Except the part where American propaganda takes it over.
Applying Waterboard in Iraq is still hot. Yet, in the movie, USA is shown as an angel compared so USSR. Pls.
I think a big part of why it's a great movie is that it shows the flaw in American propaganda.
shareI think this is foreshadowing the US losing its moral compass in the post 9/11 era...although clearly there are already some problems in this era (the judges rulings to obtain a quick clean conviction).
shareApplying Waterboard in Iraq is still hot. Yet, in the movie, USA is shown as an angel compared so USSR. Pls.
after reading this I did a little research - they certainly didn't treat him very well - and he certainly wasn't waterboarded: they were tossing water on him as part of sleep deprivation (although some would consider sleep deprivation torture)But I agree that the contrast between the American's civilized treatment of Abel and the very rough handling of Powers was part of the propaganda underlying the film
shareafter reading this I did a little research - they certainly didn't treat him very well
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The US also has a long track record of brutality. [...] The difference lies in that the US, however flawed, has moved forward.
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Who the victims were had very little to do with their nationality, and everything to do with (not) being an obedient servant of the communist political system.
That is just not true.
From Yuri Slezkine's "Jewish Century":
"By 1934, when the OGPU was transformed into the NKVD, Jews `by nationality' constituted the largest single group among the `leading cadres' of the Soviet secret police (37 Jews, 30 Russians, 7 Latvians, 5 Ukrainians, 4 Poles, 3 Georgians, 3 Byelorussians, 2 Germans, and 5 assorted others)." (p. 221). "In January 1937, on the eve of the Great Terror, the 111 top NKVD officials included 42 Jews, 35 Russians, 8 Latvians, and 26 others." (p. 254).
I'm not sure what you think the involvement of Jews in Stalinist purges has to do with Nobody-27's false claim that "most communist leaders in Soviet Union were NOT Russians".
But since you brought it up, the man responsible for the worst of the purges, head of the NKVD Nikolai Yezhov, was Russian, an inconvenient fact you attempted to deny in your other post.
In fact so terrible are the Russian's crimes, the bloody period is actually named after him, Yezhovshchina.
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Let's assume for a moment that you are right in that Stalin was not Jewish. How would that mistake prove that someone is an anti-semite? What if I mistakenly said he was polish or catholic, or whatever, would that also make me an anti-semite?
his middle name "judashwilli"
recognition of Israel before any other country did so
The point was that he was definitely not Russian and Russia has nothing to do with his mistakes
Stalin, Jewish or not, was not Russian but Georgian
He killed more Russians that any others.
If there's a reason other than anti-Semitism for someone who hates Stalin to make the nonsensical claim that Stalin was Jewish - which absolutely nobody in history, including Hitler himself, has ever claimed - then let's hear it.
So what? Hitler was not German. Who's disputing that? What relevance does it have? How is it important?
Claiming, without a shred of evidence, he killed more Russians than anyone else (while simultaneously claiming hardly any Russians were part of the Soviet system) is also pointless, particularly when - in the real world of facts and reality - the one and only country in the world where Stalin enjoys massive popularity is Russia.
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It's always better to laugh than to weep, so let's say your writing is simply laughable.
A "UNION", really? Just like Zhirinovsky's party is "liberal and democratic".
Only one point : in your mind (and you're far from being alone), there seem to have been two Stalins : the filthy Georgian who killed millions, and the great Russian hero who thrashed Hitler.
Oomph.
100 million people were genocided in North and South America to make room for Western European racists. The worst slaughter in history, unsurpassed even by the Nazis, who it inspired. It's hard to imagine an atrocity that comes close. Maybe slavery.
So the two worst crimes in the history of the world: Made in America.
