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Have you paid for sex? I have. Let's talk about this show


I created a new handle for this thread, understandably. Fascinating, top-shelf show. It gets a great deal right, but like all artsy character studies, it would be a mistake to see this as, "the show that shows what prostitution is like." People on this board have compared it to Diary of a Call Girl, which is like comparing apples to iced tea; their genre is simply too different. I've only watched through Ep 3 (somehow most people here have already watched the whole show...? I'm watching it as it airs). Chelsea and Avery are very specific characters; she is like some prostitutes I have known, but not at all like most.

- What the show gets chillingly right


(1) The awkward dynamics of consent regarding sex work. Any feminist who thinks that consent is impossible is oversimplifying the situation, but any client who doesn't admit that the dynamics are compromised is fooling himself. There's a chilling moment in Ep 2, the first time Chelsea sleeps with her first client. After checking in about the envelope and offering her a drink, disorienting music cuts in, as the client walks across the room, sits down, and kisses her. So many people on this board, and throughout my life, have made the argument that prostitution isn't that different from dating, because we all pay for sex in different ways. If you wine and dine a woman and then @#$@ her, that isn't any different; the only difference is that she won't leave afterwards.

Hogwash, I say. Of course there are grey areas (trophy wives, sugar babies, etc.), but we do not "all" pay for sex. I have been out on hundreds of dates with dozens of women. I have an eccentric, shy personality, no game at all, an uninteresting career, and am unattractive in a manner that causes people to wonder if I have a communicable disease (use your imagination). So I wine and dine them, and about half the time we become friends, about half the time we never see each other again, and on the way to one of these options, they sometimes sleep with me once. So guys, if when you wine and dine women, they sleep with you, that's because THEY WANT TO SLEEP WITH YOU. I've never heard a woman say that she feels obligated to have sex because you've picked up the check. Maybe this helps her WANT to sleep with you, but that's the difference. Prostitutes don't want to sleep with me any more than other women do; they sleep with me because I pay them. It's a transaction, and I accept that. Those of you who have never had to pay for sex have no idea what you're talking about; listening to each other's problems, living together, even long-term financial support that involves real relationship; these things are relational, not transactional. Chelsea would never have gone to bed with that man because he bought her dinner. She's a young hot woman who likes young hot guys.

But that moment when physical intimacy begins holy @#$@ can it be awkward. Because even when the 'let's get to know each other' conversation hasn't gone well, even if you don't PARTICULARLY like each other, you know, and they know, how the evening is expected to end. Any morally decent client (I'd like to think I am one) is always ready to simply have the session end without sex, but let's face it; a sex worker wouldn't make much bank if she didn't sleep with men she found awkward, or unattractive. One you're sitting on the bed, whether she's feeling it or not (remember how Chelsea's eyes are open during the first few kisses), she goes through with it. And no, hardcore second-wave feminists, this does not make it rape. You can consent to having bad sex; couples do it all the time.

What this show, and every show, gets 'wrong' by omission


No show that I have ever seen (the film The Sessions does this) covers the positive side of sex work. The Girlfriend Experience is about men who don't HAVE to pay for sex (it's just more convenient, when when they pay for it the women are younger), and focuses on a sex worker who doesn't particularly want to be doing it. A very different show would focus on a cadre of sex-positive feminist prostitutes in a place like Berkeley or San Francisco or Portland who saw themselves as healers and muses, that they are genuinely in the business of intimacy, and they overcome those awkward moments mentioned above expertly, even lovingly. Who are poly, who eventually have partners who know what they do. Chelsea clearly is not that kind of sex worker; you don't see her a few years from now giving an out-and-proud speech about sex-workers rights. Deception and closed doors is endemic to what she does. When I have seen prostitutes that act like Chelsea, who are instantly interested in everything I have to say, who pretend (but not very well) to like me, pretend to have an orgasm, all with some sense of wanting to simultaneously suck me in and get it over with, I simply don't see them again. But everything about the dynamics in this show seems quite realistic, because for these types of clients, that's actually what they want. They don't want a girlfriend. They want a girlfriend experience.

