Ignores important facts and falsely assumes Hitler to be 100% honest


I watched about 80 percent of this long documentary series on YouTube before it was taken down. It was very interesting to hear the other side. But it's way too one-sided and biased and tries to portray Hitler as a saint who never did anything wrong. Yeah right. It also ignores a lot of important facts and distorts events too. That means it's definitely NOT an objective or unbiased search for the truth.

First, it assumes that Hitler was 100 percent honest and never lied. There is no basis for that assumption. It seems to have a personal bias and agenda to portray him as an innocent saint. It assumes that any excuse Hitler made to invade a country must be completely true and honest. For example, Hitler claimed that the German population at Danzig in Poland were being persecuted, as his excuse to invade Poland. All warmongers make excuses to invade or attack, but that doesn't make them true. Hitler could have used shills or agents to stir up trouble in Danzig, as US historians claim, to try to make Poland look like an oppressor.

Hitler also broke many peace treaties and invaded many nations in Europe which were neutral and never declared war on Germany - such as Belgium, Holland, Poland, Greece, etc. - without provocation. Yet this is all ignored and not justified or explained away. So how could Hitler be the innocent victim then, as this film portrays, when he was clearly the aggressor and invaded neutral nations? Am I missing something?

And if Hitler was so honest, then why did he break many promises to never invade those countries and violate many peace treaties he made, including the one with Stalin? Again, am I missing something?

Hitler did claim that the reason he invaded Russia was because they
were going to invade him too. No one disputes that. But that's merely Hitler's claim and excuse to invade. There is no proof that it was true. Dennis Wise merely assumes that everything Hitler said must be automatically true by default. That's an unwarranted assumption. Many invading nations have used the "preemptive strike" excuse (including the US invasion of Iraq) but it doesn't make it true. Yet this documentary takes Hitler's words as fact and gospel truth without basis.

The maker of this documentary, Dennis Wise, obviously lacks any critical thinking skills and has an obvious bias and agenda. He is not a neutral objective truth seeker at all.

Moreover, this documentary is not professionally produced at all. It consists of old vintage stock footage from WWII and lots of scrolling text running on the screen without any professional narration (except those used in clips from other documentaries), only background music. Anyone could use a free program like Windows Movie Maker to create such a documentary. It involves no cost, only time. Furthermore, much of the scrolling text contains assertions and quotes that are not sourced or documented, so their authenticity is suspect. When it comes to text scrolling on the screen, anyone can write anything, it doesn't have to be accurate or sourced. So the credibility of this documentary is highly suspect.

That being said, I agree that it is also unfair and biased for Western media and history to portray Hitler as a cartoon villain or mythological devil rather than a complex historical figure. So I do agree that Western historians and media are too biased against Hitler and that we need to have an understanding of Hitler's side, including his reasons and motives and whether he was right about some things. Merely demonizing him does not help the world understand him at all.

However, that doesn't mean that we should adopt the extreme opposite view that Hitler was a saint who did no wrong, as Dennis Wise has. Neither extreme is accurate. This long documentary by Dennis Wise is way too one-sided and tries to portray Hitler as an innocent victim and refuses to acknowledge any of his wrongdoings or faults. So it is not fair or neutral at all. Still, I'll give it 5 stars though, for presenting a lot of data from Hitler's side that most people don't know, so it is somewhat informative at least, even if it's too biased in the other direction.

For a more balanced and fair assessment of Hitler, and of his good traits and bad traits, and his complex motivations and character, I suggest you read the book, "Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny" by Professor Stolfi which you can find on Amazon.com.


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Yes - good points, well made. I've made it around halfway through this and while very obviously biased there are some interesting points that never seemed to make it into British history lessons (for example that Russia invaded Poland at exactly the same time Germany did, but we only declared war on Germany? And did Serbia really welcome their invasion as liberation after 900 years?).

If you can make it through the dismally amateurish production (interminable scrolling text, droning music, ripped-off films/series) then it provides an interesting counterpoint - but not one that should be entirely relied upon for its veracity!


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> It was very interesting to hear the other side. But it's way too one-sided and biased and tries to portray Hitler as a saint who never did anything wrong. Yeah right.

Very weak argument on your part. Basically, you don't believe that anyone or Hitler could be as good as this documentary portrays him, and therefore you assess the documentary as being wrong.

