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Wild guesses at what's to come...

posted 9 years ago by dingo865
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I would love if they introduced alien life form in the series - something like this.

The green computing goo is actually a sample from a xenomorph that makes up the lake on planet Arkyn. The terraforming did not go wrong on Arkyn; it just woke up the xenomorph, and the Company had to freeze the entire planet to keep it in slumber and stop it from gaining self-awareness. The RAC made a deal with 'The Nine' and their Company to control it, in exchange of keeping them in power.

The RAC is using samples from the xenomorph to force human beings onto the next level of evolution (triple DNA?), but programs them to work as Level 6 agents (who have a bad case of ubermensch complex). They are building an evil galactic empire of genetic supermen.

Dutch's father may have been the head of a 10th family (?), and was not willing to compromise with the RAC's plans on the xenomorph, and hence had to be neutralized. Khlyen has never fully agreed with the RAC's agenda either (he is the brother of Dutch's father?), so he sought out Dutch to train her into a weapon against the RAC. Maybe Dutch and her father both share a condition (mutation) similar to D'Avin's, since birth.

The RAC is now turning The Nine and their Company against Westerley; the ensuing anarchy will create a great cover for their plans, and eventually lead to a power vacuum. They can then impose RAC control over the Quad - and across all inhabited systems in the Galaxy - with their Level 6 agents, and ubermensch the crap out of the universe.

Somehow, Alvis and his order will factor into all this as well; they may be competitors with the RAC for the green goo?

[–] jmaclac 9 years ago

I was kind of getting a "Jupiter Ascending" vibe from D'Avin's little flashback with Khlyen . Like Dutch might be the reincarnation of her former self. And I think the Khlyen himself may be kind of ancient, despite his youthful silverfox appearance. :D

I really hope not, even though I am one of the apparently few people who really enjoyed that movie (Eddie Renmayne's awful performance notwithstanding).

And I had thought that Dutch, and presumably her father, were from another part of the galaxy. She was able to identify the Red-17 ship from season 1 as something-something Royal Marines if I am remembering correctly.

So I would be surprised if Dutch turns out to be one of the Nine/Ten. I'm hoping not anyway because with the single exception of Pawter they all seem to be tools!

Well those are my wild theories on the current season. (:

[–] lvrt1234-577-958627 9 years ago

"And I had thought that Dutch, and presumably her father, were from another part of the galaxy."

Actually from what I saw you're right. Remember in one of the episodes Delle Sayah asked Dutch about the musical instrument on Lucy's wall that only royal princesses own them in "other parts" of the galaxy. And Dutch replied, "It came with the ship." We know Dutch married royalty so that could explain it. But it doesn't explain why Khylen would be so willing to kill her royal husband and believe he's protecting Dutch even after she was an adult and on her own unless he's closer than just a mentor. Then we have Dutch saying to D'Avin that Khylen has missing pieces of her life. That was during the time D'Avin was searching for Dr. Pim Jaegar.

Then we have everyone around Khylen always calling him Sir, giving him a strange kind of extreme reverence. Even before they used pain sticks on him one stated something about it being a pleasure to meet him or something like that. There was the comment of taking him back that would take a long time getting there. Then there's how people walk around him like he owns everything and Khylen's own way of carrying himself in a kind of regal persona. I'm thinking that there was something horrible that destroyed Khylen's kingdom and he hid Dutch to protect her. But we see Dutch fighting for some reason and she's much older than a child. I'm still wondering why Dutch wouldn't already know who her father is, unless those lost pieces include her family memories or that Khylen really isn't her father. And yet that's definitely not what the writers are telling us. They are giving us the reason Khylen has done everything he has from the very first episode of the show. Having D'Avin directly call him out and Khylen basically conceding the point shouldn't leave any of us in doubt about that.

"So I would be surprised if Dutch turns out to be one of the Nine/Ten. I'm hoping not anyway because with the single exception of Pawter they all seem to be tools!"

I would too. We have too many clues that Khylen and Dutch are from outside the Quad. In fact so is John and D'Avin.

