I found Doc's selfless reversal at the end to be pretty abruptly out of character. Anyone else feel that way?
Jamie Fox was by far the weakest link, character and acting wise.
Do you think there is a deleted scene with Jon Bernthal, explaining what happened to his character?
Otherwise, I thought it was pretty great.
Doc's turn made sense to me given that he expressed a bit of sympathy for Baby and wanted him to succeed in the end. What made it out of character for you?
I agree with your assessment of Jamie Foxx, though perhaps it was more a case of him being outshined by all the other performers than phoning it in himself. The character could have been written slightly more sinister. However, it didn't take away from the overall enjoyment.
Maybe somewhere out there exists a scene with Griff getting offed. Maybe he got on the wrong side of Bats.
It wasn't so out of left field that it detracted from my enjoyment. I know he cared about Baby but he also threatened to kill him and everyone he loved. Like I said, helping him escape didn't bother, but dying for him seemed like a stretch
I thought Griff would end up on the last job.
Seeing Griff pop up again would have been a cool callback.
Maybe it's just me, but I could see Doc's affinity for Baby shine through even amidst the threats to coerce his cooperation. My grandpa was a sweet old man who threatened to kill me and everyone I loved on a daily basis, and we all knew that he was just doing his best to motivate.
Doc- Bad writing, plain and simple. We've seen before that Doc would have killed Baby without hesitation. He also would have enforcers working to protect him.
Jamie Foxx was disappointing playing this cliched, dare I say, racist role as an out of control, murderous, psychotic thug who ruined the entire criminal organization Doc had going. Your question should be, why didn't Doc kill him when they came back from the meet?
Jon Bernthal had to shoot The Punisher, that's what happened. I thought it was pretty clear they were setting a lot in this movie up for a sequel, Debora's line about "Going West in a car I can't afford" blah blah blah was a huge hint about that. I'm sure he'll reappear. There was a reason they showed him bullying Baby like that.
First chase scene was great. The rest was terrible, but it could have been fixed with some rewrites.
You're saying that an out-of-control, murderous, psychotic thug is considered a "racist" role for whom exactly? An Oscar-winning African-American male who happens to have an extensive background in comedy and can bring self-aware comedic timing to a role envisioned by a British writer/director who himself writes characters who knowingly embrace the clichés they represent? What exactly are you getting at here, now, then, there, yet?
I agree that the first chase scene was great. A WRX can definitely do all that was portrayed.
"Jamie Fox was by far the weakest link, character and acting wise."
Exactly the same thing happened in Django Unchained. It seems like when Jamie Foxx decides to stay Jamie Foxx, he lets the other actors to do the job. Unfortunately, as much as I like Foxx, I'd say it happens a little bit too often. Another case of "Oscars ruined my career" or more like "I have an Oscar so i already gave everything I had to give"?
Just you wait. He and Martin Lawrence will be the first to receive special dual Oscars for Wanda v Shanaynay: Dawn of Wigs.
shareHe was NEVER a good actor. I remember him going back to In Living Color. He's a washed up comedian who got a break when Hollywood directors decided to cast him in parts on a whim. He's never developed as an actor, not enough to take roles from better trained ones.
shareHe was nominated twice in the same year for Collateral and Ray. Say what you want, but "the numbers speak for themselves." - Scott Steiner.
shareYou still take the Oscars seriously? I feel sorry for you. I really do.
You need other people to tell you what you can like. That's sad.
Alice Vikander and bloody Jennifer Lawrence both have an Oscar. I haven't seen The Danish Girl and she was good in Ex Machina, but other than that she's not that great. And I'm offering dollars to donuts that Lawerence fucked her way in to Hollywood. I still don't understand how she won that Oscar. And she looked like a girl playing house in American Hustle.
I'm not saying either of them are bad actors. Just no Daniel Day Lewis's. Not even Steve Buscemis.
Yeah, probably Spacey put that into the script since he always wants to do things "different". Didn't go with the rest of the movie though.
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