But why don't you consider that your belief may be wrong?

> It also ignores a lot of important facts and distorts events too.

You can't just say that without providing evidence.

> First, it assumes that Hitler was 100 percent honest and never lied...................................

This movie provides a plausible account of history. The thing about history is that we can never know the full and exact truth. History only knows a few details here and there and tries to piece together a narrative that explains them. If you assume someone is lying or truthful or evil or good you can create a different narrative.

Context is key, in my opinion. Would Hitler be lying in private communications, for example? Highly unlikely. Would people be lying in court testimony? Much more likely. Would they lie for tactical advantages, such as to surprise a country with invasion? Certainly.

I don't take issue, as you do, with assuming that much that Hitler said was truthful. I think that the main reason people take issue with this is that they want to arrive at the conclusion that Hitler is an extremely evil and bad man, and the only way they can maintain that in light of many of the things he said is to claim that he was lying.

> Moreover, this documentary is not professionally produced at all.

That's not a valid criticism in my opinion. The main reason why it's not professional produced is that it's such a taboo and censored subject that nobody is allowed to touch professionally.

> It involves no cost, only time.

Time is money....

It's also making no money (unlike most professional productions).

> Furthermore, much of the scrolling text contains assertions and quotes that are not sourced or documented, so their authenticity is suspect. When it comes to text scrolling on the screen, anyone can write anything, it doesn't have to be accurate or sourced.

Hah! I bet you wouldn't even look up the sources if they were referenced.

While writing references for every quote may have assisted you in your verification of the quotes, it also would have detracted somewhat from the movie by cluttering it with references that most people would be too lazy to actually look up.

Luckily, in the modern day we have the internet where you can type any quote into a search engine and get a plethora of information about it, so don't complain that you can't conduct further research into the information provided in this movie -- you most certainly can.

> So the credibility of this documentary is highly suspect.

The credibility of EVERYTHING ought to be suspect. The only reason people tend not to suspect the credibility of something is if it affirms a bias that they already want to believe in (or were indoctrinated to believe in), which is hardly a good reason.

If any of us wanted to get as close to the truth as possible, we'd need to conduct as much personal research and investigation as we can. Unfortunately, most people are lazy or don't have time, so they defer to popular opinion or expert opinion. Those who reject popular and expert (governmental) credibility are usually deemed as "conspiracy theorists" and ostracized from our modern society (even if they were previously considered "experts" themselves).

> However, that doesn't mean that we should adopt the extreme opposite view that Hitler was a saint who did no wrong, as Dennis Wise has.

I disagree. I think that adopting the opposite extreme view can be effective at waking people up. In argument, it's called playing the devil's advocate.

> Neither extreme is accurate.

This is actually a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

> For a more balanced and fair assessment of Hitler, and of his good traits and bad traits, and his complex motivations and character, I suggest you read the book, "Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny" by Professor Stolfi which you can find on Amazon.com.

Thanks for the recommendation. I suggest that everyone research as much as they can to understand all different perspectives/viewpoints and before forming their own opinion.



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"Would Hitler be lying in private communications, for example? Highly unlikely. "

This "documentary" only offers Hitler's public statements and German propaganda when it explains Hitler's actions. There is plenty of documentation of things he said in private that show his real intentions and give lie to his public statements. For example, before the invasion of Poland he was worried that someone would try to broker a peace, as happened with Czechoslovakia, before he got the war he wanted. Read "Hitler's Table Talk," taken directly from private dinner conversations his secretary recorded for posterity.

You don't even have to go that far. In "Mein Kamph" he detailed his plans to expand Germany's Liebensraum by invading the Soviet Union and displacing it's people, replacing them with Germans, which is exactly what he attempted.

I know I'm probably wasting my time here arguing with you because you people dismiss anything that doesn't support your "revisionist" dogma as lies, propaganda or a Jewish plot. Hopefully other people without your bias or indoctrination won't blindly accept this piece of crap as the unvarnished truth.

"This movie provides a plausible account of history." Plausible isn't the same as accurate and honest.

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If you don't want to waste your time:

1. Provide sources to back up your assertions.
2. Make it clear what the point you're trying to make is.
3. Prove your point.
4. Cut the insults and ad hominem attacks.



