season 2
Anyone else watching season 2? I'm nearly finished episode 11. Once I finish all the episodes I will post my thoughts in this thread.
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im in love with the 2nd season so far im on episode 4 now and it is sooooo much better then the first
you have to ask yourself are you a fighter, or are you zombie food
I'm only on 2nd episode and I'm laughing my head off!!! So freakin funny!
shareI binge-watched all the episodes today, and absolutely loved it! I think it was better then Season 1, and I LOVED Season 1! Can't wait for Season 3!
shareLike you I binge watched the entire season today. It was absolutely great and was even better than season one. The final episode was priceless!
Yes!!! I will finish the season today and I am just about to watch epi 6, which looks great! I think its better than season 1 as well!!! Just think how great season 3 will be!!!
Wait! Wait! Where are you going? I was gonna make Espresso!
I'm on epi 6 as well and I'm loving this season! I may like this season better than last season. I've enjoyed watching these two become friends.
shareI think it is better than season 1 and I too, loved them becoming friends. Also, the supporting cast is growing into their own too!
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I laughed so hard at both eps of seas 2 I had tears in my eyes!!! And I too thought season 1 was wonderful! So S-2 is NOT a disappointment at all. And I see nothing wrong with the supporting cast. I don't even understand how anyone can criticize something like that. They're all fine actors. Some people just gotta gripe I guess. But, this show is awesome! Jane and Lily are outstanding!!!!!
shareI'm a few episodes into it. The dialogue is tighter than ever! It's got me cracking up, often. The characters are really fully developed and settled in, in a way I'm not sure they were in the first season. This is some good stuff!
"Our daughter has been abducted by one of these beige lunatics."
I am not liking this season. Even from the trailer, I knew I was right. The tone of the show from the first is completely gone (even the color scheme; it's way too bright).
I am getting annoyed with Frankie now. She is so whiny this season. Some of the stuff she does is completely out of character (right off the back rude to Brianna asking her for 9 million dollars and wouldn't stop saying like a spoiled brat in a candy store, What did Brianna ever do to her?) as to Grace's character. Her aloofness is insufferable and the show tries too hard with puns and clapbacks. Lily Tomlin face/big ass (fore)head arks me now.
The whole heart attack Robert shtick was unnecessary. Him waking up and saying delirious stuff was so cringy and again, out of character along with him acting like he doesn't know Sol is obvious lying, eating string cheese right in front of him. His character is somewhat suppose to be like Grace. And that whole Berta/Jean shet. (sighs) I would be really surprised if this gets a 3rd season.
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Glad I wasn't the only one annoyed/perplexed by the *new* Frankie. Maybe I missed it, but I was shocked when Grace said it had been a year... so did Grace get thw townhouse & she's just letting Frankie live with her?
shareI didn't see a *new* Frankie; she is still the eccentric old hippy that has no clue about the real world or finances because Saul handled everything. She and Saul were never as financially secure as Grace and Robert and now that reality is settling in.
As far as her interactions with Brianna, they were great on so many levels. Brianna is the spoiled bitch that has an unrealistic view of her own worth. So does Frankie. But that unrealistic view of value is coming from two different perspectives.
As far as the year, most of that year took place in season one. There were several time jumps over the course of the first 13 episodes. This season starts the next morning after the end of season one.
As far as the houses, Grace ended up with beach house, Frankie ended up with her and Saul's house, and Robert and Saul ended up with Robert and Grace's house. Frankie could never live in her house again so she moved into the beach house. Last season ended with Frankie and Saul selling their house, meeting to move out of the house, and subsequently sleeping together. Also what came out during season one was that Frankie and Saul did not own as big of a share of the beach house as Frankie had thought.
I think this season is great and I love how they have further fleshed out the main characters, and especially the supporting characters.
Brianna may be spoiled but she isn't a brat. Now Frankie's the brat in this season. She has been nothing but rude to Brianna. Maybe it's something I missed but I don't see why she acts that way towards her. She's so childish. Ugh, I really couldn't stand her this season. Honesty, watching this as been a chore. I barely laughed and it's not enjoyable for me anymore.
I also find the kissing scenes to be cringy and quite gross and I don't have problems with gay people kissing. It's just the fact that they are all so old and they do those old 1800s kissing scene where they only move their necks left and right. That love making scene between Grace and Phil...where's that barf emoticon...
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I never said she was a brat, I said she was a bitch. Grace paired up Frankie and Brianna in this business deal as a way of helping her friend, but also to help her daughter who was driving the business Grace had created into the ground.
It's just the fact that they are all so old and they do those old 1800s kissing scene where they only move their necks left and right. That love making scene between Grace and Phil...where's that barf emoticon...
I didn't see anything wrong with the scenes, nor did I find them barf emoting; however, I am watching this show with senior citizen eyes. share
Bitch, brat - tomato, tamato. Same difference.