Since then you have spent your time murdering millions more, around the globe. The list of US atrocities is almost endless, so here's a very short version:
o You're the only country to have nuked another country even after witnessing the horrors that an atom bomb inflicts.
o You are responsible for three million deaths in Vietnam, while attempting to suppress Vietnamese freedom from imperialism.
o You dropped over two million tons of bombs on tiny Laos; that's one ton of bombs for every man, woman and child in that country.
o You carpet bombed Cambodia, causing its take over by the Khmer Rouge, which proceeded to systematically exterminate 20% of the Cambodian population.
o When the Soviet-backed Vietnamese invaded Cambodia to stop the Khmer Rouge slaughter, the USA supported the Khmer Rouge mass murderers as the legitimate representative of Cambodia in the UN, right up until the 1990s.
o You supported racist, Apartheid South Africa, probably because it reminded you of racist, Apartheid 1960s America; the Soviets were on the side of freedom.
o You forced the USSR into Afghanistan by arming fundamentalist terrorists who dragged the country into the stone age and blew up the World Trade Center.
o You killed half a million Iraqi children with sanctions, and countless more in your invasions and atrocities after 9/11.
o You provided air support to Al Qaeda in Libya, turning one of the most progressive, modern and advanced countries in Africa into a bloodbath.
o You arm and train ISIS against the legitimate government of Syria, and you went apeshíť when Russia started bombing your loony, fundamentalist terrorist allies.
Some quotes from your hero Presidents:
Racist, genocidal general, George Washington:
"The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more."
Racist slave owner, Thomas Jefferson:
"If we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe, we will never lay it down until that tribe is exterminated"
Racist white supremacist Abraham Lincoln:
"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races
Racist KKK member, Harry Truman:
"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s not a ni**er or a Chinaman"
As if all that wasn't bad enough (and that is just the tip of the iceberg), the USA actually has a national holiday to celebrate one of the most inhuman psychopaths of all time, mass murderer, rapist, child sex trafficker and father of the slave trade, Christopher Columbus.
100 million people were genocided in North and South America to make room for Western European racists. The worst slaughter in history, unsurpassed even by the Nazis, who it inspired. It's hard to imagine an atrocity that comes close. Maybe slavery.
It was disease that devasteted the population of Americas after the contact.
After reading your posts, I have never been so proud to be an American!
I would say my memory is not what it used to be. But I don't remember what my memory used to be.
Ah yes, the old chestnut that helps you sleep at night (on the bones of your 100 million victims), that you were just a bunch of friendly voyagers (who happened to be armed to the teeth) and oops, people started dropping like flies due to bad hygeine. Textbook holocaust denial.
At which point did you notice your presence was causing monumental amounts of death? 10 million, 50 million, or when virtually nobody was left? Apparently you thought the remedy was to not go back home and leave the native population in peace and prosperity, but instead to bring even more weapons, ships and diseased soldiers to rape, murder and pillage your way through their land.
How sickening that you actually have such a banal, harmless word, "contact", to describe the initial stage of what is by far the most diabolical genocide and land grab in history.
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Anyone catch the contradiction between:
You supported racist, Apartheid South Africa, probably because it reminded you of racist, Apartheid 1960s America; the Soviets were on the side of freedom.
You killed half a million Iraqi children with sanctions, and countless more in your invasions and atrocities after 9/11.
Anyone catch the contradiction between:
You supported racist, Apartheid South Africa, probably because it reminded you of racist, Apartheid 1960s America; the Soviets were on the side of freedom.and
You killed half a million Iraqi children with sanctions, and countless more in your invasions and atrocities after 9/11.Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?
Actually, its a dictionary definition of "contradiction", or in your case, hypocrisy.
The world fought apartheid through sanctions. If you believe otherwise, you are not only living in your own world, but your own universe.
Yet your hysterical "you killed half a million Iraqi children with sanctions" would seem to condemn sanctions. You are talking out of both sides of your big mouth.
The worst part of this agit-prop is that the "you" on your part would seem to be directed solely against Americans, when in fact, the sanctions were put in place by the United Nations.
United Nations Security Council resolution 661 was passed by a vote of 13 voted for, none against, 2 abstentions. As a bonus bit of your hypocrisy, the USSR voted FOR.
BTW, the half million figure was direct Iraqui propaganda, and was retracted:
I, with others reported the results of a child mortality and nutrition survey I jointly conducted in Baghdad, in August, 1995, as a member of a mission sponsored by the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations (FAO). Because of the high level of child mortality, I took part in a follow-up mission to Iraq, in April, 1996, with the Center for Economic and Social Rights (CESR), a non-governmental organisation. The mortality rates estimated in 1996 were much lower than those reported in 1995, for unknown reasons.