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1. Why? What is the incentive to go to the effort for you? I KNOW the sources exist because I have studied them for 40 years. But why go to the effort for you? The doc never bothered with historical accuracy backed up by legit sources. Who are you do demand such effort on a movie forum about a horrible doc. You are not my sensei.
2. Point is the movie was garbage. Not history at all. The source to back that fact up is the doc itself.
3. To you? I doubt anyone could prove anything to you. No matter what the sources.
4. Why? You are a ripe target merely for defending this distortion of historical facts. You are begging to be attacked. Almost as if you had bait in the water trolling for a bite....

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The maker of this documentary put in effort and you will do so too, if you want to prove your assertions (and can). Otherwise, you should really just shut up and do something that IS worth putting effort into, if such a thing exists in your world.



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That logic is silly as mittens on cats. Prove to whom? You? That's funny.

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It's not ad hominem, it's what you people do in my experience. I think your ideas and misinformation are foolish and dangerous. If that hurts your feelings, then cry more, special snowflake.

Your MO is to cherry pick certain small details and get into endless debates about trivialities that go nowhere. It's a waste of time.

This waste of hard drive space "documentary" only repeats the exact propaganda Hitler and the Nazis disseminated throughout their rule to justify their actions to their people, and it ignores anything that doesn't fit the picture they want you to see. What more does an objective person need to know to dismiss this drivel?

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Go back, re-read the post you replied to, and try again.



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"""I know I'm probably wasting my time here arguing with you because you people dismiss anything that doesn't support your "revisionist" dogma as lies, propaganda or a Jewish plot. Hopefully other people without your bias or indoctrination won't blindly accept this piece of crap as the unvarnished truth. """

Yet it's ok to blindly accept EVERYTHING the 'allies' have told us for 70 years, right? It's ok to imprison people and destroy their lives all because they question the historical accuracy of WWII, right?

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Sure, buddy. Because it's either one extreme or the other. The Allies weren't spotless and I believe in freedom of speech. We don't lock people up where I come from, no matter how offensive and idiotic their ideas are.

I accept the current consensus of literally all professional peer reviewed, reputable, objective historians. Which ones have you read? (Don't give me David *beep* Irving.) I reject pseudo-history coming from people with an agenda. I reject random yahoos on the Internet because anyone can post anything they want. I reject the repeated use of assertions that have been soundly debunked.

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"But it's way too one-sided and biased and tries to portray Hitler as a saint who never did anything wrong. Yeah right. It also ignores a lot of important facts and distorts events too. That means it's definitely NOT an objective or unbiased search for the truth."


Well we could definitely say the truth we have been taught has been bias as well and possibly a lie. Of course the enemy of a state in a war is always the "bad guy". And the loser of the war is always the evil country. Your right though this documentary went a little too far on the Hitler loving. However it's refreshing to get a different perspective on WW2. Really makes ya think.

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I completely agree.. I don't think anyone with a brain buys that Hitler was an evil tyrant who ate babies for breakfast but I also don't believe that he had entirely honest intentions or that the holocaust is entirely a product of soviet lies. I think the beginning of this documentary is very informative and Hitler certainly did good things for his people (so long as they were white Christian heterosexuals) but towards the end it became ridiculous and obvious the film maker had their own agenda - I just don't believe that multiculturalism or homosexuality is bringing about the downfall of civilisation. I am sure the war could have been avoided had the treaty of Versailles been more measured but that just doesn't explain away locking up children just because they don't fit into your ideals.. Even if I accept that zyklon b was just to treat diseases (I don't), they shouldn't have been locking innocent people away even if the soviets and others were doing it too..

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great assessment. though maybe too far anti hitler pro allies with the stuff on why germany invaded several countries. truth is complex on causes. plenty of things to prove germany was right but theres also a lot of suspect stuff which dont help either sides cause

GSNT is a well put together documentary, great place to start but its far from fountain of truth bible on hitler and ww2 i see people saying it is. as others and you have said its too pro saint savior Hitler.

To know who hitler and elite nsdap was you have to read likes of mein kampf, table talk and the SS literature which was for the elite SS mind. not the stupid pro christian stuff they put out to appease masses

Your not going to watch any documentary and know the full truth on subjects like ww2 and rise of hitler. got to to dig deeper read different sources and perspectives

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