[–] dingo865 9 years ago

Both of you are spot-on with the royal family issue; I somehow completely forgot about that? I did think, though, that both Khylen and Dutch were much older. This is what I meant by the father having been the head of a 'tenth family' and not compromising with the RAC: that at least this unknown father and Khylen have been around since the very foundation of the Quad system.

In this context, the reincarnation (genetic cloning...) aspect would explain how Dutch can have memories of fighting on Arkyn as an adult: it happened to her previous 'version', at the time the RAC asserted control over the green goo.

Having said that... the royal family thing really plays havoc with my wild guesses... (How the &^%$# did I forget about all that?)

[–] jmaclac 9 years ago

I can certainly see a foreign royal house being a precursor to the Nine of Qresh. So I can see Khlyen, Dutch and her unnamed parents being members of that bloodline.

However, I don't think that Dutch herself has any previous memories of Arkyn. When D'Avin asked her if she had ever been there before she said no. The memory that D'Avin witnessed seemed to be a genetic memory/database that the level 6's can access.

Khlyen said that he shouldn't be able to see that memory "yet", so I assume that all the level 6's can share or access that knowledge once they finish the "green goo" process.

Didn't the programmer who Khlyen murdered say that the goo was like cerebral spinal fluid? Or was that when she was looking at the neural link that Khlyen put in Dutch's neck?

[–] lvrt1234-577-958627 9 years ago

I can certainly see a foreign royal house being a precursor to the Nine of Qresh. So I can see Khlyen, Dutch and her unnamed parents being members of that bloodline.

Well, possibly with the precursor thing but why would any group of people need a precursor? They would just make themselves the ruling families, the end. Humanoids like that. But then your point does seem to make sense in that nine is an odd number, literally and figuratively. Could there possibly have been a ten? I'm thinking about the clues we have with the Qreshi families. Delle Sayah seems to have no idea about Dutch and had her assistant do some checking. Then Sayah never seemed to know more than just Dutch's given name and that Dutch was Khylen's "pet". Then of course Sayah didn't seem to have a problem doing what Khylen told her to do. So there is something there, maybe that precursor thing. Still iffy on what that could possibly be. But Khylen just being a mentor (even a level 6) doesn't explain why everyone that encounters him is one step from bowing and kissing his pinky ring. So whatever Khylen is, he's not the manservant of anyone, including any possibility of a set of mystery parents to Dutch.

However, I don't think that Dutch herself has any previous memories of Arkyn. When D'Avin asked her if she had ever been there before she said no. The memory that D'Avin witnessed seemed to be a genetic memory/database that the level 6's can access.

Agreed! Yet Arkyn has to play a very important role to the overall backstory of Khylen and Dutch. I can't believe Arkyn is their home world (which I did for half a second). But it could be that your precursor thing kicks in here. Maybe at one time Khylen's kingdom was on Arkyn and their people were kicked off the planet before the nine took over the Quad. Then there's the J or Jay (a cluster of moons or planets, maybe) and I'm not sure how that kicked into the story.

Khlyen said that he shouldn't be able to see that memory "yet", so I assume that all the level 6's can share or access that knowledge once they finish the "green goo" process.

Now see this is strange as hell. Khylen controls or controlled the RAC in someway. We know what the RAC is and why it's in the Quad. We know Khylen was a part of expanding the RAC to "other galaxies" that need law and order and that's why RAC agents are basically the enforcement branch of the law.

So here's my wild theory about level 6's and the goo. Sixes are top secret. With Khylen trying to make D'Avin a level six, it was a way to control D'Avin (that's what happened to Fancy). Level six's are not RAC agents but possibly a group of sleeper cells for Khylen that the Nine has no idea that's what Khylen is doing. The memories are a part of making them subservient and subconsciously loyal to a royal family or people they had no reason to be loyal to the death for. Per Fancy who got the full treatment, the memories and goo make them loyal to Khylen, and part of that loyality (per D'Avin) includes Dutch. The memories force the new level six to know who Dutch is and ensure that Dutch is seen fighting as well. Thus for me Khylen, Dutch and the royal family is one and the same. (I know, there was a level six that tried to kill Dutch).

Then we have Khylen discussing with the young Yalena that the other girl's mistreat her because her family name Yardeen is a disgrace. Therefore something bad did happen. Then we have Khylen telling her that her name is honorable. So we can believe that her family was defeated but still controls Khylen? My guess is not likely.

