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boing boing my friend

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Moonves is attending tapings now? :) If this were baseball, I'd say the bases are loaded and the manager is heading out to the mound. As with many manager/pitcher interactions, they might try as they can to be inscrutable, and Moonves might not be pulling him immediately, but, believe me, if he keeps failing, he's done.

As far as the rest of the article goes, the author completely misses the mark. He makes the implication that CBS hasn't been letting Stephen be himself, or the equally egregious conclusion that he hasn't been given enough time to settle in. Both are preposterous. Until Licht stepped in, Stephen had 100% creative control, and there's not a host in late night history who hasn't found their groove in 8 months.

The author, like many here, in a desperate effort to avoid the cold hard truth, is pulling theories out of his patootie. Mr. Rutenberg, the answer is staring you in the face. Just admit it, you prefer fake Stephen to the real thing, and that, when given the chance to actually be himself, he isn't someone that you (or most viewers) want to watch. The arch liberal you fell in love with was only an illusion, a facade, foisted upon a nitwit who resented the forced detour from his far more middle of the road political paradigm.

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Not saying it will happen but it took both Conan and Fallon several years to get comfortable.

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True, but prior to them both starting on "Late Night" neither had hosted a show before. Stephen has had a full decade hosting a late night show prior to this. If he can't pivot from one to other in a couple of months there's a bigger problem looming.

He had a truly unique show that no one had seen in late night TV before, but he sold out to make the same generic celebrity jerk-fest that all the networks do and now he has to shill Victoria's Secret panties and Hooter's chicken wings.

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Not saying it will happen but it took both Conan and Fallon several years to get comfortable.

Conan's not a very good example of success in this time slot. He did fine in the late-late night slot following Leno's dominating run but failed epically when he moved to the earlier slot. With his low(est) rated TBS show, he's now not even in the late night tv discussion anymore really. He's barely able to compete with Larry Wilmore and Trevor Noah. None of them are drawing audiences now...

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No, he was very poor on his late night slot for 1-3 years, depending on who you talk to, and came close to being cancelled tons of time.

But the other poster is right, Conan had about 10 minutes of TV screen time when he became host of Late Night. Fallon had done SNL for years, though, plus some (awful) films. He was also very uncomfortable as a host for quite a while and now, whatever you think of him, he's doing pretty well.

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Fallon had done SNL for years, though, plus some (awful) films. He was also very uncomfortable as a host for quite a while and now, whatever you think of him, he's doing pretty well.


I have no idea where you're getting this from. Have you watched any of the early Fallon shows? I'd be really hard pressed to think of anyone on late night (or even TV in general) who's been more consistent. He has weaknesses that drive me up a wall (like telling the same Chris Christie joke for the 1000th time and thinking it's comedy gold), but one of his biggest strengths is how comfortable he is in front of a camera- and he's had this confidence going way way back- in fact, I don't think I recall him ever lacking confidence.

Seriously, go back and watch one of his older shows. He's a carbon copy of who his is now.

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Yes, I watched him for the first week of shows, then tuned back in a couple months later, it was poor.

Where I'm getting it from? My eyes. I guess you feel different. His interview with Robert DeNiro, his first (and probably a bad choice), was not very good.

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@dvd123

The arch liberal you fell in love with was only an illusion, a facade, foisted upon a nitwit who resented the forced detour from his far more middle of the road political paradigm.


Talk about pulling theories out of a patootie! And are you really calling Colbert a nitwit? You did fail to mention a very important fact from the article--that Stephen is rated 2nd in the time slot, just like Letterman used to do (no idea if it is a "stronger" or "weaker" 2nd, maybe some of you ratings mavins can fill in with that info). NBC just seems to have the No. 1 slot tied down, no matter who is hosting it or the other shows. I don't know why that is, but I think partly it has to do with genius (Letterman, Colbert) being not as accessible to the common run of mind, which is more happy with the chummier and regular guy, like Leno or Fallon.

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Compared to everyone else, no, Stephen is not a nitwit, but compared to the character he used to play, Stephen is the biggest moron that ever lived :)

I used to think Stephen was a genius arch liberal political satirist skewering the right with a flawless blowhard republican imitation. But now I know better. Stephen is a slightly left leaning centrist of average intellect, who used to play a character that was a brilliant arch liberal playing a blowhard republican.

When he has a team of Emmy winning writers penning his every word, he's Einstein, Moses and Lenny Bruce, all wrapped into one, but the moment he started drinking the Kool Aid, buying into his own ego, and speaking his own words, all that brilliance was gone.

And he's solidly in 3rd place right now, having consistently lost to Kimmel for about a month. He's in Seth Meyers territory presently. It's still a bit too early to see what effect Licht's initial tweaks have had, but the last two weeks have been absolutely abysmal. Moonves isn't showing up because he's in the neighborhood and just felt like stopping by. He's there because Stephen is cratering.

Moonves, Licht and Colbert will go to every possible length to sanitize the message and spin this as positively as they can, but nothing changes the fact that Licht and Moonves's wouldn't even be involved if the ship wasn't sinking.

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http://www.avclub.com/article/read-8-months-stephen-colberts-late-show-tries-reb-236116

Stephen Colbert, host of CBS’ nightly chatfest The Late Show, began his latest “Wheel Of News” segment last week with this apt pronouncement: “There are so many decisions to make on a show like this.” Up until very recently, according to an article by Jim Rutenberg in The New York Times, Colbert was making too many of those decisions himself. Rutenberg writes that the host insisted on “personally orchestrating details big and small—lighting, script approval, budgets.” Now, however, CBS chairman Les Moonves has convinced Colbert to let newly hired showrunner Chris Licht, a veteran of CBS This Morning, handle that kind of thing so he can simply focus on being funny. Eight months into its run, Colbert’s Late Show is consistently running second to NBC’s The Tonight Show in the overall ratings, but ABC’s third-place Jimmy Kimmel Live! is scoring more of those coveted younger viewers than Colbert. More troubling, says Rutenberg, there is a “growing consensus that things just aren’t clicking.” In the middle of an election season ripe for satire, The Late Show has not emerged as a comedic powerhouse. Colbert’s new show is still operating in the shadow of his old one, Comedy Central’s much-missed The Colbert Report.

With Licht on board to handle the show’s day-to-day hassles, Colbert can now “concentrate on being himself.” But that, too, is a potential problem, Rutenberg writes. The comedian became a television sensation by portraying the character of a right-wing blowhard who used his show as a bully pulpit. Now, he is tasked with proving that he can carry a nightly show as himself. “The great irony,” Rutenberg says, “is that Mr. Colbert is still learning how to be himself on television after nine years of pretending to be someone else.” For now, Moonves and CBS are behind him all the way. After all, they have too much corporate pride and money tied up in The Late Show to give up on it now.


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I'm sorry, but is this how online journalism works? An article just rehashing details about another article?

is that Mr. Colbert is still learning how to be himself


Wrong. For nine months, Colbert has been nothing but himself- and audiences have clearly rejected him.

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Mr. Moonves says that his visit was a social call on a fledgling show in which he has great faith. “We each had a drink and it was nice,” he told me. “Just three guys.”


On the surface Moonves says he has great faith in the show and that is what a coach is supposed to say. Fake it till you make it. The visit and adding a show runner actions seems to say Mooonves is worried.



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