I don't think that the world is ready for a show about the out-and-proud sex-positive feminist prostitute. But the world of sex work is a very dark, lonely world, and I welcome this show as exposing one corner of it with true artistry. Any other clients...thoughts? It takes a few minutes to create a new ID, and I'm sure people here would love to hear what you have to say...

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" A very different show would focus on a cadre of sex-positive feminist prostitutes in a place like Berkeley or San Francisco or Portland who saw themselves as healers and muses, that they are genuinely in the business of intimacy"

I wish someone would make a show about these women who are happy , just into living , life feeling good and making others around them feel good. It's like every escort / prostitute /hooker story is always some "damage" of sort about the women . Make a movie of women who enjoy being intimate and getting paid for it like who have a "killing two birds with one stone" vibe. Sex and money , money for sex two things people strive for , obsesses over , and being truthful can't live without........


I think a show like that will have to be written by one of those "muses" I have know many escort / prostitute /hookers and I have to say the ones with damage out weigh the happy-go-lucky type .

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I'm a screenwriter and we're currently developing a movie about a sexual healer type escort who's unapologetic about her job. Nor is she seeking ‘the one’. She's not looking to be saved. She’s not out to prove anything. She’s not broken. She’s not looking for her father, husband or a lover. She's a hyper intelligent, confident, beautiful character who owns her life choices and just happens to be good at her job. She’s a benevolent force who seeks to improve the human condition.
While it's a feature film instead of a series and not a cadre, it does take place in San Francisco and is sex-positive. It's called Soldier of Love and it's coming soon. You can check it out here
http://doczeefilms.com/index.html
or
https://www.facebook.com/Soldier-of-Love-1631310200457718/

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Sounds like a good movie. I would watch it.

I'm pro-escort. I see no shame in it.

Religion is the base of most of our moral standards and most of them are good but when it comes to sex, I think we have some messed up way of thinking.

I would be a call girl in a second. The only thing that stops me is those men out there that once their d**cks touch you they think they own you and they have the "right" to do what ever they want to you. (i.e. abuse etc)

I think of the movie NUTs from the 80's. It's because of guys like that is what would keep me from pursing that profession.



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I've seen two escorts in my life so far.

The first woman I saw was a few years ago, the other just a month or so ago. The first experience was not great sexually speaking, because I had difficulty getting it up. So it was mostly just oral. Because I was unsure of myself, I did not sleep with the second girl. I only paid her for kisses, fondling and talking. Yes, I am that lonely. Don't know why. I am actually not that bad looking. Not super handsome or anything, but cute in my own sort of way. I guess I am just shy, that is the problem.

So far it might sound like I had bad experiences? But not really, and the women themselves are the reason why. I don't know if I have been lucky or if they were terrific actresses, but conversation flowed well both times and they were overall speaking very nice people. Didn't seem uninterested in me like Christine perhaps tends to do sometimes with her clients. The girl I saw recently in particular went above and beyond what one might expect.

I think there is much variety in the sex work business. Much more than people realize. There are probably all these people who are only in it for the good pay, but also the kind of women you describe towards the end of your post. The kind that likes the idea of providing intimacy and not just the money. The trick is knowing which is which.

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Soo.. what is this 'uninteresting career', now we must know! :)

I was wondering about another thing.. I was fairly certain that she might encounter a client who would be physically abusive, especially after ditching the 'Madame' who mentioned that vetting the clients is something she takes very seriously. It seemed that Chelsea was unable to do it properly after going off on her own. There was that guy who snorted cocaine in Canada, then the jealous one.. surprisingly, only psychological abuse was shown.

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Yes!! majanndra I agree!!! I'm like "wait....no slaps? No spanking on the bottom" No request for kinky sex? No beating her up, knocking her around? Especially after she didn't perform with the husband-wife couple (the guy with the $33,000 watch)...why did he still pay her the $3000?
Although I enjoyed the show I found that piece of it...no "danger" from the johns...to be very unrealistic.

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Finally someone thought the same as I did :) !
Well that one near the end was 'kinky' I suppose, the jealous one..

