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"Sing" just put a heavy "Ding" into Moana


It looks like it may crawl to a $200-210 million domestic total and $400-450 million worldwide.

Not a disaster, but very disappointing.

One small hope is that it takes off in Japan next year but I'm not holding my breath.

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Uhh, no. Moana only dropped 30.5 %, which is in line with its typical Tuesday to Wednesday drop.

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Its Tuesday to Wednesday drop this week was -30.5%. Its other Tuesday to Wednesday drops have been -37.4%, -36.1%, and -29%. So, not a big deal. Actually much lower of a drop than two of its others.

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Yep...Sing killed it.

Made only 3 million on this pre-Christmas Friday with all schools out.

On track to only make a little over 11 million over the lucrative Christmas 4-day weekend. Still well under 200 million domestic and will barely crawl over that threshold.

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Prepare to cry Queen! You'll soon find out you were wrong once again! AGAIN.

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For a non-white princess movie, I think Moana's done pretty well. It's just sad that a movie this good didn't perform as well as Frozen or Tangled and isn't doing so well internationally, especially in European countries. I personally find it superior to both Tangled and Frozen, and I really expected it to reach at least 600 million worldwide with the overall quality, the catchy songs, amazing visuals and the great marketing by Disney. The sad fact is that princess movies that don't have white princesses as the leads just won't resonate with most children, especially little girls whose idea of a princess is still the same as the one Disney's perpetuated for the last few decades, and that's what most girls aspire to be: a princess with white skin and flowy (not curly) blond hair.

It's the same reason The Princess and the Frog didn't do so well either. People attributed it's underperformance to the title, that having 'princess' in the title probably turned off most males from seeing the movie, thereby limiting its audience. I say its failure is simply because of the princess being black.

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And no, I disagree that Sing killed it. Moana's held up pretty well inspire of Sing opening. Just compare its performance with Toy Story 2 which also opened on Thanksgiving. Moana's BO numbers are ahead of it at this point and it's looking at a 4 day weekend of 11 to 12k, a drop of less than 15% from last week. It's performing just like Toy Story 2, and that movie made over 245m. Moana should make more than that.

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Moana will succeed to Aladdin for the best box office numbers from Musker-Clements, I won't doubt it.

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I truly hope it makes more than 500 million worldwide.

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It works very well in France, as much as 90's classic, despite the crazy hype for Rogue One. It's a too honest movie to overtake the billion number, sadly, no "proud to be a bi*tch" song in the chart to feel unguilty the bratty audience.

I never doubt that the Princesses franchise smells a little white supremacy in USA, it makes the fuzz anti-Disney Classic Princesses in american-liberal social medias.

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@traveldoc

Yes. Sing did major damage to it. It shouldn't have DROPPED at all on Xmas weekend.,.rather it should have GAINED over last weekend with the flood of kids out of school.

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Not necessarily. Films gain the most the weekend after Christmas. Check Tangled and Toy Story 2. Their Christmas weekends were about on par or had minimal drops from the previous weekends, then gained again the weekend after. There's no reason moana shouldn't perform the same. Frozen is an exception because of the massive hype it enjoyed after its release.

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Its not making anywhere near toy story 2. Maybe big hero 6 (which itself barely broke even)

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This post is so hilariously stupid and fake I'm not even bother arguing with you.

Adventure is out there!

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you're pretty stupid

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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

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Actually that would be a disaster considering how 300 million was spent on making and marketing this. Theaters takes half of the gross so disney would lose more than good dinosaue if this did only 400 million worldwide. 150 million to produce moana as well as 150 million to market it.

Sing costs a quarter of moanas total budget (only 75 million to make AND produce this) and its in track to do 300 million domestic alone (films opening on christmas can have 5-6 time multiplier from the 6 day opening weekend.

Yes sing is bad but its winning unfortunately.

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It shows how far our expectations have fallen for this film when we are hoping that it can cross $500 million worldwide!

This was the first Disney Princess Animated Musical since Frozen!

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Actually that would be a disaster considering how 300 million was spent on making and marketing this. Theaters takes half of the gross so disney would lose more than good dinosaue if this did only 400 million worldwide. 150 million to produce moana as well as 150 million to market it.

Sing costs a quarter of moanas total budget (only 75 million to make AND produce this) and its in track to do 300 million domestic alone (films opening on christmas can have 5-6 time multiplier from the 6 day opening weekend.


So many lies in one post to try to swing Sing's box office as so much better than Moana's. So I'll address them one at a time.

Actually that would be a disaster considering how 300 million was spent on making and marketing this.


