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Most acclaimed princess film since 'Snow White'?


Snow White has the highest Princess rating on RT with 98%... so far, Moana has the same, and is recently certified fresh.

Tangled and Frozen both scored 89% each. Seriously, Beauty and the Beast has 93%, and that's...like... the best Disney film ever IMO...

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Yes. It's early. Let's see where it is in 3 months, 6 months and 1 year.

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How about two weeks? It's down to 96% now.

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The best Disney princess film should always be whichever you hold most dear. For me that's Tangled, but others will have their own picks. I certainly wouldn't judge anything based on a flawed film site like RottenTomatoes.

"If life is getting you down and needs uplifting, then please come dance with me!"

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I agree, for me it's The Little Mermaid followed by Tangled??

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No ?? Lol- I was trying to put a smiling emoji but it got changed to?? I wish I knew how to edit my posts.......

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Look at the score out of 10, not the percentage of critics who liked it.

Anyway, if I were to Rank the Princess Films I would say

1. Beauty and the Beast
2. Sleeping Beauty
3. The Little Mermaid
4. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
5. Aladdin (though I don't consider it a princess film)
6. Frozen
7. Tangled
8. Pocahontas
9. Mulan
10. Moana
11. The Princess and the Frog
12. Cinderella
13. Brave

If I were to rank the princesses as characters:

1. Rapunzel
2. Belle
3. Ariel
4. Moana
5. Jasmine
6. Mulan
7. Elsa
8. Anna
9. Pocahontas
10. Tiana
11. Cinderella
12. Aurora (she's not really the main character of her movie)
13. Snow White
14. Merida

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First of all, you can't compare older movies' ratings, so I'm only going by Frozen, Tangled, Brave, ect. My theory on why Moana has a higher percentage of people giving it 'thumbs up' is due to a bunch of misguided white guilt from the critics, especially during all that Standing Rock nonsense. Moana is shockingly mediocre, and it's not just me who thinks that, you can tell by the reception. It is a nice safe little movie that people don't dislike but not too many are over the moon like they are with a lot of kiddy movies such as Zootopia, Inside Out, and even Frozen, the movie with the lower rating. The standards for the kiddy genre are pretty low and here they've decided to lower it even more, being satisfied with a by-the-numbers story, pretty animation and lack of a love interest to make it 'ground-breaking' in the face of other pretty bad Disney movies.

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Moana is shockingly mediocre, and it's not just me who thinks that, you can tell by the reception. It is a nice safe little movie that people don't dislike but not too many are over the moon like they are with a lot of kiddy movies such as Zootopia, Inside Out, and even Frozen, the movie with the lower rating.


Yeah, no. That is factually incorrect. The reception proves you wrong. It has the same IMDb score as Inside Out, and higher than Zootopia and Frozen. And it has the same RT AUDIENCE score as Zootopia, and higher than Inside Out and Frozen. So it has gotten the best reception out of all of the movies you mentioned, so no. We cannot tell by the reception that it was "shockingly mediocre", and clearly people are over the moon about it like they are with Zootopia, Inside Out, and Frozen. So good try, but fail.

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So good try, but fail.


Maybe try not to be so condescending when you didn't actually comprehend what the poster said.

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First of all, I fully comprehended what the poster said. But it was wrong. Second of all, you are probably right, I shouldn't have been condescending. But it was a knee jerk reaction to the poster saying the only reason the movie has been well received was "misguided white guilt" and labeling all Disney movies as kiddy cartoons. So, I shouldn't have been condescending, but that doesn't void the fact that the poster's remarks about the reaction to Moana proving that it's "shockingly mediocre" are incorrect.

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Yeah, no. That is factually incorrect. The reception proves you wrong. It has the same IMDb score as Inside Out, and higher than Zootopia and Frozen. And it has the same RT AUDIENCE score as Zootopia, and higher than Inside Out and Frozen. So it has gotten the best reception out of all of the movies you mentioned, so no. We cannot tell by the reception that it was "shockingly mediocre", and clearly people are over the moon about it like they are with Zootopia, Inside Out, and Frozen. So good try, but fail.