Grace paired up Frankie and Brianna in this business deal as a way of helping her friend, but also to help her daughter who was driving the business Grace had created into the ground.
Actually, Grace didn't do anything but hand Frankie's lube to Brianna as an attempt to get back into her company. Understandably, she said no. Brianna then met up with her team to come up with new ideas, she pulled the lube out. Brianna didn't have to include Frankie. She could have lied and said she made the lube or her mom did. She has been nothing but nice to Frankie and included her in very bit of process. Frankie wanted to be taken seriously but doesn't read the contract unless she gets angry and wants to back out. They even smoked weed together before. Which is why I said it was completely out of character for her to be rude right off the bat. Like a spoiled bitch.
I know her character is eccentric but this season made it seem like, to me, something is mentally wrong with her which is a vibe I didn't catch last season.
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To me it seemed very much the other way 'round. Last season Brianna was easily my favorite of the kids. This season she was so rude and dismissive to Frankie I almost stopped liking her.
And no, she couldn't "just lie." There are laws about that. And where are your ethics?
"Our daughter has been abducted by one of these beige lunatics."
Tell me a scene where she unwarranted rudeness towards Frankie?
And no, she couldn't "just lie." There are laws about that. And where are your ethics?
That was my point. The OP I was replying to said she was a bitch. If she was a bitch, then she could have lied and said it was hers but she didn't. She included Frankie in the necessary process, was patient with her and with her demands, accepted her demands and didn't even try to lowball her final terms. Frankie "I want 9 million dollars" Bergstein was the bitch. Period.
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Wow. You're a really nasty person. No wonder you thought Brianna's behavior was okay.
It was the whole entire time they dealt with each other, not just one thing. Like your attitude. Grace called her out on it very effectively in the final episode. She hadn't even seen most of it, but she knows her daughter, all right.
I'm going to put you on Ignore now, until I forget why you're there, so I don't have to see any more of your rude, entitled, demanding, immature, bratty posts.
"Our daughter has been abducted by one of these beige lunatics."
WTF?
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Also, if they had toked more together this season they wouldn't have had the business friction. They would have smoked some Sativa and worked it out.
shareI'm still waiting for someone, who won't freak out like that idiot up top, to tell me when was Brianna ever rude to Frankie. The "business friction" was the result of Frankie acting like a child. The first thing she said when Brianna wanted to meet with her is, "I want 9 million dollars." I don't care if you don't have a financial education (which she does because she does her and Sol's taxes which may not be lot but it's still shows she's not a complete idiot) you don't come to a business deal demanding ridiculous sh** like that. That makes you look like an a-hole. All she needed was an apple.
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Just finished the second season. Loved it. Found the children much more watchable this season and Frankie and Grace's relationship just gets better.
I do agree I find Sol and Robert's kissing/touching can feel a bit forced at times though, seems kind of like Martin Sheen isn't really that comfortable with it, but maybe he's playing it like that as you sense he was meant to be the more repressed of the two anyway.
Roll on season 3
I'm an aging hippie like Frankie. I hope I never come across as irritating as she does. She was so annoying in the driver's license episode that if I were Grace I would have punched her out (not all old hippies are passive and chronically stoned). If the writers don't tone down her ridiculous behavior I'll have to stop watching, which would be a shame. The show is really quite good despite her bullsh_t.
share100% agreed. I'd like to be an aging hippie one day too. I'm only 22. I have a looong way to go lol.
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I'd like to be an aging hippie one day too. I'm only 22. I have a looong way to go lol.
That explains why you identify more with Brianna, she is closer to your age.
When it comes to being an aging or old hippie, I am already there. Even though I am retired from a professional career, my inner identity for 47 years has been as a hippie. That is why I identify more with Frankie's viewpoint, she is just a few years older than me. Trust me, I know a lot of Frankie's out there.
I can now see why some of the things with this season were cringe-worthy to you. I have a 21 year old grandson that doesn't want to think of his parents having sex, let alone his grandmother and I.
The topics addressed this season have been great for those of us that are aging. And the acting is not over the top, nor is it cringy,it is very accurate. I have friends that have had heart attacks, and I have had a different type of cardiac event. The thing I appreciated this season is how accurate they were, including Robert when he woke up after bypass surgery.
As far as Waterson, he did have a mild stroke 2 years ago. Some of what we see is the lingering affects of his stroke, but even more so, it is the fact that he is an incredible actor. All of them are.
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I don't identify more with Brianna. I just like how funny and gracefully snappy she is. They're not even in my age group which is (what I believe) 20-25. I don't know how old the kids are but I would think they are somewhere between 28-35. The actor is 34 I think so yeah...she definitely not in her 20's.