The world fought apartheid through sanctions. If you believe otherwise, you are not only living in your own world, but your own universe.
Yet your hysterical "you killed half a million Iraqui children with sanctions" would seem to condemn sanctions. You are talking out of both sides of your big mouth.
The worst part of this agit-prop is that the "you" on your part would seem to be directed solely against Americans, when in fact, the sanctions were put in place by the United Nations.
BTW, the half million figure was direct Iraqui propaganda, and was retracted:
Is your entire education from a cached version of Wikipedia?
Reagan, Thatcher and Israel were not categorical supporters of Apartheid South Africa. Israel even tried to supply its best buddy with nuclear weapons.
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Ah yes, it was the UN, not the US. Because we all know the enormous diplomatic and economic pressure the likes of Cote d'Ivoire, Ethiopia and Zaire can exert on other countries to use against their sworn enemy Iraq.
I don't see Madeleine Albright challenging the figure in the notorious 60 Minutes interview. In fact I'm pretty sure that far from challenging it, she categorically said that number of dead children was "worth it".
Thanks. It's always hilarious when idiots inadvertently expose the fact that all they do is search Wikipedia for answers, such as the link and quote you used:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#cite_note-42
Here's something else you can Google an answer to: How to correctly spell the word Iraqi.
That you retain a great deal of venom for America, Britain and Israel, but none for Russia or China tells us everything about you we need to know about how you operate.
The Lancet published an incorrect number, she was interviewed, gave an admittedly optically bad reply, then the Lancet corrected its numbers.
I work in the health research sector and I have access to every medical journal and its archives.
Wow, a typo flame.
BTW, "genocided" is not a word at all
Who is "us" and "we"? You and the voices in your head?
since you believe 500,000 is incorrect, what is the correct number?
I work in the health research sector and I have access to every medical journal and its archives.
LOL I genuinely burst out laughing at this one.
Wow, a typo flame.
Yes, a "typo" you made repeatedly, failing to spell it correctly even once, despite the country being front page news for the past 25 years and despite the correct spelling being in the very post you replied to.
Holy crap... I thought it couldn't get any funnier, but I just checked your post again and you've actually gone to the trouble to edit out all but one instance of it just to pretend it was a typo. You do realize that everyone can see when you edited your post, right, and that the mistakes you're trying to hide are still quoted in my post?
BTW, "genocided" is not a word at all
And to cap it all you spend hours of your time trawling through every one of my epic masterpieces just to make the same kind of flame you pretended was beneath you.
Not relevant to the discussion
Its called "the internet" and "corporate site license".
Yes, when an obvious error is pointed out, I edit. I missed one of my two typos.
Your use of "genocided" stuck out the first time I read it.
and not knowing a language very well but pretending to do so
BTW, I've intentionally made a few typos in this post, so knock yourself out.
both those countries have a dark side in history. the end. this isn't a witch hunt, this is a board to discuss the movie "bridge of spies"
but here you are with your whataboutisms like some *beep* kid, spamming these boards with conveniently deformed lists of facts about the US's atrocities.
you blame the movie for not being impartial, and you're doing the same thing here.
you're blaming the movie for its US propaganda, while clearly being the victim of russian propaganda yourself.
you're a fool and a shill, and you don't even realize it.
go back to youtube's RT channel with the other idiots.
Wow, so many lies and half-truths here:
You're the only country to have nuked another country even after witnessing the horrors that an atom bomb inflicts.
You are responsible for three million deaths in Vietnam, while attempting to suppress Vietnamese freedom from imperialism.
You dropped over two million tons of bombs on tiny Laos:
You carpet bombed Cambodia, causing its take over by the Khmer Rouge
You forced the USSR into Afghanistan by arming fundamentalist terrorists who dragged the country into the stone age and blew up the World Trade Center.
You supported racist, Apartheid South Africa, probably because it reminded you of racist, Apartheid 1960s America; the Soviets were on the side of freedom.
You provided air support to Al Qaeda in Libya, turning one of the most progressive, modern and advanced countries in Africa into a bloodbath.