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I honestly thought the show ok - kind of lacked direction when you got closer to the end. I hated the last episode entirely. I watched it out of fascination - a high-end show about an escort? But the problem with that is how do you keep it interesting? How do you make sure its different from porn, which is the risk you run with this subject material? I think the most entertaining scene was when the girl bangs the old guy on the boat. When she gets back on the boat and can't find him, there was some real tension there. The scene where they showed the guy getting 3 different girls, while doing drugs for the whole night - that was surreal for me to watch - not like I wanted to do it, but wow that is like the brink of hedonism.

Anyways, to answer your question - yes I have paid for a woman's time. I had pretty low self-esteem, and was never had success getting dates with girls I liked. Even if I did get a number and plans were made they would usually cancel. Online dating was much, much worse - zero replies.

Because I so often read about women preaching how important it was for men to get to know them for them, I started to become very frustrated. How can you do that if no one you are into will go out with you? Or cancel on you right before you are supposed to meet. I never was worried about getting sex - I wanted to take a girl out, show her a good time, and do whatever we BOTH wanted to do.

Of course, if you do not make it to a meet up in person, that never happens. I don't blame anyone, this was just my perception, and still is, to a degree. I'm always surprised that women never think cancelling on guys is directly preventing an opportunity to have a great conversation, as opposed to preventing a guy from getting laid.

So I started going to escorts. A few things that are non users don't know about escorts.

Escorts, high-end ones, generally are very tough to meet if you are a first-timer. There were many, many times I never got a call back from an ad. Some girls I met months after making first contact. Gorgeous women who are into this are rarely picking up the phone and running to your house upon the first attempt at booking. The vast majority I met I never kissed, and I was very agreeable on that. No foreplay either. Just the real thing during our scheduled time.

Here are some of my personally strange experiences that happened many years ago - and let me preface - these were all with extremely gorgeous and fit women, by any reasonable guy's standards -

a) a gym-rat dancer offered me full service at a strip club for a ridiculously low tip. I happened to leave work one day in the day time, and I happened to stumble into the right situation. She later ended up coming over to my place, and forgot her donation more than once. Always came back the next day to get it. Not that I cared, one bit, she had the most reasonable donation for time requirement that I had ever seen and hotter than a firecracker in July.

b) a girl stayed at my place well beyond our agreed upon time for free and wanted me to go out with her into the city just to hang out. I declined, and I was really glad when she left. Didn't like her that much though. Really pretty, but really arrogant. I learned very quickly that I preferred easygoing and girl next door types.

c) there was an agency girl I drove to see a few times. She had awesome tits, and had an awesome attitude to go with it. One time, I booked 4 hours, realized I had to leave in two, and didn't mind since I had already banged her twice really hard and rough, and really had no energy for round 3. I also figured there was no problem with leaving early, since she was getting overpaid. Guess what? She insisted on giving me back my remaining cash, over my objection several times. Watching an escort count back your own money to you after you banged is surreal.

d)there was a girl I communicated with for a few months on end, she was not in my state. When she was visiting, we agreed she would see me on a weekend morning, for 4 hours of her time. However, she was too young to drive, and was staying in a city pretty far away from me. Because I did not want to drive her two ways on the same day, she offered to come over the night before, spend the night, and we could start our appointment the next day. And I'd never met her before! That was some surreal *beep* We ended up getting it on that night after a 5-star dinner, and many times the next day. i didn't give any donation beyond what we had agreed upon, which made it even more crazy.

e)there was another girl I flew to see out of state. She was hot, but really disorganized and messy. But very attractive. There was a wedding going on for 2 nights at the hotel I stayed in, and we walked through it a few times when we went out to eat.

f) you stop caring about hot girls you see in public or at work the way every other guy does - you've already had better. And you don't put up with too much nonsense or drama with any other girls in your life.

g) A few things caused me to taper down on this activity. I never visited any girl who charged something like the show for their time. Generally, most high end girls I met were in the $300 range for an hour of their time. But it still adds up, quickly. And yes, the escorts being abused by clients stories are true, and they sicken me to death, I've been told many, and I won't elaborate on them. To degrade or demean an escort who is doing you no wrong is just sick. In the show, it made me uncomfortable when the obsessed guy asks her in such an angry way 'you like to get paid for sex? because you knew he was doing it to be a dickhead.

