Ep15: "rape therapy" I freaking love Jay
and don't mess with his mom.
8.5/10 for the episode.
I love Jay, but his self-destructive behavior is hard to watch. His mother was right about not being able to be around him when he keeps getting high and wasted.
shareAlso not a big fan of his self-destructive behavior.That should stop now cause he going to have a rematch with Ryan,and when he trains he is a good boy.
sharelol, well she's probably the worst person to give him that lecture. I'm sure he learned his damage from her.
"She hasn't even read the books..." - OursIsTheQueenInTheNorth
Except she's actually doing something now to fix her addiction. Jay wants her to be healthy, but he does keep the temptations around the house (when she was gone, fine, but now she's home yet he's still getting high). Just because she is an addict doesn't excuse his behavior or remove the truth from what she's trying to address.
shareIt sounds like you might have missed the part where Jay already got her clean once and she became an addict again anyway. It's hypocritical for her to blame it on him when he is capable of functioning in whatever life he has and she isn't.
shareWell, she's an addict so her reasoning is never going to be sound (sorry to any addict out there, but it's true for many of them). Regardless of her relapses, there is truth to what she said. He did help her get clean the first time around, sure. But being around Jay and his proclivities probably didn't help her sustain her rehabilitation. Hence the need to get clean. Notice how much better she did when she wasn't around him most of the time? So Jay can royally eff himself up but because of Christina's history she cannot say something? You might as well go tell some addict counselors and sobriety coaches to quit their jobs when they've likely gone through addictions, too.
And Jay isn't functional when he's that messed up. See episode 2.16. Or the previous one where he likely would've killed that guy (or beat him within an inch of his life) had Christina not been around. Jay cuts the world out when he's high or wasted. Being a functional addict is not a good thing regardless of what hipsters and high powered business people want us to think.
Just because she is an addict doesn't excuse his behavior or remove the truth from what she's trying to address.
That's true but just because she's finally getting clean now (after what? A couple decades?) doesn't really negate that she's the last person that should be lecturing anyone about drug use. Jay may have a problem but he didn't abandon two children, whore himself for drugs for years and even continue to screw up his children's lives. Jay's addiction problems are no doubt due to her and how much she screwed them up. His current spin is no doubt in part due to her presence and interference in his life currently. So really, she's got some nerve attempting moral high ground now when she's a big source of his problems. And yes, he shouldn't have drugs around a recovering junkie but then she shouldn't be living with her adult sons either. She's inappropriate.
"She hasn't even read the books..." - OursIsTheQueenInTheNorth share
You can only blame your parents so much for your problems. Jay's issues are his, and they were likely worsened by Christina's drama. But they're still his problems and it's his life and choice to do what he wants. He chooses to do this regardless of knowing how it affects someone (he knows it firsthand). Christina screwed up her rehab the first time by living with Jay (did she even ask to move in, or did Jay make her move in? He did force a withdraw on her so it probably was a result of that). She got a lot better after moving out - why? Jay is an enabler despite his best intentions. Yeah, Christina has no right to tell her son what to do because of her history and how it affected her children. But is she wrong? Objectively that is. No. Jay is screwing his life up, and he's actually as much of a hypocrite as Christina is. I love Jay, but he and Christina together is a toxic combination. At least she is saying something whereas Alvey and Nate are just too much of wusses to do anything about it.
shareYou can only blame your parents so much for your problems. Jay's issues are his
Disagree. Jay's issues are his genetics and modeled behavior by his parents, as well as Christina's continued selfish behavior.
Christina screwed up her rehab the first time by living with Jay
She also screwed up her in-treatment rehab by banging her counselor.
She got a lot better after moving out - why? Jay is an enabler despite his best intentions.
When? She kept going back to the drugs and when Jay, poor as he is, spent money to put her in rehab, she seduced her counselor to get special treatment. Jay hasn't enabled her. He's the only reason she got clean. Yeah, he's been insensitive by keeping drugs around to do himself but he hasn't enabled her at all.
But is she wrong? Objectively that is. No.
No, she's absolutely right. I'm just saying of all people to climb on that shaky soapbox, she's wobbly af.
"She hasn't even read the books..." - OursIsTheQueenInTheNorth share