I can't even say she's been a neutral part of their lives like other dead beat parents. Every since she came back around, it's a constant trauma they have to deal with. Now Jay is pushed out of his own house and she's bringing in junkies to rob, and potentially harm, her other son. She's just awful.
"She hasn't even read the books..." - OursIsTheQueenInTheNorth
She also kept Jay from killing her would be rapist even though he kind of deserved it.
shareA situation he was in because of her.
"She hasn't even read the books..." - OursIsTheQueenInTheNorth
The situation he was in because of her
No means no. But she was using and manipulating him with sex.
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Right. She doesn't deserve to be raped but she preyed on him, manipulating him for special treatment and discarded him. He's a psycho, she's a parasite.
"She hasn't even read the books..." - OursIsTheQueenInTheNorth
She doesn't deserve to be raped but
The counselor is deplorable, but her manipulating him would and should never be cause for his actions.
but blaming her solely for Jay's behavior is kind of giving her more credit than she deserves.
Alvey was a deadbeat dad for Jay and he left her with Christina a lot. WHich is prolly why he is so *beep* up. He prolly tried a bit with Nate, but I feel like Nate was really raised by Jay and Lisa (who was Ryan's gf then) while Alvey was busy concentrating on Ryan.
I was wondering if I'd missed their backstories. I assumed Christina took off pretty early on, no? Alvey seems like a shit dad that's always been a shit dad. Jay has mentioned Lisa was his only good "parent," or something like that, so I was wondering how long she's been in his life. They can't be that much different in age.
"She hasn't even read the books..." - Elliot_Alderson
Personally, I think Alvey not being around much was what prolly contributed to Christina's addiction and wh0r!ng... not saying, Alvey had is fully to blame, but it must have contributed in some ways.
I think Lisa was around a lot... especially, since both Jay and Nate are so close to her. Maybe even Alvey saw her a surrogate mother to his kids, which probably is why he got together with her after Ryan went to prison, in spite of himself being uncomfortable of their age/class difference (he repeatedly talks about Roxanne is the right/appropriate age for him). I think he meant it in that restaurant that he/gym can't function without Lisa, even though he took money from her dad to leave her.
I think Alvey is the kind of man who thinks that giving his sperm means his job is done, and raising etc is a woman's job. I have no doubt, if this baby had been born, he would've checked out of here as well... I mean, he himself admitted as much during one of "me-vacations."
Good insights! I agree that Alvey was a can't be bothered dad and had no interest in Lisa's baby. I think she knew that too and that's why she didn't want to raise it with him.
"She hasn't even read the books..." - Elliot_Alderson
She needs to get killed off
shareI liked her character in the first season cause it showed that despite how screwed up people thought he was, Jay had a purpose that he refused to fail with. Her character has since really fell into the shadows though the last season. I feel like Mac is a more important character sometimes than her.
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