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Question about Karen Chapman, Witch of the South and Dorothy

posted 8 years ago by spn_djinn
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In the first three episodes we learn that

(1)The Witch of the South ("Mother South" the Wizard called her) died 20 years back when the Beast Forever came.
(2) Dorothy believes that Karen Chapman in Lucas, Kansas, is her birth mother.
(3) Sullivan, at the Witch of the East's castle, says that Karen was an "interloper" who was brought by the Wizard to the castle to send her back by way of a cyclone.

Is Dorothy truly Karen's daughter? Or is she the daughter of South, who was saved by Karen when she was sent back to Kansas? Perhaps South truly died 20 years back and entrusted Dorothy to Karen's care. Karen can't be the Witch of the South if she was an "interloper."

Also, can North and West have children? Or only South? Why was she called Mother South?

[–] pedrohenrique1618 8 years ago

I believe in episode 2 Glinda told her sister that mother south died and new cardinal witches can´t be born because of that. something like that. I believe you are right. Maybe Tip is her sister.

[–] stbarabas 8 years ago

Tip is princess Ozma. As far as the witch of the South what they said was that there was not enough left of her to have a ceremonial funeral in the crypt. So she could have just been transported to Kansas.

[–] jrneptune 8 years ago

I agree with your comments and those from pedrohenrique and stbarabas. Could it also be that Karen is the Mother of the South? That could explain so much more of what is going on. If that is the case would it mean that Dorothy is a witch as well but untrained?

[–] spn_djinn 8 years ago

After the first two episodes, I was thinking Karen is Mother South, who left Oz twenty years back and is presumed dead. But when Sullivan said in Episode 3 that Karen was brought by the Wizard to East's castle to send her away from Oz because she was an "interloper", I began to have doubts. If Karen was a cardinal witch, why would she be called an interloper, and how could she have been sent away?

I think Dorothy is definitely a witch, who was hidden from the Wizard by sending her to Kansas.

[–] pontipy-71031 8 years ago

This now makes me wonder if the mark on Dorothy's hand is the mark of protection the witch of the south gave her in the books. Hmmmm....

[–] jrneptune 8 years ago

I agree with you. I seriously doubt it is just a birthmark but more than that. A mark of protection of some kind would make much more sense.

[–] BlueeyedSara 8 years ago

I had thought that it was a mark of power or protection.

[–] spn_djinn 8 years ago

So now we know (from West) that the Witch of the South was the mother of all the witches. She had a thousand children. Is Karen the Witch of the South? Or is South truly dead?

Also, could the little girl Sylvie possibly be South born again? She seems to have powerful but uncontrolled magic.