You arm and train ISIS against the legitimate government of Syria
and you went apeshíť when Russia started bombing your loony, fundamentalist terrorist allies.
Because that other country still refused to stop the war they were causing ever after the first one.
The REAL imperialists were the communists.
North Vietnam was backing the Khmer Rouge before then
The Soviets forced themselves into Afghanistan because the people refused communist rule, and Al-Qaida didn't even exist until they were ready to leave.
Any support we had for South Africa was limited, and only because they opposed communism.
We supported REAL freedom fighters in Libya, which WAS NOT "progressive" at all under Col. Gadhafi.
We supported the Free Syrian Army, not ISIS, or Al-Qaida, or any other jihadist group. And the Syrian government is far from legitimate.
Boris Yeltsin had the same attitude towards the Balkans. They were only allies of Serbia because they were their allies before the Bolshevik Revolution. Who cared if they were on a Nazi-style genocidal rampage against Slovenes, Croats, Bosnians, and Kosovars? Not Yeltsin.
You act like they were at the gates of the White House, when by the time of Hiroshima they were on their knees offering (via the USSR which was not yet at war with them) surrender terms.
The USA killed all those civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki for one reason only: as a warning to Stalin.
Ah okay, the real imperialists in Vietnam were the Vietnamese,
You keep repeating this nonsense, with nothing to back it up.
Then you're going to have to explain how the country Gaddafi turned from one of the poorest in Africa into the richest in Africa,...
What nonsense. What the USA did in Afghanistan in the 70s (before the Soviets even invaded) and 80s would be akin to Russia arming the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico with sophisticated military grade weapons specifically to murder Americans and blow American aircraft out of the sky.
There's no such thing as the "Free Syrian Army" outside of absurd CIA propaganda that everyone but the most gullible shill for the US Government finds laughable.
There is the legitimate, established Government of Syria,
like the USA's buddies the Khmer Rouge - want to take Syria back to the stone age.
Yeltsin was a drunken puppet of the USA and thieving Western-backed oligarchs.
And you really want to bring up even more examples of US/NATO war crimes in support of Islamic fundamentalist criminals?
After the fall of Communism, and with a pro-US dictator in the Kremlin, the USA had free rein to break Yugoslavia apart;
On their knees? Not really. They were refusing to surrender. The military was ready to arrest the emperor for trying to surrender on any terms.
No, idiot! The communists! The Sino-Soviet puppet dictatorship who stole the anti-colonial revolution from the Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Hmong, and Montagnards, and spent the post-WW2 era and post-colonial era forcing them to accept communist tyranny!
He did no such thing.
It's more like helping the French resist the Third Reich
and this WAS NOT before the Soviets invaded the country
That's a FLAT OUT LIE, moron! You just want to PRETEND there's no such thing, because you want to de-legitimize them.
They're another state sponsor of terrorism, who want to take over Lebanon and Israel and make it part of "Southern Syria."
They have given safe haven to the Hezbollah.
And the war crimes were carried out by BELGRADE, not the US or NATO.
THEY were the ones gunning down any ethnic group that didn't want to be part of a "Greater Serbia,"
and locking people in cattle cars to deliver them to concentration camps, not us.
The US had NOTHING to do with Yugoslavia breaking apart
The military wasn't even capable of doing such a thing, which is demonstrated by the fact that they didn't do so.
France, USA, Australia, New Zealand = invaders from thousands of miles away.
Only an idiot can fail to understand and accept who the imperialists are here.
Of course he did. Any half-second Google will show it.
Osama Bin Laden and his gang were as brave and justified as the French resistance? Some interesting opinions you have.
The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention.
Meanwhile, outside of upside down world, it's Israel that occupies parts of Lebanon and Syria.
Hezbollah is a very popular political party in Lebanon. Why would it need a "safe haven" any more than, say, the Republican or Democratic parties would?
Why does NATO even exist? Wasn't its supposed raison d'etre the Warsaw Pact, which collapsed a mere quarter of a century ago?
Of course, the only side to behave badly were Serbs, totally out of the blue against tree hugging Croatians and Muslims.
Also pretty rich when the USA has been running a concentration camp on stolen Cuban territory for 15 years, torturing and murdering innocent people there and around the world in euphemistically titled "black sites".
