Does anyone else think this is the best of all the Star Wars... - Rogue One (2016) Discussion

[–] Forky (1739) 5 years ago

Yup.

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[–] Ace_Spade (9547) 5 years ago

Can't speak for everyone, but to me, 4 is the best - super-tight storytelling in that script, and the originality and imagination that went into it are inspiring. 5 is next, masterfully building a new plot onto the old, although the story isn't quite as succinct as the original. 6 bumbles a couple things - having an opening sequence somewhat unrelated to the rest of the film and the toyettic ewoks - but nicely wrapping up the core story arc - Luke's journey from farm boy to saviour of the Force and his father's soul.

I don't really like the others. Closest is 7, which to me is like a fan fiction with a huge budget. It's massively entertaining, but it bungled so much of the Star Wars lore that it doesn't work for me. 8's a mess. The prequels are awful.

As for Rogue One...

I thought it was boring. I connected to none of the characters. Its action scenes were perfunctory. It has some oddnesses - I won't quite call them plot holes - that don't make sense. It reduces Princess Leia to a bungler who can't stick the landing on the genius work of everybody else in the Alliance. It smugly condescends to the original film, pretending to "fix a plot hole" with the exhaust port (it wasn't a plot hole); the explanation was unneeded and clumsy.

In short: I didn't like it at all.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

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[–] Ace_Spade (9547) 5 years ago

You raise a good point: it's an intentional design flaw, but it's heavily guarded. That means they found out about it and, instead of fixing it, they went, "Ah, whatever."

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[–] Kowalski (75537) 5 years ago

NOT REALLY,HIS WHOLE "POINT" IS SPECULATION AND ASSUMPTION BASED OF SPACE TECH FROM ANOTHER GALAXY IN A SCI FI FILM.

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[–] Ace_Spade (9547) 5 years ago

Chill out, man, we just don't see the logic behind the plot. The whole message board is about discussing film, it's no reason to spin out like this.

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[–] Kowalski (75537) 5 years ago

NO ONE'S SPINNING OUT ,CHIEF.DID YOU JUST RUN IN A BUNCH OF CIRCLES OR SOMETHING?

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[–] Ace_Spade (9547) 5 years ago

No, you're just caps lock yelling at people for speculating about movies on a movie message board, so it seems like you're spinning out.

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[–] Kowalski (75537) 5 years ago

LMAO...CAPS ARENT YELLING.THATS INVENTED SHENANIGANS..MY CAPS ARE ETERNAL..HAVE NOT A THING TO DO WITH THIS SILLY TOPIC.ITS CUTE OF YOU TO TOTALLY SIDETRACK EVERYTHING WITH YOUR FASCINATION WITH ME.

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[–] MOOVYZ (3) 5 years ago

This conversation got weird, funny too. But before everyone gets their panties in a bunch let's not lose sight of the fact that the only way Luke was able to take advantage of this built-in flaw was to use an invisible force, dictated to him though the voice of a dead guy!

And this is also a galaxy where Jar Jar Binks is supposedly a real "intelligent" creature.

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[–] Ace_Spade (9547) 5 years ago

Conversation got super weird. Thanks for reining it back in.

The difference is that Star Wars establishes The Force as part of its world and mythos, so when Luke uses it to focus and make the shot that destroys the Death Star, it works.

Rogue One was trying to correct a problem that didn't exist. The in-world space station's weak point isn't a problem because it makes sense in-universe. My problem with Star Wars isn't "unrealistic" Jedi. My problems with Rogue One are because I don't think it works as a story and because the characters aren't very good (in my opinion).

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[–] howgamer (3931) 5 years ago

I may frequent these boards a lot more than actually saying anything, but these constant explanations by Kowalski to explain to other people that he just uses CAPS is hilarious and I love it! I must have gotten used to it because I saw your name and caps and I was like oh it's Kowalski, this person isn't raging lol

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

who said it was fixing a plot hole?

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[–] Ace_Spade (9547) 5 years ago

A lot of people in the wake of the movie.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/rogue-one-death-star-plot-hole-galen-erso-jyn-plans-heist-a7476521.html

https://movieweb.com/rogue-one-fixes-star-wars-new-hope-plot-hole/

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-plot-hole-death-star/

Those are just the media. I heard a lot of fan reaction talking about it, too.