You must have really liked the movie because you don't want to face reality. First of all, you are ignorant to the fact that IMDB ratings get lower over time, and you cannot compare this new release to movies that have been out for months. You've already shown that your cherry-picked numbers don't mean much. Are you suggesting this film has the same hysteria that FROZEN had? No one agrees with you. Cling to numbers all you like.

By the way, here's a bunch of quotes from the critic's positive reviews RT highlighted that praise either the animation, lack of love interest, or cultural sensitivity:

The narrative is a fairly predictable hero's journey -- Maui even calls her "The Chosen One" -- but the movie is refreshing for its lack of a love interest;

[Moana] is beautiful in more ways than I can tell, thanks to the brilliance of more animators than I could count.

Though not without a few flat spots, this intelligently scripted and accessible fare is blessed with spellbinding marine visuals and esoteric earworms aplenty from composer-of-the-moment Lin-Manuel Miranda.

What works best about Moana are its moments of cultural peculiarity.

A gloriously exuberant and colourful adventure set in Polynesia which is both pleasingly traditional (there are songs and a plucky heroine!) and wittily modern (no handsome prince required).

Mines proto-Polynesian Oceania culture's carefully researched legends, myths and traditions to joyfully bring us a feisty new Hollywood teenage rebel princess.


In contrast, Zootopia and Inside Out have more people spouting 'classic' and 'masterpiece' (haven't seen these films but I'll probably disagree). I haven't been harassed with people praising this film outside of the Disney-head community. Moana is a film that even doesn't seem to believe in itself, constantly making lame jokes about how silly and formulaic its happenings are.

But it was a knee jerk reaction to the poster saying the only reason the movie has been well received was "misguided white guilt" and labeling all Disney movies as kiddy cartoons.



Disney films are kiddy films, that's why cute animal side kicks are needed. Even Moana agrees. If you like Disney accept them for what they are. Pua was such a pointless character, he was obviously added to sell toys because the chicken isn't cute. Moana's RT score, while animated kiddy films do really well with the critics because they have low standards for them, makes no sense being higher than Tangled and Frozen.

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You must have really liked the movie because you don't want to face reality. First of all, you are ignorant to the fact that IMDB ratings get lower over time, and you cannot compare this new release to movies that have been out for months. You've already shown that your cherry-picked numbers don't mean much. Are you suggesting this film has the same hysteria that FROZEN had? No one agrees with you. Cling to numbers all you like.


Yes, I did like the movie, and you are the one refusing to face reality. I see nowhere in your post that you proved anyone's reaction as "shockingly mediocre", let alone a large amount of that reaction, as you implied in your first post. I am not ignorant of that fact. That fact is also irrelevant to what we are talking about. You are trying to say that the reaction to the movie, as in its CURRENT reaction (AKA its CURRENT scores), are proof of a lot of people thinking it's "shockingly mediocre". The CURRENT scores prove that the CURRENT reaction is not that at all. 8.2 is not mediocre. It is great. No, I'm not saying it has the same hysteria Frozen had. But I am saying it is a universally positive reaction.


By the way, here's a bunch of quotes from the critic's positive reviews RT highlighted that praise either the animation, lack of love interest, or cultural sensitivity:

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In contrast, Zootopia and Inside Out have more people spouting 'classic' and 'masterpiece' (haven't seen these films but I'll probably disagree). I haven't been harassed with people praising this film outside of the Disney-head community. Moana is a film that even doesn't seem to believe in itself, constantly making lame jokes about how silly and formulaic its happenings are.


This honestly hurts your argument even more. First of all, the level of animation is a critical aspect for the quality of an animated movie. So people praising the animation is praising the film. So...I really don't see what kind of point you are trying to make here. As far as lack of a love interest, that's part of the story. So praising that is in part praising the story. Again, not seeing your point. Only the ones that talk about the cultural aspect of it could be viewed as "misguided white guilt", as you call it. Of your personally picked reviews to try and prove your point, only 3 even mentioned it, and only 1 was focused only on it.


