Plotholes and annoying things (contains spoilers)

It was clear from about 10 minutes in that this thing was full of holes you could drive a bus through. No different than the original heroes in that regard. If you watch it expecting it to logically check out and make sense then you're in for a disappointment.
As a vehicle for good looking escapist drama with a massive special effects budget, it's eminently watchable however.

Go on Stanley, stick one in Jane Russell & win a goldfish.

Hiro was dying from a tumour last season of Heroes (casued by his timetravel) . Yet he kept on for 15 years without treatment

"Tommy" had his memory deleted by Caspar, yet he remembered the room he visited at Primatech.

The whole point of keeping Malina and Nathan apart was so that he wouldn't take her powers, yet they have met and she kept her powers. (also since they shared a womb, it should be clear that he couldn't take her powers)

Nathan's power is actually to take other evo's power, yet it doesn't make any sence how he does it. He clearly can do it without it being a conscious decision, since he took Clair's and Hiro's as an infant. But how? Was it by touch, or simply by comming close to an evo? Since he was both close to Angela and touched Molly without getting their powers.

Carlos broke the glass cage to get Michah... when his nefew is an evo that could have taken Micha through the glass and saved them a lot of time.

Haitian got shot..but then is alive..No explanation.

1. Hiro was dying from a tumour last season of Heroes (casued by his timetravel) . Yet he kept on for 15 years without treatment.

2. "Tommy" had his memory deleted by Caspar, yet he remembered the room he visited at Primatech.

3. HRG keep using the name Tommy. Even though he knows his name is Nathan, even more annoying is that he keeps using the name Tommy when talking to Malina, who only knows him as Nathan. Dumb writing.

4. The whole point of keeping Malina and Nathan apart was so that he wouldn't take her powers, yet they have met and she kept her powers. (also since they shared a womb, it should be clear that he couldn't take her powers)

5. Nathan's power is actually to take other evo's power, yet it doesn't make any sence how he does it. He clearly can do it without it being a conscious decision, since he took Clair's and Hiro's as an infant. But how? Was it by touch, or simply by comming close to an evo? Since he was both close to Angela and touched Molly without getting their powers.

6. Angela ages 15 years and then goes back to looking oung when taking Malina to High School.

7. Angela tells her grandkids to find a clocktower, yet most of the series the kids are looking for eachother instead of just meeting up at the clocktower.

8. Angela knows that the kids need a conduit to channel their powers. Yet she never mentioned this.

9. The "conduit" need to be a willing sacrifice... Yet that poor lab tec wasn't willing. So clearly it would work with anyone. Why not use Quintin or Erica that they had easy access to?

10. Erica kept Michah on a wooden chair in a glass cage... Without food or water?
10.1. Michah should not look look as fit as he was.
10.2 Be covered in his own pi55 and *beep*
10.3 Not be able to walk due to the wounds on his ass from sitting so long.

11. Carlos broke the glass cage to get Michah... when his nefew is an evo that could have taken Micha through the glass and saved them a lot of time.

12. Matt didn't trust Erica and had to drive to gateway with Taylor for some stunt. Why didn't he just read Erica's mind? Or even better, take control of her and make her bring him.

13. Taylor has never asked her mom about her dad. Really?

14. Harris can make copies of him just by cutting odd limbs, but how do they create clothes? guns? etc?

15. Haitian got shot..but then is alive..No explanation.

NOW who needs to consult a real medical source? kettle, pot.
also, these questions have all been asked and answered numerous times since they occurred.

1. Hiro's tumor was operated on in s4, "Pass/Fail". www.heroeswiki.com/hiro

2. Caspar only removed the memory of HIRO, nothing else. "full clean slate" everybody assumes happened would have left N2/Tommy a vegetable.

3. KISS for the viewers. how many know who "Gabriel" is?

4. or, y'know, keep the UNTRAINED BABY away from reflexively stealing a(nother) power that will be needed years later.

5. again, infant reflex. his power was active literally at birth, stealing CLAIRE!s regen, killing her. Hours later, he gets startled jumping back in time 15 years, reflex kicks in again and he takes Hiro's power. Since the finale CONFIRMS the elder Angela continued to keep an eye on her grandson AND operate within Primatech's resources, the first task is to make sure Hiro has trained Nathan2/Tommy n the control of his ability. even before potty training.

6. Women color their hair all the time. from 1999 up until June 2014, there were TWO Angelas running around, and the easiest "disguise" for an older lady is not to color her hair. Once she knew her younger self departed, then make a hair stylist appointment. end of story.

