Remember when?
Building walls was a trademark of totalitarian regimes? Those were the days. Now democracies are doing it all over the place.
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Building walls was a trademark of totalitarian regimes? Those were the days. Now democracies are doing it all over the place.
Well, maybe definitions need to be updated and things that once were, are now no longer ...
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If barbarian hordes can't respect borders anymore it becomes necessary evil.
shareYou mean those "barbarian hordes" that are fleeing from wars we either started or supported?
You reap what you sow.
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90% of those hordes are men in their 20s and 30s, well fed and ready to fight. Those "refugees"?
shareIt's a mystery how someone who has rated "Grave of the fireflies" 10/10 also can spit out something as cynical, ignorant and lame as that. Where did you flush down your sense of solidarity?
shareI also rated Midnight Run high, and Stalker, but Mad Max Fury Road low. What's your point?
Solidarity doesn't reside in believing whatever the media tells you.
You choose what to believe in, and "the media" today includes biased right wing forums on the internet... Do you evaluate and source control their stories as well?
My point is that if you could can feel compassion for Setsuko and Seita you should be able to feel sympathy for people fleeing the wars in the middle east as well. What's the difference? They are people just like you.
Have you even heard of what happened in Germany on New Years Night? I think if you're one of those women, you'd think differently about those "sad little" "refugees".
shareNo, why would I?
According to your logic all young,scandinavian males with christian upbringing should be imprisoned after what Anders Breivik did.
If you want to see the picture, see the WHOLE picture not just the part that suits your own prejudism.
Thousands of "refugees" molested thousands of innocent German women in one and the same night, working together. I feel that is a bit different than the story of Anders Breivik especially since he did it in his own country.
True refugees need to be saved, of course a lot of them are refugees (like women and children) but not the savages with a totally different agenda.
Each year tens of thousands of women in Germany – or any other European country for that matter – are victims of domestic abuse and violence from males in their 20s to 40s.
Male related aggressions and violence in general is a way bigger threat to society than any "ehtnic" or "refugee" related issues.
Still, the debates keep coming back to the "refugees" – that they are the root of all evil in modern society... just like the nazis thought in 1930's Germany.
I'm interested in why this is the case... I think it is easier for us to project our own failures on other things and other people.
Nothing you say is new.
Scape goats have been used in societys for thousands of years.
all young right wing males I have met argue just as you do. They only look for flaws in others, not them selves...
90% of those hordes are men in their 20s and 30s, well fed and ready to fight. Those "refugees"?
Such "migration" creates dangerous gender imbalance in certain sections of population pyramid. It is a demographic time bomb and disaster waiting to happen.
You can't govern countries with bleeding hearts and emotions. share
If barbarian hordes can't respect borders anymore it becomes necessary evil.
That's plain nazi talk... share
There's a rather significant difference between a wall built to keep people in and one built to keep people out.
I don't know that the latter is a great idea (it depends on the wall, I suppose, and whether it's metaphorical or real), but attempting to drawi a parallel between the two types of walls seems highly problematic, at best.
Free countries don't build walls. Or lock people up without trials.
shareI agree, free countries shouldn't do that. But unfortunately countries who call themselves free, or even "the leader of the free world", do. En masse.
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The OP has it wrong, and Johnston above has it right. East Germany/Soviets built the wall to keep people in; today's Western democracies are building them to keep people out. There are millions of third world citizens who would love to bail out of their miserable living conditions, but the West needs to erect greater barriers, otherwise their ships will surely sink over time. It seems cruel on the surface, but it is an inescapable fact.
Life is a state of mind.
Building walls to shield against a perceived external existential threat is exactly how walls were motivated before. Your words might just as well have been spoken by the North Korean regime.
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Your words might just as well have been spoken by the North Korean regime.
Are there large numbers of people who want to move to North Korea, but are being kept out?
I'm not trying to make a big point about immigration here. Just noting that the OP is drawing a very faulty analogy between two things that could scarcely have less to do with one another. share
No, but the outside world is perceived as an existential threat which the people of North Korea have to be shielded from.
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What does that have to do with the prior poster's words? I'm not seeing any words in his post that might be said by North Korea, except as a joke or ridiculously counter-factual claim.
shareThen I suggest you read it again.
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Done. Not seeing it.
The poster asserted that Western democracies need to have barriers to immigration, because otherwise a vast tide of immigrants from third world countries would overwhelm them. How North Korea could say that is beyond me. About itself, I mean: I suppose they might say it about Western democracies.
Build bridges instead of walls. . . ..
shareThen you're not as smart as I thought.
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