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Gaspar Noé's obsession with sex?


There seems to be sex and or rape, to some extent, in every one of Noé's films. I loved Enter the Void, and it's currently my favourite film (despite its flaws). Irreversible was also a powerful piece of cinema. I'm yet to see a I Stand Alone, but know a lot about it from other people and plan to view it soon.
I'm a little skeptical about this film ("Love") though. I'm sure he's put his own cinematic signatures all over it, but at the same time the film's main focus will be sex and has been set up as a porn film by the words of many people (including Noé himself, I think). I think his work is really impressive, but this sounds like it's going to disappoint. I may watch it at some point. Anyone know if it's been released on DVD yet? I'm guessing not. Anyway, If sex is his motif then fair enough, but it would be good to see something with a little more depth or an arty vibe to it. Even if this movie is *beep* it won't affect my thoughts on Enter the Void. Purchased the shorter version (2 hours and 17 minutes) of that on iTunes for a decent price and was amazed by the visuals, cinematography, philosophical insight, and other themes within this film. Couldn't get my hands on a copy of the 2 hour and 40ish minutes extended version here in Australia, but managed to see it online. Even though I bought it on iTunes, I'm now awaiting a physical DVD copy of the shorter version to arrive. If you still haven't seen Enter the Void but like Noé's other work, definitely give it a look.

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Hi there,

have you seen I Stand Alone yet? Just curious about your thoughts on this one, especially compared to Irreversible and Enter The Void, both of which I really enjoyed...

As for Love, I will see it, obviously...I think that, to answer your underlying question, it will be an arty film, not a plain porn one...knowing Noé and his visually stunning films, I guess it will really be great, beautiful, and well crafted:)

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I actually decided to watch "I Stand Alone" not long after I posted this. In terms of cinematography it isn't as impressive as Irreversible or Enter the Void, but as a result of putting less focus on extraordinary cinematography it has a better plot to follow than both of those films.
Once again, this film has scenes that could be perceived as quite controversial, but also has its very arty vibes at times. The moment when message that says something along the lines of "Warning: you have 30 seconds to leave the movie theatre before things get super disturbing" is pure genius. I think that anyone who complains about the controversial content of the film after choosing to continue watching despite reading the message are just huge hypocrites who want to find something to complain about for whatever reason. And there are plenty of film critics out there that do make it their hobby to do just that.
I also found the nihilistic mind of the butcher and the constant narration to be interesting to listen to, albeit those kind of thoughts being something I've already read about in philosophy. The twisted but also seemingly "light at the end of the tunnel" kind of ending was pretty great too. Overall a good film, but I still prefer the other two that I've seen.

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Also, Noe's obsession with sex still is present in "I Stand Alone", which is pretty clear in some scenes.

On a side note, when/if you've seen "Love", I'd be interested in hearing about it.

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Hi eviltvhost2012,

I've seen Love last month and I must say it was really good...the cinematography is amazing (once more), the soundtrack is great, the dark and depressing atmosphere of the movie makes for an uneasy but, at the end of the day, rewarding watch.

Yes, there are quite a lot of sexually explicit scenes, but they are so well crafted and the lighting and all are so peculiar somehow that it really does not look like a porn film at all. It is a movie with a plot, with depth and moving moments, unlike just any porn flick.

I highly recommend it to you: it has everything a "Noé's admirer" may like:)

I enjoyed every bit of it, although some sex scenes may be a bit unnecessary at times: but apart from that, no real flaw if you ask me...Let me know what you think about it when you get to see it...

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Thanks for the reply. Will try to find a way of watching it and get back to you upon seeing it. I'm certainly interested to see how the execution of a "plot, with depth and moving moments, unlike just any porn flick" fares, especially as a Noé admirer. - J

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Finally got around to watching Gaspar Noé's "Love". I still see it as though Gaspar has some sort of an obsession with sex and other taboos. It's definitely one of his motifs. The film had some unnecessary scenes, I think. I know the selling point of this film was supposed to be that it represents sex "in a joyous way" and everything revolves around the theme of "Love". Before seeing this I imagined that there would be more lust than love. And I believed this while I was watching it up until the last 40 minutes or so of the film. I think the film is more about thinking that you're in love, being fooled by your feelings, without realising that it was probably just lust. But then the twist seems to be that once Murphy lost Elektra, he realised how much he loved her. I personally hated his character for the first half of the film, and this is a trend with many of Noé's male protagonists in his films. But he has some strange way of making you sympathise with them in the end. That happened here. I've only just finished the film and it's almost 3am, so I'm still processing the ending of the film with a tired mind. But Elektra's chatacter often doubts Murphy's understanding of Love. And I too doubt his view of love. I'm still questioning whether or not there was any love between them, or if it was just a tornado of lust. I wish there was less sex and more character development or some more exhibition of whether or not they seemed to have some sort of mutual understanding and respect. Also the acting in some parts seemed a bit dry and awkward, which contributed to me doubting whether or not they could even hold up a normal conversation as lovers or even close friends. But the film's focus is sex and the importance of love. And seems to, from what I have perceived, question what love is for people, and how it can be quite subjective with different people placing value on different aspects of what they saw as being "love". It's also pretty clear that inviting that girl into the threesome set off a chain of events that led to (possibly both characters, but from what we were actually shown...) Murphy being unfaithful. I've seen some interviews with Gaspar Noé and it seems he understands love as being something that can be shared with multiple people (not just one sex partner).. Or at least that's the vibe I got from it. And I wonder if he is trying to show such a form of polyamory in a positive light in this film. It's something I'll have to consider when I'm not so tired, and maybe after a second viewing. But I feel that it was the threesome that led to the unfaithful activity of one or more of the characters. This led to Murphy and Elektra's breakup and Murphy's emotional breakdown/depression which we are shown towards the end. Which would make me assume that polyamory is being shown negatively here, as it appears to destroy their relationship.. Pushing them further into lust to the point that they breakup, and it is only then that Murphy supposedly understands the importance of love.. Once it is too late. There are some genuinely good and warm scenes in this film. Sometimes I felt like the two of them may have actually been lovers, but most of the time I had my doubts. The soundtrack and cinematography, as always were great, maybe less experimental and chaotic than his last two major films, but still quite interesting and very Gaspar Noé-esque. Plenty of references and similar vibes to his earlier films too. But I feel this is still his weakest film out of "I Stand Alone", "Irreversible", and "Enter the Void". I wasn't particularly disappointed but I'm not a fan of this one. I continue to respect, but not quite understand Gaspar Noé, but damn is it fun trying to analyse and understand him. Some say this is a porno hidden behind the veil of an art film. Lars Von Trier's film, Nymphomaniac was far more pornographic, but also had a reasonably interesting plot and artistic merit. And I see more art film than porn here in "Love", but there were still a few sex scenes that dragged on. I'm sure I had more things I wanted to mention but I'll probably sleep on it for now.