7. NOT a plot hole.
8. this is a retcon.
9. this is $#itty writing
10. common occurrence to "long term captivity" scenes aka $#itty writing
11. see #9

12. someone else noted she may have been smart enough to never come physically close to Matt, knowing he could read her mind. Simple enough to have her use proxies or video chat to convince him she knew what she was doing.
up until the finale, my theory was she was a "persuader" like Eden in s1.

13. maybe she did, and was told a cover story about a drunken boyfriend who abandoned her. This series made it clear on this pint they had an estranged relationship so it's not like they really had too many opportunities to have them rehash an old argument like this. hell, my niece knows her mother had (at least) three potential fathers, ruled out in order for: Timing, blood test, and stat rape of another girl. so he's simply referred to as "sperm donor".

14. re #9
15. butterfly effect after "June 13". Noah did not confront him and/or H was never ordered to kill Noah. or H staged the whole thing with a shapeshifter or psychic projection. again see #9



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FU Kring

Out of the 15 supposed "plotholes" that you pointed out, only 2 of them were potentially plotholes.

I often times run into posters that don't seem to understand the concept of a plothole. A plothole are illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

A lot of what you said would classify as a plothole, if they weren't addressed at one point or another.

1. Hiro's tumor was treated and removed in the first series. As others have already pointed out.

2. Tommy/Nathan had only his memories of Hiro and his destiny removed. It was done to prevent him from going back to rescue Hiro. Tommy had nightmares about the room in Primatect because there were still remnants of those memories left. He had no clarity of that room or why he was there.

3. While Nathan is Tommy's real name, it's also true that Tommy's memories of him being aware of that name were removed. His mother and Casper I'm sure filled Noah in on the situation, when they were at the hospital, which is likely why he started using Tommy. Also, you make it sound like Noah knew Tommy for more than a couple of days. lol. Both names were fairly new to him, and thus he used Tommy since that was the name he went by at that point.

4-5. It was never established how Nathan actually absorbed powers. He could've just as easily absorbed them reflectively as a child. So I don't see why you are concluding with absolute certainty that his powers are automatic. Angela compared his powers to both Peter and Arthur's. So it's also possible that his powers work with conscious effort, like his great grandfather's.

6. Angela appearing younger than she should be is either a plothole or an unresolved plot. Since it is not impossible for someone to look younger in this series. And for a character like Angela, who has nearly unlimited resources, it's not impossible for her to find some way to reverse her age.

7-8. Angela's actions depend on her visions of the future, which are based in fate. Whatever we see her attempting with the kids in Primatech likely happened in a vision. Her keeping them apart originally had to do with Tommy's initially stealing powers. She also knew from her visions that she had to keep them apart, and that they would come together to stop the HELE.

9. The burst was nowhere near as powerful as the one Noah was able to channel, which covered the whole planet. It also lasted far longer. I didn't realize this before, but
that is why Noah was needed for this particular instance. Maybe it has something to do with willpower and determination. Quentin or Erica may have not been strong enough to do this.

10. Micah wasn't with Renautis for that long. He was captured at the end of the webseries, which meant he only spent a week(if that long) or two in that situation. Not to mention, there were people there that were responsible for maintaining his health. Who knows, there possibly could've been EVOs at work to do this as well.

11. Carlos wasn't aware of his nephews powers at that point. Just that he was an EVO. Remember, he only had showed his powers to the Priest. Not to mention, Carlos wanted him to hide while they were freeing Micah, since they were still open to an attack.

12. Matt was smart to do this, use Taylor as a captive, since there was a chance the Shadow/Phoebe could've been there to neutralize his powers. This also came in handy when Rene tried to neutralize his powers as well.

13. Taylor not asking her mother about her father isn't a plot hole. Not to mention, she may have did at one point, only for Erica to lie about it.

14. Harris' clones are not real/full/complete physical copies of himself since they turn into dust when they're killed. The clones copy whatever he has on(excluding his watch). Not a plothole since it has remained consistent throughout the series.

15. The Haitian/Rene was a butterfly after Noah time traveled on June 13th. Rene was originally the person that wiped his memories, but Noah convinced his past self not to contact him. Thus Rene was never involved with covering up Noah's secret about the twins, and had no reason to try an kill him when they met.

I had similar questions. However:

4. The whole point of keeping Malina and Nathan apart was so that he wouldn't take her powers, yet they have met and she kept her powers. (also since they shared a womb, it should be clear that he couldn't take her powers)

10. Erica kept Michah on a wooden chair in a glass cage... Without food or water?

1. In the Pass/Fail episode, where Hiro "dies", and goes to Death court, he also get healed by his mother.