What was the point then, for example, of the section of bill 101-513 in 1990, economically sanctioning Yugoslavia unless it was effectively broken apart?
They most certainly were capable, and were ready to do just that.
You forgot about the Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, etc. who were being SLAUGHTERED by the "red corner."
No, the idiots are the ones who fail to recognize the communists are the imperialists, because they were backed by the Soviets, Red Chinese, Warsaw Pact, and later Cuba!
Here's what he REALLY turned Libya into:
https://archive.org/details/gov.archives.arc.1663432
How the *beep* are you coming up with that *beep*
Against a SOVIET PUPPET DICTATORSHIP that took over the country.
The Israelis left the southern Lebanon security Zone in 2000
Bashar's dad rejected the PLO.
Nothing to do with Yugoslavia, moron.
Which obviously explains why they didn't.
You seem to keep forgetting the people in the "red corner" were natives of those countries, not foreigners from thousands of miles away who thought (and still think) Asia should be owned by them.
It was not the Soviets, Red Chinese, Warsaw Pact and Cuba who used the equivalent of 640 Hiroshima-sized atom bombs during the Vietnam War
LOL A CIA propaganda video?
Pretty hilarious that it highlights Gadaffi's supposed financing of the IRA, when the people who supported the IRA more than anyone else were Americans.
Perhaps because you said the USA arming, training and funding terrorists in Afghanistan (of which Bin Laden is the most famous) was like, and I quote, "helping the French resist the Third Reich".
So if the Government of a country on the border with the Soviet Union is pro-Soviet Union, that justifies the USA supplying weaponry to terrorists there? Nope. Not according to any sane, rational person, it doesn't.
No, Israel continues to occupy the Lebanese Shebaa farms territory.
I don't know why you're repeatedly trying bring up the PLO and Palestinians into a discussion about Lebanon, Israel and Syria (perhaps you simply don't know the difference),
So, in typical thick American style, you don't let having zero clue about a subject prevent you mouthing off about it.
The only reason we used those bombs was because the Soviets, Red Chinese, Warsaw Pact and Cuba was aiding the North Vietnamese and their guerillas in a campaign to wipe out millions of Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, etcetera, in the name of communism. THEY were the imperialists, not us!
The only reason [Gadaffi] wasn't able to do it in the 1990's was because the Soviets didn't exist to do so anymore, and the political tide in the Middle East was turning against his and any other brand of "Socialist Muslim" dictatorships.
Because the IRA has legitimate grievances against the British Crown
They [Bin Laden and friends] weren't terrorists.
No, I actually DID look it up, and it involved the potential normalizing of relations with communist Vietnam.
Meanwhile, outside of upside down world, it's Israel that occupies parts of Lebanon and Syria.
"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956
"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat
Am I supposed to know what a bunch of (unsourced/made up) quotes about Palestine that you copied and pasted from someone who himself copied and pasted them from somewhere else has to do with what I wrote (hint: which had nothing to do with Palestine)?
shareThese aren't unsourced. They're part of actual history that you communist sympathizers and Arab-zealot friends like to over look in order to blame all the problems of the Middle East on Israel.
I thought you were going to say "except for the sappy ending"
shareAny of you complaining about waterboarding or other forms of torture: did you enjoy Laim Neeson's first Taken?
shareAccording to an unknown email, Americans have killed at least 5 million Martians and destroyed all lunatic life. On the other hand, Russians (or Soviets) have destroyed all hobbits and dwarfs living underneath the crust peacefully for centuries.
Some reports show that Martians were being severely tortured by American troops.
When the soviets arrived there, they found thousands of castrated Martians deprived of gonads.
However, Americans found hundreds of baboons who were tortured and raped by soviets when they invaded Saturn.
Americans always claim that all reports regarding the mistreatment of other nations by the Americans are nothing but propaganda.
An unknown source has confirmed reports from unknown source that the world with these two monsters will soon be destroyed.
Many nations are now willing to honor the late German ruler, viz., Hitler by giving him an RPA, the Relative Peace Award. Among those willing to do this, are, Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis, Sudanese, Cubans, Philistines, and many African and Arab nations.