And yes, I do agree that is the reason the kissing/love-making scenes were not so pleasant to watch for me. The only scene that was hot was the convict and Grace.
I agree. The actors play their characters very well and made them believable. I just have a problem with Lily's character. Not the actor. I never said the acting is over the top...I also said nothing to you about Sol's character or his health. So not sure what that last paragraph is about.
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The whole delirious stuff actually is a real effect after heart surgery. My dad did that same thing as well and it was weird and way worse. I have other male heart surgery patients and they have also acted somewhat odd afterwards. My mom often thought it had to do with the medication or something. When he did that, I almost started crying it was so real to me.
BUT, the thing I dislike about this is Sam Waterston. I don't know if something is wrong with him or the acting is off. Sometimes he acts brain damaged unfortunately, like he had a stroke in real life and is still fighting to gain back all his faculties. Same as in Season 1 but even more so. I watch him and say to myself - that's why statins can be bad for you. The weird brows, the childishness, the silliness, and ultimately the selfishness, maybe the beginnings of dementia/alzheimers and is that written in the script our is it real?
And Frankie, you are right, she acts like an idiot half the time. So essentially the only one who's mental capacity or health is not going down the tubes fast is Gracie, I guess a lesson in staying fit all one's life. But my mom is 79, and yes, while the neuropathy socks were hilarious because as you get older, you get weird pains everywhere especially when lying down, and obviously the writers have taken into account lots of older issues. But to act like such an imbecile that Frankie does, that sounds more like heading into dementia territory than real life. If that's the case I am ready to jump ship from this show, it isn't funny and it is getting too depressing. Actually, the saving grace to me is how wonderful Jane Fonda looks and the fashionable daughter's handbags and heck, I like Coyote!
I wasn't trying to say that the delirious stuff doesn't happen, it's the delivery was just cringey.
Honestly, I have no problem with Sam's character. I like the jittery movements he has. It makes is eccentricity more believable. He does overact at times, but I can tolerate him.
Actually, the saving grace to me is how wonderful Jane Fonda looks and the fashionable daughter's handbags and heck, I like Coyote!
Jane Fonda's character is pretty much like her character in Monster in Law (which I love because of her) so it didn't take long for me to really like Grace.
I love Brianna. So cynical but smart and sassy.
Coyote is meh and so is Bud. (that's actually a good weed name. CoyoteBud...or a beer name...)
Why does the budike in Nwabudike sounds like bukkake to me ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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You forget about Frankie's frustration and not having a clue with her financial stuff, she'd never had to think about that before. I feel her pain. I think she knew she needed 9 million dollars to be secure, not to have to worry about it anymore.
As far as the heart attack/medical stuff going on I found it right on the money. Those are the things they don't tell you when you're still feeling invincible. The fear, the waiting, the insurance, the string cheese was just something sick people do to feel normal sometimes.
I believe filming is currently going on on season 3.
I was crazy about Season 1. I thought the writing was superb, but that was mostly for Lily Tomlin. She makes the show for me. What bothered me about Season 1 was how horrible Jane Fonda's acting was. I thought "this is a 2-time Oscar winner?" Then I read an article that she needed acting classes because television was so starkly different from movies. Ahhhh...validation; how I love thee. Go back and watch "Klute" and then spy "Grace and Frankie." You'll need to be reminded this is the same person. And don't get on me about her age; Paul Newman was fantastic in "Nobody's Fool" and "Twilight" and he was in the same age bracket. Fonda did seem to get more comfortable in Season 2 so I wasn't wincing so much.
There was just so much to laugh about in Season 1. Then comes Season 2. Ugh...it took me forever to finish it off. I didn't want to stop watching Season 1; not so this year. What I did love about Season 2 was seeing some favorite actors from my youth....Marsha Mason, Estelle Parsons, Sam Elliot, Swoosie Kurtz, Mary Kay Place, Rita Moreno, Amy Madigan etc. Kudos to Fonda and Tomlin for that. But the tone of the 2nd season was just too somber. Robert's heart attack; his reaction to Sol's 'oopsie' with Frankie (way too severe....get out? Come on); Frankie's dealings with Brianna over the lube (were these the same 2 people who sat in the hanging chair and got high?) and then to have Grace annihilate Frankie with her drunken speech was way over the top. One of the few times I thought it was getting good again was when Frankie tossed all of Grace's booze and the little notes she wrote in the hiding places.
Well "Zee" you and I seem to be in the minority about Season 2. I'm happy to hear there will be a third season for I will definitely watch. Maybe if I watch the 2nd season as much as the first, I'll start to like it a bit more.
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I just finished it and thought it was great! I actually prefer season 2 even though season 1 was also good. I love how season 2 focused more on the women and fleshed out the characters.
shareJust finished the entire season. Superb! More, please!
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