I'm guessing Khylen is traveling throughout the galaxy looking for the best people to make RAC agents, then turn the cream of the crop into his own private army. For what? Maybe to take back his kingdom or reinstate Dutch's family. But then I'm not seeing Khylen as the kind willing to do all that for an unrelated family just so that he can go back to being the manservant. He just doesn't strike me as that selfless. So I'm back to Khylen being the Baby Daddy.

Didn't the programmer who Khlyen murdered say that the goo was like cerebral spinal fluid? Or was that when she was looking at the neural link that Khlyen put in Dutch's neck?

Yes, I do believe I heard the "spinal fluid" comment. The neural link only attached to the base of the brain not replace anything. I believe Khylen stated the liquid "computer" uses the same goo as what is injected into the spine to make level sixes. Could be that level sixes are clogs of a different kind programmed to be one thing, super soldiers. Ones that Khylen can control. He tried that with D'Avin that didn't work. D'Avin already has super soldier programming.

It's all wild speculation but hella fun.

[–] Tastentier 9 years ago

I actually love the show's focus on posthumanist themes without distracting us with suspiciously anthropomorphic aliens. Gene-spliced and cyber implants-riddled trans- and posthumans seem more alien to me than a woman with pointy latex ears or a guy with a fake bony head crest, especially since the actors under the masks and props tend to be of European-American descent. Unless a Sci-Fi show has the budget of Falling Skies, I'd prefer it to steer clear of aliens. (Don't get me wrong, Falling Skies is a terrible show, but they did a great job with the suprisingly alien looking aliens).

[–] mdwv2 9 years ago

With the mention of Davin seeing Dutch in a "very old" memory on Arkyn, I think Dutch may be as old as Khlyen without knowing it. The scenes of him training her as a child could be from a thousand years ago. Then something happened which caused her to lose or block out part of her memories. Khlyen may have a very long history with her, and that is why he is doing everything to protect her until she gets "better" and recovers her memories.

[–] nullcreations 9 years ago

More bad acting, more bad writing, more bad story. The sooner this garbage is cancelled the better.

[–] dingo865 9 years ago

Strange, nullcreations: you hate this show so much you have posted word by word the exact same message in two different threads about it - yet you keep watching it?

I feel so sorry for people who can only get gratification by having other people's fun spoiled/shows cancelled, but apparently lack the psychomotor skills to switch to another show/channel...

[–] semi_charm 9 years ago

From what has been shown or said so far, I think the foundation of the Nine comes from somewhere beyond the Quad, which granted them the right to colonize it and form the Company. (There have been mentions of another colony in the J). Later settlers were either employed by the company, or at least subject to the rule of the Nine. After failed attempts at imposing martial law, the Company formed the RAC as an "impartial" police force.

Khlyen and Dutch also come from outside of the Quad, perhaps part of the hierarchy that has power over the Nine. There have been allusions to it, but not much has been stated directly. It seems the "military"--which D'avin was part of--is also part of the greater hierarchy, as they seem to have almost no presence within the Quad itself. Both Khlyen and the military have tech that is far beyond anything in the Quad (green goo, nanites, trans-space neurolinks, etc.), which might be forbidden for even the Nine to possess. (Not that it stops them from trying...)

In a recent episode, it was revealed that origin of the "scarback" ritual of self-mutilation was actually a show of purity, being untainted by the goo. Whatever the fight over the goo is, the military is on the other side of it and the scarbacks fought over Arkyn to stop them. I'm not sure what side Khlyen is on, but he's taken interest in D'avin's ability to control the goo.

[–] chrisjozo 9 years ago

I don't think there's some overarching Solar system wide government.

I think each planet along with their moons are independent of the next planet. So the Nine rule Quresh along with it's moons Leith, Arkyn, and Westerly (via the company.

I think whatever royal family Dutch married into rules her planet and it's moon.

I don't know who rules the Jacobis' planet. I think the military that experimented on D'avin is specific to that planet. I also think their military is against who ever created the green goo. D'avin was clearly meant to be a super soldier who could repel goo powered beings. In that regard I think they are on the same side as the Scarbacks.

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