WHERE IS THIS NUMBER COMING FROM?! Nowhere?! Your butt?! Yeah, that's what a thought. Show me one link that even implies 300 mil. I'll be waiting. Until then, this is as fake a number as possible, and the OFFICIAL number, according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films#Box_office_grosses_and_critical_reception, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moana_(2016_film)), The-Numbers (http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Moana#tab=summary), Fortune (http://fortune.com/2016/11/28/moana-thanksgiving-box-office-rules-dont-apply/), Variety (http://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/thanksgiving-box-office-2016-moana-bad-santa-allied-1201923700/) etc. etc.


if this did only 400 million worldwide


So Moana's going to make less than $73 million in Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Norway, South Korea, Sweden and the rest of its performance in the countries it's already released in combined? How does your brain make sense of that? This is not even a remote possibility.


150 million to produce moana as well as 150 million to market it.


Again, I call BS until you prove it. Which you won't. So moving on...


Sing costs a quarter of moanas total budget (only 75 million to make AND produce this)


So now, for Sing, you conveniently leave out the marketing budget. Can I claim its 300 million so Sing actually cost more than Moana? Because I have the same amount of proof for that as you do for Moana's marketing being $150 million.


its in track to do 300 million domestic alone


Based on what?! The fact that its six day extended holiday gross was less than Moana's 5-day? And yet somehow, Moana won't make $200M domestic but Sing will make over $300M?! Does ANYTHING you say make any sense?


PS: Why are you using this account instead of the Kyrchs2 account? Did that one get banned or something? Just assuming you're one of his sock accounts considering you are making up the same numbers as he did, and pretending to like the film but doing everything to try to make Sing look like it's having a better BO run, also like he did.

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The Friday numbers are in and Moana is getting murdered by Sing dropping 9% from last Friday. Before anyone says that's to be "expected" I say hogwash. This is the start of Christmas weekend with all schools out...it should have risen substantially. By the day after Christmas it still will not have hit $190 million domestically.

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Its going to barely cross 200 million, sing will probably surprass this, and disney shills will attack us again.

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You should check out my Moana vs. Sing vs. Trolls thread. I was ridiculed from day one for my predictions...which have all come true for the most part.

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So you're absolutely positive Moana's not gonna hit 210 million in the US?

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It's going to be extremely difficult at this point...especially at the rate it's losing screens.

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Hahahahahaha
Considering it will end the year just under $200M, there's no way it will end up with $210M. Tangled added another $40M in 2011 and Frozen another $140M. And you believe Moana won't be able to add $50M or so in 2017?

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Those 2 films gained over the christmas weekend. This ones collapsing.

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Punba...yup.

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Since you're so certain, wanna make a bet? I'm absolutely certain it'll make well over 210 million.

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The Friday numbers are in and Moana is getting murdered by Sing dropping 9% from last Friday


I call bullsh-t on that. It actually dropped only 7.8% on December 23rd. And guess what? It had the best hold in the top 12. No holdover has actually increased from last week. Don't believe me? Check out Box Office Mojo.

Moana is holding really well. Meanwhile, Sing is hardly the juggernaut you were dreading it to be.

Adventure is out there!

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I wouldn't call a -42% Christmas Weekend drop, less than 8 million for the weekend, and from second to fith place a great hold. If it couldn't make strong gains this weekend what makes people think it will next week or just die after the new year? Just because Frozen didn't?

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Excellent point and question, Lennon!

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Guess it fell heavily over Christmas Eve. On the brighter side, I'm sure it'll make good gains over the next weekend.

Adventure is out there!

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All films fell heavily on Christmas Eve. Many people stayed home.

Moana's 5 day Thanksgiving take beat Sing's 6 day Christmas $82 million to $76 million and Moana's number are about average for Disney animations since Tangled kick started their revival. If it makes around $210M to $220M domestic and $550M to $600M WW it will be right in the ball park with Tangled and Big Hero 6 and above Wreck It Ralph while below the two billion films. Expecting everything to have Frozen like success is a bit retarded.

Moana is currently at $183 million domestic and $328 WW. It will pass $200 million and probably get to $220M. Animated films released in November and December have very long legs. Frozen made another $190 million after its 34th day of release and BH6 $40+ million after 34 days. I am expecting more BH6 than Frozen from Moana but that still gets it to $220 million. Its foreign box office is actually more worrisome.


Tangled - $201M domestic / $592M WW
Wreck It Ralph - $189M domestic / $471M WW
Frozen - $400M domestic / $1.3B WW
Big Hero 6 - $223M domestic / $658M WW
Zootopia - $341M domestic / $1.02B WW

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I wouldn't be too worried about the foreign numbers. Keep in mind, Moana hasn't opened in Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Norway, South Korea, or Sweden yet. It actually did just open in Germany, but those numbers haven't been factored in yet, so as far as the numbers, Germany isn't included. In comparison, if you took those countries away from Tangled, its foreign number would be $236.5M, to give a cume of $438M. With Moana still having a ton of time left, it shouldn't fare too badly against the foreign/WW numbers of Tangled or Wreck It Ralph, and should compete with BH6.

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One question: Are you absolutely out of your mind?

Adventure is out there!

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