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this forcably SHOVED culture into the audiences faces :)

posted 8 years ago by carrot_handvo
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Moana was a hardcore anti-feminist nationalist movie

Disney gave full creative control to a "Polynesian think-tank".

the result was a movie that forcibly bodyslams you with culture unlike any Disney movie ever. Numerous overtures in non-English. Characters actually behave within the confines of their own religion and culture. Very few anachronisms even. an intense skull banging fetishization of Oceania.

also no feminism. She's a female "chief" princess and no a 🌀glass ceiling🌀 was mentioned (good, because female leaders were a dine-a-dozen on islands everywhere....even the caribbean and the philippines)

they didn't pretend female chiefs weren't a thing and alter it for the feminazi narrative like they did in Mulan. Making the Chinese army want to kill her and angry that she's female (never happened in the original story)

It was quite surreal watching. Even in movies like Aladdin or whatever..you didn't have ovetures in Arabic. Mulan didn't have overtures in Chinese. They'd be completely different movies if they had something that immersive.

So good. Disney, just stop interfearing all together permanently. Give all your projects away to [insert _____ ethnic group "think-tanks"] and have zero creative input. This is a far cry from the days of your attempted andean culture movie: The Kingdom of the Sun, a movie that was gutted into the movie "The Emperor's New Groove"; having ALL but one of its songs stripped, all Inca gods and Quechua culture dragged out and confiscated like a discarded pile of pig organs. [Watch a documentary called The Sweatbox, to see the gruesome details of that travesty. the holocaust of a 99% completed film, followed by retarded Disney executives back peddling. Animators crying and prostrating themselves. It's a good watch. Disney banned this btw, but you can find it online.]

So good job doing nothing Disney. Stay away from your own projects and you'll create something rich. Just like in the days of Walt Disney, whom you currently distance yourself from because Meryl Streep gave a speech calling him a sexist.

So basically...this movie was about a girl in a stagnant island culture who learns the forbidden history of her peoples and reinvigorates their cultural dominance of the ocean like in ancient times. aka a nationalism rallying cry to re-establish the Kingdom of Hawaii.

On another point, this is also the scariest movie that Disney has ever made. It literally has the Ocean luring a baby out into it to the tune of gurgling stomach noises as the ocean gets darker and darker.

Also this film will give you megalophobia. Guaranteed.

[–] EffMJay 8 years ago

Yes! That's what made it great. All good art is full, complete and uncompromised. It didn't underestimate our intelligence.

[–] theshadow1963 8 years ago

I'm more inclined to think the culture WASN'T "forcibly shoved" in people's faces. Rather, it was wholly relevant to the story and added to the plot, rather than just be a ham-fisted multi-culti propaganda piece.

[–] carrot_handvo 8 years ago

Disney always whitewashes culture you dummy. And Moana wasn't multicultural. It was the singular Polynesian culture.
They could have easily cut out all of the details in 'Where you are' and everything. But they didn't. None were relevant to the story. All were added richness. Dumb bumb

[–] chisox999 8 years ago

You are a very mean person. Most would call you a bully. Why do you constantly insult those who disagree with you? What motivates you to be such a jerk to people?

And for the record, Polynesia, by definition, is multi-cultural. It is a board term for all of the cultures, including Filipinos, Maoris, Fijans, etc. that hail from the Pacific islands of Oceania.

[–] tevagtpl 8 years ago

chisox999 the word "Polynesia" refers to an area within the South Pacific that was discovered and populated by the Polynesian people during a 3000 year period. Look up Polynesian triangle in google, basically if draw a triangle from Hawaii, Easter Island and New Zealand that is Polynesia. The Polynesians discovered and populated thousands of islands within this area.

Polynesian are a race of people that sailed out from Samoa over 3000 year ago and discovered the islands of the south pacific. These include the islands Tonga, Tahiti, Hawaii, Niue and New Zealand and many more.

Filipino are not Polynesian btw, they are Pacific Islanders but a part of Asia/Pacific and they did not originate from the Polynesians that first migrated out from Samoa.

[–] StrandedinLaLaLand 8 years ago

Seeing the richness on-screen made the story even better. I can't imagine what the story would have been like if the culture had been watered down.

I must warn you. I'm very susceptible to flattery.

[–] carrot_handvo 8 years ago

Like Emperors new groove

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[–] javalorum 8 years ago

I remember reading the closing credits and there were many people from Polynesian countries being thanked. And a few of them with Dr. titles. So yeah, I think they've done some research.

[–] Someone89 8 years ago

And?

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[–] carrot_handvo 8 years ago

Never been wrong. So I can't answer that.

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[–] Tinny-Tinette 8 years ago

I personally felt that Mulan was quite steeped in Chinese culture. It was a movie which also shoved culture into the audiences faces.

And I consider it a pity that Kingdom of The Sun was remade into The Emperor's New Groove. Despite that I actually like the latter film for what it is, it's still a pity that Disney couldn't find a way to make that project work.

[–] carrot_handvo 8 years ago

Mulan was quite Americanized. Don't get me wrong, I like the movie. I love Aladdin and Emperor's as well. My point is only that if they had songs in their native languages then the immersion would be magnified by 100 times (like Moana is)
China didn't like Mulan at all though. Here is a comparison of the original tale and the Disney version:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/dettoldisney.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/mulan-vs-the-legend-of-hua-mulan/amp/?client=safari

[–] Tinny-Tinette 8 years ago

Perhaps Mulan was too Americanized, yet it still had plenty of Chinese elements within it. When I saw it for the first time, I had very little doubts about it's Asian setting and placement.

And yeah, I know that China didn't like Mulan at all.