In real life, some really cute girls quit the business, exactly for that reason, before we ever got to meet. I never cared about an escort having other clients, but I did feel bad thinking they are going out there, and risking physical or emotional abuse.

Lastly, I do want to date, just to go out an talk and do fun things with someone. Whether that will ever happen remains to be seen, but positiveness has served me well in other areas of life.

Well, that's all I have to say on this topic. I hope they make more shows about escorts, but try hard to focus making them entertaining shows that non escort users could enjoy, as opposed to relying on explicit sex scenes.

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Paying for sex.... no way Jose.

If my mind knows I'm literally paying for it... it's a turn off.

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I'm right there with you. That's why I can't stand strip clubs, either. I'll only go if I get dragged or if it's a bachelor party. I just can't get into paying a girl to take her clothes off for me... it's just too skeevy in my mind.

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I don't like strip clubs either. But I honestly feel they are MORE objectifying than prostitution. At least when you pay for sex, you talk to her like she is a human being and not an ornament (I'm well aware there are different kinds of prostitution though).

The thing is, the right escort will make it feel natural. Or maybe I'm just lucky, I don't know. John did say that most girls don't kiss. Well, the girl I saw a few weeks ago certainly did kiss. A lot. We talked a lot too and it honestly felt like a date. You almost forget that you pay. Well, except for her taking all the initiatives.

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IMO there are some men who act like they are buying you if they spend 20 bucks getting you some drinks. IMO, the problem isn't the buying drinks, it's the attitude of the man. He's basically saying any woman can be bought and is basically a whore, which is messed up. As you said, if a man doesn't want to buy drinks or dinner, then don't. If you want to go dutch then go dutch, if a woman offers to pay and you won't let her don't think that is her accepting anything other than drinks.

As a woman, I find the idea of paying for sex pretty repugnant and the men who do it to be repugnant. If I was with a guy and I knew he paid for sex before I might even break up with him over it and if I didn't I would definitely lose respect for him and honestly it probably won't work out because of that. You are paying for something you don't need, and are supporting an industry that's not only illegal but because it's illegal it systematically abuses women. You can't have prostitution when women aren't victimized while it's illegal and if you are supporting it then you are part of the problem.

But, I don't find the idea of getting paid for sex repugnant at all and I don't have any negative feelings for women who have sex for money. They are basically having sex for things they actually NEED, like food, housing, power and clothes.

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Why do you assume every woman out there does it only for money. Many also enjoy the experience and that's why as mentioned by John, some quit when encounter a bad experience with an abusive client. There are countries where this is deemed legal, so it's a experience for which one pays for. I understand your personal stand on that and why you may break up with someone who paid for sex, but I don't think everyone will. For instance, there are woman who seek similar experience from men (paid or otherwise). For instance, even John would like to date a woman and indulge in an experience which both will enjoy. He never got a chance, so he tried this. Am sure there many other men with similar experience. John's words only opens my mind to experiences, which I never had, but yet I get to know more about the world.

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So men who pay for sex are pathetic and disgusting, but the females who take money for it are just honest working girls?

Some guys have to pay for sex because they are too ugly (like me). However, there are plenty of ways for a woman to support herself short of prostituting herself. They're just like any other criminal, they're lured in by the idea of making a lot of money without needing any special skill or working very hard for it.

Everyone supports prostitution, yet nobody wants their daughter doing it.

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I don't consider sex important enough to pay for it. But it would seem better to have an uncomfortable "paid date" that is definitely going to end in sex than 100 uncomfortable normal dates that probably aren't. The best thing though is just to fall ass-backwards into sex, even if it rarely happens to you. (Alcohol and bisexuality help a lot there).

The only kind of "paid dating" that would really appeal to me is one like in "Sleeping Beauty" where the girl has been drugged unconscious (voluntarily of course)--or less extreme--they could be blindfolded and/or I could be masked and there would be zero conversation. That's the exact opposite of the "girlfriend experience" though. The point of having a girlfriend is not really for sex, but because you actually LIKE her.

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