Also, the film decided to make the whole plot of the film hinge on Jyn Erso's father putting the exhaust port in, which in and of itself explains something that needed no explanation.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

"One of the most infamous and widely mocked plot holes in the original Star Wars movie is cleverly resolved in Rogue One." - screenrant

Whatta load of bullshit , the media will make up anything to fill column inches.
infamous? widely mocked?
I bet there is not one instance on record of that being said pre rogue one , even if you go back to the pre internet usenet days.

" the whole plot of the film hinge on Jyn Erso's father putting the exhaust port in,"
not really , the plot of the film was showing how Princess Leais ended up being able to supply the plans to the alliance in ANH

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[–] JoWilli (19977) 5 years ago

RO is based on the line in the opening crawl of A New Hope. Adding the exhaust port stuff was superfluous.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon,

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[–] Ace_Spade (9547) 5 years ago

It wasn't just the media. Whether they started it or not, I can't speak to, but I do recall fans talking about this as well. So of this was in real life - live conversations I can remember having.

Here's a Cracked article where they reference a novel that also tried to plug the "plot hole":
https://www.cracked.com/article_24462_6-ridiculous-ways-movies-plugged-up-famous-plot-holes.html

The article is from Rogue One's year, but that novel is really old. People have been thinking about this and talking about it for a long time now.

You're right; I should not have said "hinges on" when talking about the plans aspect of the plot. Nevertheless, it is not a superfluous detail of the plot, because that stuff is all Erso the Elder's character path of protecting his daughter (and the universe!), etc. So, it's not the totality of the plot, but it isn't an inconsequential part of the story, either.

I do disagree that "get Princess Leia the plans" is the main plot, either. Princess Leia (in this film) was definitely an afterthought and could've been subbed out for any other character but for the fact that the first film has her with the plans. In other words, Princess Leia doesn't do anything in this movie that makes it necessary for her to be there.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

"Every complex system has a weakness"
why? who says so? Its a catchy line often trotted out in the movies in various forms, but....
Complex systems have multiple redundancies and specifically avoid having a "single point of failure"

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

" It smugly condescends to the original film, pretending to "fix a plot hole" with the exhaust port "
Nobody is saying that, that just sounds like something a militant fan came up with to shit on the film.
Its simply the story of how the plans for the death star came to be in Princess Leas hands at the start of ANH.

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[–] Ace_Spade (9547) 5 years ago

I've heard fans of Rogue One make that claim. There are articles (many of them) that talked about it when the film came out. Here's one:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/rogue-one-death-star-plot-hole-galen-erso-jyn-plans-heist-a7476521.html

That the film felt the need to "explain" the hole suggests that the filmmakers of Rogue One thought it needed fixing.

So, a lot of people are saying that.

But that's not my biggest problem with the film. My number one problem is I didn't connect with any characters, and subsequently, I didn't care about their fates, their actions, etc.

Next on the list of problems: I didn't like the action scenes. They felt perfunctory. Nothing felt special to me. None of them were thrilling or really interesting. I acknowledge that they were well-done, but I just didn't get into them. Again, probably has something to do with the characters being lackluster in my eyes.

And the plot in and of itself (even forgetting Star Wars) was banal. It felt like they were going through the motions.

Only on top of that do I dislike the condescension towards the original Star Wars and the undercutting of Princess Leia.

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[–] Kowalski (75537) 5 years ago

THE PEOPLE WHO HATE ROGUE ONE ARE THE ONES WHO FIND ITS VERY EXISTANCE AN AFRONT TO THE NEW HOPE...THEY NEED TO RELAX.

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 5 years ago

Yes you are the only one

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6121) 5 years ago

Nope I like it the best also.

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[–] DracTarashV2 (4493) 5 years ago

My Man!
(Not you particularly but anyone who echoes these sentiments, lol).

Putting its place in this toxic-infested-fanbase franchise aside, RO is a fantastic film in general. (To hell with all the ❄️ reich wing nerds and detractors up on this mofo.) Hell yes.

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[–] prayformojo (101) 5 years ago

It's the best NEW Star Wars by a mile. A solid #4 behind the original trilogy, just edging out the Phantom Menace for that spot (which I actually like if you take a bathroom break during the endless pod racing scenes). It definitely held up on a rewatch. You couldn't even pay me to re-watch any of the other Disney Star Wars film.

It's interesting that Jinn is a more interesting and likable character than Rey.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Best Disney SW.

Not the best SW.

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[–] Dan11111 (23) 5 years ago

i'd almost agree after Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back... Rogue One is 3rd. I would ask why you watch any of this crap at all if you don't really like the original trilogy that much? Because except for Rogue One It is a Neverending string of dissappointments

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