But it may end up being a decent hit. At this point it looks like it may reach Brave's worldwide total. Is that "good"? Sure...but a bit underwhelming. It flopped in the UK for goodness sakes. It is likely to gross about HALF of what Trolls did in that market. France had a solid start but overall the box office seems to be...meh.
It's also flopping in China and even Mexico reported very weak numbers! Perhaps it's a sign Disney needs to lay off the princess flicks or else alienate the rest of the world and potentially lose hundreds of millions of dollars. I think Frozen was the ceiling and from here own out practically every musical/princess film is going to be judged on its numbers and music unless Disney can do something amazing in this genre and I just don't see it happening any time soon. And factor in that the market is already flooded with princess and Frozen still... Why should a consumer think this film is special enough to invest time and money into?
I keep hearing this but people don't seem to understand that Moana actually has about a week on Frozen already. From the 22 to 27 November November 2013 Frozen was being shown in only one theater. On the 28th of November it went nationwide in previews making over eleven million and going on to make over 93 million (including limited screening and preview). It's second weekend it made over 31 million compared to Moana's 28 million, third weekend was 22 million, forth 19 and then it jumped back up to 28 million again!
So while Moana might be in the lead right now don't read to much into this. On it's current path (I expect Moana will make around 15 million this coming weekend) it will only be another week or two before Frozen passes it.
To be fair as of right now (5/12/2016) it has only been released in 30 territories. My projections for the box office total would be between $500-$600 million by mid or late spring 2017.
Not really sure if Frozen was released at the same countries around this time back in 2013, but it was at $134M in USA and $56M overseas, which worldwide is $190M. While Moana is at $120M in USA and $59M overseas, which is $179M woridlwe. So... that doesn't seem like a huge difference. I think it will end up making more money than Big Hero 6.
You realise that it was the British that colonised the Pacific Islands. They came preaching Christianity and love, so we allowed them in, there was no great wars fought for the Pacific Islands. We accepted their Missionaries and took on their religion, little did we know that they would start declaring our culture and tradiions as works of the Devil and savagery. We were told to forget our ways (basically forget who we are). This is how Polynesian Navigation was lost to our people, we were brainwashed into thinking that our connection to nature was evil and unclean.
There education curriculum was then implemented into islands and they built schools to civilise us, like we were the ones spreading diseases and wiping out whole populations of people. We were taught that the British discovered the islands, that they were the great explorers and that they were superior to us.
I have a theory, just mine of course, but i don't think after a century of UK brainwashing etc, that a Movie about Polynesians discovering their own islands and having a proud culture would go down that well in the seats of power there. There hasn't been that much advertising of the movie in the UK, i don't think those people higher up want this movie to catch on too much. Just my own conspiracy theory of course.
With regards to the low numbers in Mexico, who knows, maybe they just want a Latino/Hispanic princess. I can understand that they make up 20% of Americas population, and are willing to work any job, they deserve one.
I have a theory, just mine of course, but i don't think after a century of UK brainwashing etc, that a Movie about Polynesians discovering their own islands and having a proud culture would go down that well in the seats of power there.
Jesus Christ you make it sound like we're living in bloody V for Vendetta. The film had a very little marketing here, I saw basically no advertising leading up to the release, thats the explanation. That and Fantastic Beasts being a large hit here for obvious reasons.
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You said it yourself, mockingly. I was joking. Like do you think all of Disney films are Flops? No. It was a joke. None knows if Moana is a flop in the UK. None knows how far it'll go.
I was surprised how empty the cinema was when I went here in the UK the evening it was released. I thought it was brilliant, as a forty year-old man who has to take his kids to the cinema, certainly my favourite Disney film in a long time. I saw Trolls and absolutely hated it. As Moana is neither a sequel or a franchise (toy line etc.) I am hoping word of mouth will turn Moana into a slow-burn success as this is exactly the sort of film Disney should be making. Shiny is one of the greatest Disney songs of all time to boot, and unlike 'Let It Go' is unlikely to send parents around the bend!
My theater was full on opening night. Many people were talking about seeing it again. I hope the greatness of this movie will spread to the country and the movie will prove leggy. I'm actually planning to see it again.
I haven't seen Trolls, but only bnecause our theatre can't afford it or other Fox films for now, but from what you wrote it sounds like it';s not pretty good, so not seeing Trolls will be a blessing in Disguise (I did see Moana last night an the last week and have been delightfully blown away.)
Trolls sucks...that's why it's a shame it was such a big hot in the UK(along with Secret Life of Pets earlier in the year) but MoanA landed there with a resoumding thud.
It's not a good start for Moana's international box office numbers but I think it's still too early to tell. Frozen didn't do that well either in the UK and China and it is one of the most successful movies ever. Christmas period will help Moana generate more revenue for sure.
Its domestic hold was the strongest post-Thanksgiving release hold that Disney has had. It definitely won't reach the heights of Frozen (which would be foolish to expect), but it's still on its way to being a solid hit. The overseas numbers leave much to be desired, but it's currently looking like it'll hit around 600 million worldwide. That's 4x its 150 million budget, before merchandising and music sales.
It's currently lagging only a little behind Frozen's domestic box office. So it is definitely doing great domestically. As far as foreign, sure, it's a slow start, but it's already close to half of what Frozen did in China, and I don't know where you found France numbers, as I can't seem to find them anywhere. What did it make there?
Plus, they're playing the same market strategy with Japan that they did with Frozen, and Japan's what really propelled Frozen in the foreign box office. So Moana should do just fine. Because of how great it is, it will get great WoM and will be fairly leggy. Will it be Frozen? No. But saying it's not Frozen is saying it's not the highest grossing animated movie of all time, which would just be a ridiculous thing to expect from a movie.
First of all, mainly as an aside, I wouldn't call 32 million "close". That would involve increasing its domestic total by 9%.
But my main response will be, why are you starting off this topic comparing Moana's and Frozen's WW box office, and then when I point out matching Frozen's WW box office is ridiculous to expect from a movie (by the way, I'm not saying it can't happen; I'm just saying it's ridiculous to expect it to happen from a movie), you automatically change tact and start talking about domestic gross?
If we're talking about domestic gross, then Frozen's isn't impossible to match. Finding Dory absolutely annihilated Frozen's domestic total, as did Shrek 2, and Toy Story 3 and The Lion King both beat it as well. $400 mil is still a lot to expect a movie to make domestically, but not as unattainable as the WW gross the Frozen got, largely due to Japan. But, again, domestic isn't what we were talking about in this thread. You titled the thread "Worldwide box office...it ain't Frozen", and your OP, which is what I replied to, was specifically talking about what it made in various international markets.
Yes, but we weren't talking about domestic total. I never said that Frozen's domestic total was unreachable. I made a remark specifically about Frozen's WW total. Frozen's domestic total was amazing, but it wasn't anything that hadn't been seen before or hasn't been seen again. 400 mil has been surpassed domestically by animated films both before and after Frozen. What is something truly special that hadn't been seen before and has yet to be seen again was the WW box office of Frozen.