movies you like that it has to be a problem on their end. That it can't possibly be because of anything else.

If you like these movies fine. But that doesn't stop them from being badly written, acted, etc. There are good biblical movies, for example, "The Ten Commandments", "Samson and Delilah", "Prince of Egypt." Movies that have a solid script, acting, production values, etc.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that because the majority of Americans are some version of Christian, that means they all love these movies the same way you do. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You are no more a representative of all Christendom than I am for all atheists.

These movies are strictly for a niche market. Namely Fundamentalist Christians. The average Christian, the kind that don't see wolves at every fence, tend to be more objective.

"In his house at Rl'yeh, dead Cthulhu waits, dreaming."

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