no doubt that holocaust is a tragedy to be remembered forever.. but what as a european shocked me the most was that true/sad picture of the simpliness and acceptance of gun purchase and carrying in the states..
shareYes, it's desolating and yes for money they would let a (seemingly) confused man buy the gun. It's that easy!
He even asks the clerk to write the instructions on a piece of paper....
Atom Egoyan does have a wicked sense of humor, at times.
a lot of gun shops here in the states now have firing ranges - you can rent used guns and a lane and get some practice in.
it might've been slightly more believable if the movie had let Zev practice a little before drilling the dude in the forehead later in the film
it might've been slightly more believable if the movie had let Zev practice a little before drilling the dude in the forehead later in the film
yeah, i considered that as well. it does tend to be instinct after a while, and the torso shot makes sense.
but man, that headshot was pretty. for an old man with shaky hands...
I'm afraid you are missing the point... He should not have been allowed to buy the gun in the first place. No wonder you want guns in bars, churches and schools: you're insane!!
Let it be known that your "second amendment" made sense back in the 18th century and that I and most people reading this do not give a damn about your outdated constitution.
About his shooting skills revealing his "true identity" -bravo you got THAT right!
Yes, I'm sure at each point, as Jews were being loaded on to the trains, as they were trying to rebel in Warsaw, Vilna, Mir, etc., and in the camps at Soibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz, that's what they all thought:
"Thank Hashem that we don't have the barbarous 2nd Amendment in Europe or somebody might get hurt."
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I go to the movies more than you.
I'm so happy that you use what could possibly be the most ridiculous argument to justify what is, I repeat, a senseless and antiquated amendment. No doubt you are a gun lover. Don't worry we cannot all be "intellectually fit".
Here is where your cognitive dissonance lies:
Comparing the atrocities of facist psychopaths over the Jewish population of Europe to the "torments" of Americans in a post Civil-War U.S. where the greatest threat is an offensive video on YouTube is downright dumb. Besides, were riffles restricted in Poland or...Germany at the time?? The 2nd would have saved them really?
Seriously, you think that these poor people stood a chance against the SS in a VERY organized genocide?
I find this insulting to anyone who has ever lived under fascist regimes -not to mention the families of survivors of the holocaust.
If you want to be a gun advocate, fine but don't do it in such a shallow way...the problem is you watch too many movies.
I'm not a gun lover. I do not own a gun. Yet.
"Comparing the atrocities of facist psychopaths..."
I compared nothing. I simply noted the facts: You've argued that the Second Amendment made sense in the 18th century, and so I've presented you with a relevant (to the movie) historical incident from the 20th century where an armed populace might have made a difference. There have been many other incidents since then where an armed populace might have made a difference. There are current ongoing incidents all over the world where people are being oppressed because, in short, they can be.
Here's a well-researched, well-footnoted paper on Nazi Germany's disarming of the Jews:
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/law_review_articles/nazi_firearms_law.pdf
This opening quote from that article is especially relevant.
"We are in danger of forgetting that the Bill of Rights reflects experience with police excesses. It is not only under Nazi rule that police excesses are inimical to freedom."
You think the biggest threat we face is a YouTube video? Hey, our Secretary of State thought that, too, and threw a man into jail for having made one, despite the First Amendment. That strikes me as a disturbing abuse of power.
"Seriously, you think that these poor people stood a chance against the SS in a VERY organized genocide?"
Seriously, I know they had no chance without weapons, as history has shown.
Seriously, if they had been well-armed and willing to use those arms, the true intent of the Nazis (whose PR suggested they were relocating Jews to Happy Fun Camps) might've been that much harder to hide.
Seriously, I know that the evil target the helpless.
Seriously, I know it couldn't have turned out much worse than it did.
Seriously, I know that the idea that there are more guns than people in the USA serves as a deterrent to criminals, foreign invaders and, say, politicians rounding up people and putting them into camps because they don't believe in climate change, object to constant surveillance, reject the welfare state, believe in Jesus, or whatever.
Seriously.
"...the problem is you watch too many movies..."
That may be the source of many of my problems. This is not one of them, however.
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Hi TopoMax.
Movies are part of the problem, but if you live in Europe you may not be aware of the MASSIVE influence in the US of the NRA (National Rifle Association.) They are incredibly powerful as a political force - and officials for political office in the US are massacred in elections if they don't support the NRA and the Second Amendment, etc. (If a political candidate opposes 'gun freedom' - the NRA organizes and spends LOTS of money to destroy that candidate in the election. And the NRA will often put a more right-wing, pro-gun candidate up against the (reasonable) person in 'primary' elections (where one Republican is fighting another rust to get the right to run in the final election against a 'Democrat.')
The NRA has been an EXTREMELY successful group in brainwashing Americans to believe that they NEED a gun to save their lives. (Despite the fact you are 40 times more likely to die by gun if you have one in your home (accidents, suicide and spousal attacks). )
I'm sorry to tell you that you will NEVER be able to argue facts and change the mind of an American gun nut. That's because they developed their (deluded) opinions about guns - not from facts - but from constant, repeated lies from the pro-gun lobby - and propaganda that hits at the fear centre of the brain, and bypasses all reasoning and creates opinion based on emotion - not logic.
Likewise, trying to 'educate' someone in forums like these on subjects like politics or religion are usually a complete and total waste of time.
It's like that old saying: "There's no point wrastling in the mud with a pig. You just end up all dirty - and besides - the pig likes it."
Hello Grammar,
I have to say that I was very happy to read you reply to my 'interventions' regarding the movie Remember and its singular reactionary comments (...)
You are absolutely RIGHT in saying that the NRA is nearly a government within a government. It is a nuisance, furthermore no one seems to be able to get this association under control.
I must point that I was born in France yet I have been living in the country just north of the USA for the past 20 years... I must also point out that I wouldn't go back to France where it is currently "Le Jour de la Bastille" even if you paid me. Extreme Right, white supremacists, social disorder ...and I haven't even mentioned Marine LePen!
Forgive me, I digress.
I'm also in Canada, and I find some of our Canadian documentaries excellent in illuminating some things about US politics that are never even covered in the US.
What most people are not aware is that the Republicans took over the government in, I believe it was 2010 - because the, I think mid-term elections are ignored by too many - and the twisting of the political system, and redistricting has allowed the right to almost completely stop Obama from accomplishing anything. It's been said that very much of the grab of power by the right in 2010 was due to the NRA crippling any politician who opposed them.
It's fun sometimes to see idiots here and on other forums display their ignorance, but it's disappointing to see how strongly some people cling to their opinions - and ignore again and again facts that destroy their arguments.
Examples, are supporters of Bill Cosby - who pollute this forum with DOZENS of idiot posts started to drown out all other opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias is an interesting tendency to understand, but frustrating when you see someone ignore 10 facts that disagree with their point and the cling desperately to the one unbelievable source who supports their stupid ideas.