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Sex is the best. Who wouldn't be obsessed?

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Asexuals, and people with other things to keep their life interesting (although in the latter case sex is still a part of life; just not an obsession).

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Asexuality is made up thing. And how does your comment proves that sex isn't the best thing ever to 99% of the people? I have other things to keep my life interesting, that doesn't change the fact that sex is still the best.



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I think your comment says it all really. Asexuality is not made up, and hormonal imbalance can dramatically reduce or increase drive. Your comment reads like that of a 13 year old boy but apparently you're not. For most adults I know, sex is far grok the most important thing - love is.

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The entire world is obsessed with sex... Not just Gaspar Noe. So what is your point?

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I sound like a 13 year old but you don't even know how to f-ing read?! Where did i said that sex is most important thing? I said it is the best. Also what does love have to do with this debate? Stick to the subject.

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The legitimacy of asexuality is a completely separate debate. But I'm sure that despite the majority of people that are enjoying their sexuality, there may be others that would consider other aspects of their life as being more joyous. It may not be the best thing for 100% of the population, despite it being a majority. - J

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Being obsessed with sex is one thing and quite unfair to say. To be more accurate your question should read "His obsession with eroticism?"...

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I don't know if eroticism should be the word used either. In Irreversible, the main focus of the sexual content was on the rape and how much of a tragedy rape is. I wouldn't say he intended to show rape in an erotic way. That wasn't his intent. And certain times that sexual acts appear or are implied in Enter the Void or I Stand Alone are also done to make you feel uncomfortable. Maybe to some, these scenes can be perceived as erotic. And there are some other scenes that ARE straight up erotic, but that doesn't seem to be where his obsession lays. If it is eroticism, then he has made himself known to make the erotic into something difficult to watch or just discomforting. I'm still yet to see "Love", but it's been claimed to represent sex in a "joyous" way. Sounds like quite the contrast. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm just letting my thought process spill out into this reply.

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yeah but for some people seems just like a drug

too much and it looses its effect, dosnt get you high anymore, and you just feel empty

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Some people, not all people.

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"in the end, everything is about sex..."



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John Waters put it more bluntly: "Relationships don't last because people want to have porno sex forever."

Those who are never satisfied (as Murphy says, he simply couldn't turn down the blonde because she was "so hot") will be unable to have lasting relationships. And doomed are those of us who fall for them.

Personally, I adore sex, but I'd rather have a lot of it with one person that I love, instead of having multiple partners. In the era of Grindr and Tinder, I know I'm in the minority.

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That's respectable.
The quote from Amelie doubles the respect points.

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What can I do, I'm nobody's little weasel.

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Do you have the same complaint about Michael Bay being obsessed with explosions? Or Scorsese and violence? Why single out sex as a matter of obsession?

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Personally I don't expect much from a Michael Bay film. They simple fun, and even then I've been finding them less and less entertaining. And yes, the explosions are way too over the top in Michael Bay's filmography. As for Scorsese, only seen a few of his films and I don't think it's enough to comment. Age of Innocence was hardly violent. Sure, stuff like the Goodfellas and Shutter Island were, but I can't comment beyond that.

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What was overly sexual about Irreversible and Into the Void?

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Is it his obsession, or our society's?

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Society too has an obsession with "it", and you could see Gaspar Noe, as a film maker, making a film that appeals to the mass audience, but he goes out of his way to make his viewers often uncomfortable with essentially all of his works. I don't think it's his intent to feed society's obsession with sex, if anything he's trying to put them off of the obsession, or expose a side of the viewer that they initially would have hoped not to exist within themselves (eg. if they were turned on by the rape in "Irreversible", or if they turned to be sympathetic with Murphy after his *beep* behaviour in "Love", it would be something that the viewer notices and feels confused or uncomfortable about). But I do think that if a film promises to be controversial and raunchy, it will always attract a curious audience.

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You must be a woman

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