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Comparison with The Grey Zone


In what way is his film similar to or different than The Grey Zone?

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From the 'Trivia' section:

This is not the first feature film about the subject of the 'Sonderkommandos' in the Auschwitz extermination camp: Tim Blake Nelson already wrote and directed The Greyzone (2001) based on his stage play, which premiered at MCC Theater in New York in 1996. Both Nelson's film and Son of Saul (2015) have in common that they are based in part on "Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account" by witness Miklos Nyiszli, a Hungarian-speaking Jewish doctor forced to work in Auschwitz. But co-writer/director László Nemes based his film on additional historical sources: "The Scrolls of Auschwitz" [aka "Voices From Beneath The Ashes"] (edited by Ber Mark, published 1985), a collection of accounts that were secretly written and hidden by the actual 'Sonderkommando', was the main inspiration and starting point. Other books with survivor testimonies were used and historical experts consulted. Nemes acknowledged that he has seen Nelson's film, but disapproves of certain aspects of it: "...mine is an Anti-"Grey Zone"! Imagine, in "The Grey Zone", the inmates spoke in English. Also Nelson's film shows too much, relying on constant emotional upheaval that is theatrical (...) We used a restrained strategy to tell very little. When you are not limited, cinema can take you to over-expression and spectacle." [2015]

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The narrative is almost similar, but with a difference that makes The Grey Zone far more perfect. Saul searched for a Rabbi to give the last rites for a murdered child he symbolically "adopted", he gave himself up totally to this very personal task, thus neglecting his moral duties to his brothers in suffering; people in The Grey Zone were committed to save the living girl, who miraculously survived the gas chamber.

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Yes, that's one difference, but the main difference is the style and POV.

It's a totally different experience.

There's a lot to admire about "The Grey Zone", but I don't think it gets it right.

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I disagree. The two films even though they both take place in the same locale and historical setting and even follow somewhat the same plot are like comparing apples and oranges. Both went for something completely different and mined different experiences from their respective films. The Grey Zone was a far more disturbing and emotional experience to me, and then the end happens and you listen to the girl talk about becoming smoke and being breathed in by you or I and I'm sorry, but I totally lost it. The inhumanity was perfectly described by The Grey Zone. Son of Saul on the other hand had an almost chaotic calm to it, the lead character so ptsd'd by the stress of everything and yet the mind not accepting of the idea of death has our lead trudging through daily activities completely aloof and disembodied from the situations, and the thing that was most conveyed to me throughout Son of Saul was the methodical calculated ruthless speedy process by which the Nazis managed to exterminate and then subsequently destroy the evidence of said extermination forever. Two different films. Two different goals. Two different philosophies... I think they're both two of the finest films ever made, btw... Both are masterpieces.

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I've seen both films, and both are excellent. But they are very different in style. Saul is more of a POV film. It puts you right in the middle of the story.





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The Grey Zone is about life, where this is about death.

The Grey Zone is a broad view, where this is a very singular view

While both show the cruelty, the confusion in this makes it feel more real

The Grey Zone centers on the revolt, it is the center of the action and attention, while here it is not the main story, actually, the most important thing they may ever do is a distraction to the protagonist.

In my opinion there is little in common other than the historical event they are centered around

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When I first saw GZ I felt like the Director was presenting the A/B existence in a different way ... it was very busy ... it was very industrial ... it was urgent ... it was roaring and noisy. No other film was like this before GZ. Now this film comes along and it feels very similar. Surely GZ had a big influence on this film.

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