Disney films are kiddy films, that's why cute animal side kicks are needed. Even Moana agrees. If you like Disney accept them for what they are. Pua was such a pointless character, he was obviously added to sell toys because the chicken isn't cute. Moana's RT score, while animated kiddy films do really well with the critics because they have low standards for them, makes no sense being higher than Tangled and Frozen.


I do accept them for what they are: family films that are aimed at all ages. These aren't The Wiggles or Barney or other stuff like that that is made specifically for children. They are films that are appropriate for children and have some jokes and characters that are specifically for the kids, but the story, humor, and artistic ability are appreciable by adults as well. Maybe it doesn't make sense to you. But obviously it does to critics. And audiences. And the general public. So, yeah. Your statement that the reaction proves it is "shockingly mediocre" is, again, incorrect.

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I think what the poster is trying to say, in shockingly uncouth post, is that the reviews belie a movie that I must admit follows the modern Disney Princess formula pretty closely.

However, the setting, animation, characters, and songs more than make up for it for me and it seems that is the case for critics as well.

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Yeah, I don't deny that it has a lot of similarities with other WDAS movies. However, they act like critics complimenting the characterization of Moana and the animation ability as not complimenting the quality of the movie. Like, I can't see how "This movie has a great character and beautiful animation" isn't really talking about the quality of the movie...

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I think what the poster is trying to say, in shockingly uncouth post, is that the reviews belie a movie that I must admit follows the modern Disney Princess formula pretty closely.


Yes, that's one thing. Although all Disney films have formula this one is mediocre. Brave had a lot less formula but people seem to hate that one.

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I don't think people think the movie is "shockingly mediocre", that's what I think the movie is, and that is the reason for people's tepid reaction. It's just the mediocre movies still have the appearance of being well-received because animated films are almost always overrated. I never said anything about scores that was all you. I said the scores are surprisingly high, but the hype is low comparatively.

First of all, the level of animation is a critical aspect for the quality of an animated movie


Haha, well, if that's what you believe. It's akin to praising special effects. Someone can say that The Last Airbender had nice effects and if you think that makes the film not suck, that is why you and the critics have low standards for animated films.

Of your personally picked reviews to try and prove your point, only 3 even mentioned it, and only 1 was focused only on it.


Those are the quotes selected by RT that provide the 'gist' of the whole review. By no means are they the only reviews that mentioned it. You might not believe me, but I just picked a review I didn't quote at random, and here's what it says:

You would be forgiven for getting so lost in the world of Moana that the story itself becomes merely a distant hum. Disney's newest animated extravaganza takes as its inspiration the crystal blue waves and lush green island mountains of Polynesia, making the landscape into a 3-D storybook. The computer animation, so much crisper and more vibrant than the all-white X-Y planes of Frozen, turns the film into a celebration of (bio)diversity. And not a moment too soon for a world that keeps needing to be reminded that this is all worth taking some effort to save.


http://www.npr.org/2016/11/23/503039259/disneys-moana-needs-no-prince-just-the-land-and-sea?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=movies

That review spends a lot of time not talking about the film's material other than animation and dumb stuff.

These aren't The Wiggles or Barney or other stuff like that that is made specifically for children.


Yeah I've heard this argument a million times. Wiggles, Barney, Sesame Street, ect are for small children like toddlers, that doesn't make Disney not for children. Adults can appreciate them, weird adults like me, I watch Curious George, the Bernstain Bears, Arthur, and Little Bear. I can recognize a children's film when I see one. Disney/Pixar has very few films aimed at young adults+, The Incredibles is one (I hate it by the way). Family film is just code for kid's film that adults who like kid's films will enjoy. They are designed for kids first. This is why you have people who will laugh at my reviews (it's just a kid's movie don't take it so seriously!) and others will overrate them, praising them for things that are not amazing (no love interest for Moana) because they have low standards for them.

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