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posted 8 years ago by troyplafond
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the weekend is over.

With Christmas Eve falling on a Saturday and Christmas Day falling on a Sunday, reports are going to be all over the place. Additionally, when looking at the 3-day, many movies will have a bigger than usual drop, do not proclaim death over this, it's because no one goes to the movies Christmas Eve. Do not proclaim death over the Thursday and Friday holds, not every school was out, I think Deadline said not even half the country was out.

Just...hold off until the finals are out. Early reports likely won't be close to accurate. And look at the 4-days, not the 3-days.

[–] troyplafond 8 years ago

on*

[–] Hold_the_door 8 years ago

They should better hold off until Moana's theatrical run is over, because the users who discuss box office here (Queen etc.) don't really know much about it..

[–] QueenFanUSA 8 years ago

I think i do a bit more than you and many others on this board.

Moana got knocked down and almost out by Sing this Christmas weekend. No other way to spin it.

[–] Hold_the_door 8 years ago

No you don't. I'm surprised you think that.

[–] A-Rey-of-Light 8 years ago

I think i do a bit more than you and many others on this board.

Nope, nope and nope.

Moana got knocked down and almost out by Sing this Christmas weekend. No other way to spin it.

Shouldn't it have dropped 50% then? What do you make of the fact that Sing's FSS is less than Trolls' and its 5-day total is less than Moana's first FSS?

Adventure is out there!

[–] Syrngfsse2 8 years ago

Budget for sing was a quarter of moanas and just over half of trolls.

[–] A-Rey-of-Light 8 years ago

Not the point.

Adventure is out there!

[–] troyplafond 8 years ago

Irrelevant and wrong. Sing cost 75 million, Trolls cost 125 million, Moana cost 150 million.

[–] Syrngfsse2 8 years ago

Sing and trolls were combined budgets. Sing looked like it costs only 35 million to make plus 40 million in marketing budget. Moanas 150 million budget was for production alone.

[–] Hold_the_door 8 years ago

You're worse than QueenFanUsa...

[–] troyplafond 8 years ago

Source or it isn't true. Production budget is production budget, marketing budget is marketing budget.

[–] Zaphenzo 8 years ago

Based on? Proof? No? Didn't think so. Stop just saying crap out of nowhere and expecting us to believe it. We're not children, and we're not naive morons. If you want to say that kind of crap, then I'll just say:

Moana's $150M was production and marketing combined. Trolls was $75M just production. It probably spent about $90-100M on marketing, so combined, it actually cost more than Moana.

See, I have the same amount of proof as you do. At least QueenFanUSA goes by actual numbers and just has outrageous expectations. You, Krychs, and Punba just make up crap and expect it to be fact.

[–] Syrngfsse2 8 years ago

I talked to a disney executive and they confirmed the 300 million budget. You didnt do *beep* but troll.

[–] troyplafond 8 years ago

Sure you did buddy.

[–] Zaphenzo 8 years ago

Wow, you really just live in a fantasy world don't you?

[–] Zaphenzo 8 years ago

Moana got knocked down and almost out by Sing this Christmas weekend. No other way to spin it.

Um, the other way to spin it is the way it actually happened:

Moana only dropped 18% from last weekend, and that was basically only because of the lackluster Christmas Eve, which was downright terrible for Sing as well. But it is now trending upward again ($1.7m on CE to $2.8m on C to $3m on the 26th). So Moana is continuing to do fine, and its 5 day ($82 mil) is better than Sing's 6 day ($76.7 mil) despite the extra day due to holiday.

[–] troyplafond 8 years ago

No, you really don't. If you did, you would know that Christmas Eve was on a Saturday, severely hampering weekend grosses. You would also know that 40% is around the low end of what most other movies dropped this weekend that didn't expand. You would also know that when most movies get this direct of competition, they tend to drop which more than this. And finally, you would know that 40% is an incredibly standard drop. The fact Moana held this well with a Christmas eve Saturday against the most direct competition you can get is frankly astounding.

I was just in the theater to go see Sing, and when people found out it was sold out, there were tons spilling over to the next Moana. This could help Moana a ton this week. (I ended up getting a later showing of La La Land, which I would much rather see anyways).

[–] Zaphenzo 8 years ago

No, you really don't. If you did, you would know that Christmas Eve was on a Saturday, severely hampering weekend grosses. You would also know that 40% is around the low end of what most other movies dropped this weekend that didn't expand. You would also know that when most movies get this direct of competition, they tend to drop which more than this. And finally, you would know that 40% is an incredibly standard drop. The fact Moana held this well with a Christmas eve Saturday against the most direct competition you can get is frankly astounding.

To back this up, the other movies released at the same time as Moana, and their Christmas weekend drops:

Bad Santa 2: -89.4%
Allied: -87.8%
Rules Don't Apply: -86.3%

And other movies released after Moana also didn't hold up as well as Moana did:

Incarnate: -94.1%
Office Christmas Party: -40.4%
Rogue One: -58.5%
Collateral Beauty: -39.8%

So, of the movies that opened at the same time or later than Moana that are in at least their second weekend, only 2 had a comparable drop to Moana, one of which is a Christmas movie, and both of which have a lower entire run WW gross that is less than Moana's 5-day opening. So, yeah. Moana is doing just fine in the Christmas weekend, and is continuing to outpace Sing, as Sing in an extended 6-day weekend didn't make what Moana did in its 5-day.

[–] Syrngfsse2 8 years ago

The weeks prior though moana was already underperforming.

[–] QueenFanUSA 8 years ago

The weeks prior though moana was already underperforming.

Bingo!

[–] Hold_the_door 8 years ago

No? No.

[–] Syrngfsse2 8 years ago

Then how come it not only opened lower than frozen but holding poorly as well?

[–] Zaphenzo 8 years ago

Then how come it not only opened lower than frozen but holding poorly as well?

Gasp! It opened lower than Frozen?!?!?! That must mean it's terrible! Oh, wait, so did almost every other animated film ever...so, congrats. Moron. And holding poorly? Really? What jacked up nonexistent numbers are you going by? The ones you got from the "Disney exec", aka your dog? Because it's gotten over $4.4M every day this week.

[–] troyplafond 8 years ago

If Frozen is your bar for success, basically every movie ever will be a flop.